Discussion in 'Strings' started by Up&comer, Sep 23, 2011.
I'm pretty sure you're going to love it as well.
Something about it just works well on everything.
And just out of my own curiosity, I'm thinking of trying out sp Hyperion, because it sounds like sppp 2.0.
Can anyone compare the two?
Going from B5E to Hyperion will likely be a disappointment. Not sure about SPPP.
Don't knock it till you try it.
But it probably will be. I just want to know a good smooth poly other than scorpion and sppp.
Sweet review UC! You and Mikeler have really nudged me in the B5E direction. My strings haven't come in yet I can't wait to string em up and get on the court
I did try Hyperion as a main string with MCS. It was too stiff for me, so I had to cut it out. It was just a "blah" setup.
Alright. I'll take that one off the list.
A few of my central Florida folks seem to like Big Ace Micro. Have you tried that out yet? I've only tried regular Big Ace.
Nope. I haven't. A thin gauge string generally doesn't go well with me. (durability issues)
Big Ace 16 went about 20 hours for me before it would snap. It was a decent smooth poly. A little stiff but not too bad.
I dunno. Maybe the thin gauge would work well as a cross for gut.
Thanks, I'll try it
Thanks Mike. Sounds interesting, I'll have to try it. Haven't seen that brand around here. Just out of curiousity, what tension do you string around? 53/55 sounds safe, ever tried lower?
Amazingly, the b5e/gut combo is playing even better. After it softens up, it gains a little power and some spin. It's taken the cake as far as I'm concerned in the race for GOAT setup.
Now you have to try Scorpion mains to be fair to it. :-D
What's the demo priority list looking like now?
I'm going to do full pacific tough gut and then classic/silverstring.
Sweet, sounds like a good lineup.
Would Scorp/gut be worth trying for you? I mean, it probably wouldn't be as good as B5E/gut, but one never knows...
I'll think about. It's not likely any time soon though.
Yeah, I don't blame you. Just wondering what you thought.
52/56 in my PK 7Gs.
I'd like to say something about my two favorite setups.
With the gut mains/b5e crosses, I definitely get more spin and power. I can hit crazy spin and power, but control is sometimes lacking.
However, with the b5e mains and gut crosses, I get way more control. I don't get as much spin, or power, but I feel like I can hit all my spots with a minimum amount of unforced errors.
U&C.....what NRTP rating would you say you are?
I've got 2 packages of pacific classic gut coming, and 1 package each of the B5E and the MSV Co-Focus. I figured what I would do is first string up two racquets, one with each poly as a cross and the gut in the mains, then after giving those a healthy demo, switch it around and do the polys in the mains and the gut in the crosses. If I do it that way I can compare one poly versus the other pretty effectively.
But I could also string one stick up with gut mains/poly crosses then the other stick with poly mains/gut crosses, keeping the poly the same in both, and compare that way. Still chewing on that one and which will give me the best basis for comparison.
I'd strongly recommend you trying a poly-poly hybrid of B5E/BHBR in your preferred gauges, possibly 17 and 16 (since BHBR runs thin for its gauge).
B5E provides low power, 'bite' and predominately forward spin, and the BHBR evens it out with its power, elasticity and feel yet doesn't take away anything from the stringbed terms of spin (as gut does when used in the crosses).
Seriously, give it a go. I'd love to hear your thoughts because that's going to be one of the next setups I try, along with a B5E/Scorpion poly-poly hybrid.
I'm still a junior, so I'm not really sure.
I would say maybe 5.5? I can compete and occasionally beat blue chips, so.
I'd say do the gut mains poly crosses to compare them first. Have both with the same kind of string setup.
*sigh* I've said it several times and I'll say it again. I have NEVER found a poly poly hybrid to be greater than the sum of it's parts.
And truthfully, last time I used full poly switching from gut mains, I got a little twinge in my elbow, so I need to stay away from full poly for a while.
That's what I'd advise as well.
I'm kind of glad my elbow can only handle certain setups. Otherwise I'd have to test strings until the end of time.
Yeah, I needed something to slow me down.
1. That's because to date, you haven't tried my suggestion! And don't *sigh* because not everyone has time to trawl through every one of posts to know what you've said time and time again.
2. Aren't you 21/22? How can you have tennis elbow?
1) I've tried several. Never really worked.
2) I'm 16, and I've always had elbow issues and my family has a history of arm issues. They just come and go for some reason.
1. Depends what you want. Performance or comfort. You seem to prefer comfort.
2. A genetic disposition to TE? That's stretching it. Try doing some strenghting and stretching exercises.
1) not necessarily. I like playability without full poly.
2) That's not really stretching it. It's perfectly possible to have a disposition to tennis elbow.
I do plenty of stretching and I'm plenty strong. I just get twinges when I play with too much poly.
I have arm issues because I played with poly when I shouldn't have back when I was younger.
if the dude doesn't want to play with full poly, let it be. Geez, what, do you get commission for every set of poly sold or something?
re tennis elbow, I would be very surprised for any genetic predisposition to tennis elbow. There are, however, absolutely postural predispositions to it. If the thoracic (mid to upper) back is rounded forward, that will restrict the ability of the scapula to glide properly, which means the rotator cuff and the elbow will get much more friction than they would normally get were the scapula able to move as designed. Or if the humerus, the upper arm bone, is internally rotated (as it is with many high level tennis players who spend a lot of time on their craft without enough counterbalancing movement), then that will do it as well.
You're 16 - which I didn't realize - and therefore just a kid. In which case, I wouldn't recommend poly for you - your body's still developing and you're not going to have fully developed tendon and stabalizing muscle strength. Coupled with gripping the racquet too hard or taking too big a crack at the ball, and its an accident waiting to happen. Best stick to gut or nylon.
Seriously, you include nylon among your recommendations to U&C?
Cheap string test insues?
I'm sorry, what? I don't have a problem with people playing with nylon, but to recommend them to a 5.5...
I was just joking. I've only hit with nylon once, and I would never go back to it.
Haha, sorry...I kinda missed the tone...
I just hit with full pacific tough gut. I'll write a review when I get near a computer.
Pacific Tough Gut full bed. Strung at 56 all around.
Stringing- Not really bad. Its stiffer than most guts, so it was a little harder to weave, but no issues.
Groundstrokes- First I want to remind you that gut is compared to gut, poly is compared to poly, etc. If I say good spin, I mean good spin for whatever kind of string I'm talking about. If I say its durable and I'm talking about gut, then it means it's a durable gut.
Without further ado...
They were really nice. Plenty of spin, low power for a gut, and a nice firm gut feel. It's not the kind of thing I would recommend for people with arm problems, but it's still really nice. Plenty of pop, placement was nice, and ample spin to control it. It was like X-one in that there was plenty of controled power, but it never lost tension and played well throughout.
Volleys- Surprisingly good. I expected this string to be lacking in this area because it is a stiffer gut, but it performed very well. My favorite nets shots were overheads and volleys that I really knifed. I could keep the ball super low and have it skid through.
Serves- This is where the strings lacked a little pop compared to other guts. It still was great for flat serves and slice serves, but kicks tended to land a little short in the box and sit up into my opponent's strike zone. Not bad, but not great.
Durability- They were good for a full gut setup. They lasted me about 4.5 hours, whereas most guts last me around 3-3.5. It held tension well, and played very consitent throughout.
Softness- 1 being the softest, 10 being the stiffest.
This actually performed better than I thought it would. I expected a durable but not very good playing string, but this string played really well. I still like pacific classic because it is a little softer and the price is better for me, but I would recommend this to a string breaker who loves gut.
On a side note, the person who asked for this test asked for a comparison to pacific classic. To answer that question, tough gut is stiffer, more spin friendly, lower powered, and more durable. Classic is softer, more powerful, and less durable.
Next up is Pacific Classic/WeissCANNON Silverstring.
I've got some openings coming up so first to give me a suggestion I can get my hands on will get it.
Great test of Tough Gut. Looking forward to this next one.
Here's a bit of a stretch:
Mamba Premium Natural Gut: $14.99
Mamba Black Spin: $5.99
Mamba Black Spin is their version of B5E. For $20 you can try it both ways (gut/poly, poly/gut). I'm gonna put in an order for this soon.
U&C....thanks for that review of Tough Gut. Very interesting.
I'd love to see you demo a hybrid of Classic Gut with MSV Co-Focus, and compare it to the same hybrid with B5E.
Sure thing. I actually ordered some co cofocus a couple days ago and should be here tomorrow. Ill do that.
My shipment of Pacific Gut Classic along with B5E and Co-Focus arrives tomorrow, but probably won't be able to string any of it up until this weekend. Just one of those weeks. Can't wait to try 'em out, though.
Any chance you'll try the "mikeler" setup with B5E mains and Genesis Thunder Blast crosses? It would be interesting to hear how well it stacks up against gut crosses. While I don't think it will be quite that good, I have a feeling for the price it is probably close enough.
It's possible. It sounds interesting as you described it as what you thought gut will feel like.
Sure. I'll order some
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