A couple string tests

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  1. mikeler

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    I've got limited full gut experience and zero hybrid gut experience so I'm definitely curious.
     
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    Thanks for the review of tough gut.
     
  3. Boricua

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    Try lowering tension, maybe 43 or 45. This could give you better feel with this string in a full bed.
     
  4. Up&comer

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    Ttruthfully, that's a terrible idea. I don't need any more power at all. And the feel just isn't as good as other guts.

    Edit: thought you were talking about tough gut. Sorry.
     
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  5. Boricua

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    Im not an expert with B5E at low tension, 43-45, I am stringing at 48 this time. But, according to an experienced stringer, stringing B5E in low to mid 40s string tension wont add that much power, it will make the stringbed less stiff, more plush. Control will still be there.
     
  6. Up&comer

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    Truthfully, it's fine the way it is. I like how it plays and I'm not that interested in trying it out again. I'm pretty happy with my current hybrid although I will still test stuff out.
     
  7. Up&comer

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    Just finished with the gut silverstring combo. I will say it was pretty great.
     
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    i know that people can really go through strings especially at such a high level of play.

    to see you test as much as you do (and others) is just...wow.

    thanks! keep it coming!
     
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    Glad you liked it. :) Excited about review. Interested how it compares to SPPP and Scorp.
     
  10. Boricua

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    I would suggest you try Tecnifibre XR1, a multifilament that is an upgrade of Multifeel. I used this string yesterday in a Babolat APD GT and found great comfort, control and spin.
     
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    While I have used neither of the above, Technifibre tends to miss the mark when "upgrading" their strings. See X-1 vs. NRG2 and TGV vs. 515.
     
  12. Boricua

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    "XR1 builds upon Tecnifibre Multi-Feel with even better feel and additional comfort. The rectangular monofilament core provides improved tension maintenance over Multi-Feel. XR1 provides a soft feel from the 1,125 multifilaments, compared with Multi-Feel's 985 composite multifilaments. String also features a silicone coating for increased durability."

    The above is TWs description of XR1 and how it compares with Multifeel. Softer feel, more tension maintenance and durability, allegedly.lol

    In any case, it felt nice in my APD GT. Lets see about durability in order to justify 12 bucks per set...
     
  13. Up&comer

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    And so we go.

    Pacific classic/WeissCANNON silverstring 56/53

    Stringing- the easiest gut mains setup I've strung. No friction burn and the silverstring is easy to weave.

    Groundstrokes- really solid. They didn't blow me away, but I was pleasantly surprised by the amount of control I got. Not as much spin as other gut mains setups, but plenty of power and control.
    Overall- 8.5/10

    Serves- really good. They weren't quite as good as the black5edge variation, but it did have more power. Kicks were good, flats and slices were awesome.
    Overall- 9/10

    Volleys- my favorite part of this setup. Actually, it's my favorite string setup for volleys period. Phenomenal touch, great power, and it was easy to hit aggressive volleys deep and short.
    Overall- 10/10

    Durability- not sure yet, but I'm guessing pretty good for a gut poly hybrid.
    Overall- 7/10

    Softness- 1 being the softest, 10 being the stiffest
    Overall- 2.5/10

    This would be a great setup if you like to attack net. For me, it doesn't have quite enough from the baseline, and it didn't have quite the spin I wanted on kick serves. It's still a top notch setup though.
    Overall- 9/10
     
  14. Up&comer

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    That will be after my next test, pacific classic/MSV co-focus.
     
  15. RyKnocks

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    Hey U&C,

    In you experience so far and from the setups you've tried, what would you say is a good setup for getting that extra umph on the serve while maintaining control on ground strokes. I have an issue where when I string low to get that "something extra" on my serve, my ground strokes lose control and I tend to hit long.

    Any advice on a happy medium?
     
  16. KoaUka

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    How did you like it? I tried this setup at 45lbs in one & 40lbs in the other. Awesome setup with the 45lbs, great power on serves and groundies. Still has great spin and feel. Have to get used to it on volleys, but other than that its great. Gonna try the 40lb setup next.
     
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    Well, I loved gut mains and b5e crosses for just plain power serving, and on groundies, you get loads of spin and power, but control isn't the word I'd use to describe it.

    With b5e mains and gut crosses, I got plenty of control on my groundstrokes, and serves had ample pace, but not like the gut mains.

    Seeing as you use gut mains already, I'd try out b5e or scorpion crosses and see how that goes.

    I might also add that you might want to keep the crosses 2 or 3 pounds lower than the mains, which will give you extra power and spin.

    Hope that helps.

    Edit- something you might want to do seeing as you already string at 52/48 is to try something like 53/50 which will give you a little more control while still keeping the power. I would also say you could try SPPP which is more powerful than the aforementioned strings, but the control isn't as good.
     
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    Pacific Classic/MSV Co-Focus 56/53

    Stringing- First I would like to say this is my favorite looking poly string I've ever seen. It's this nice deep blue that just looks awesome. Its pretty easy to string, no friction burn or anything, and it was pretty easy to weave.

    Groundstrokes- Wow. I'm not sure if I like it or not, but this has the most spin of any setup I've ever used period. Loads of power as well. However, it just feels so out of control unless I really set up well and hit the ball where I want to hit it. In other words, it's great for aggressive play, but when I had to play defensive, it was all over. The power and spin just didn't always stick with each other. Not really sure what to call it exactly.
    Overall- 8/10 (?)

    Serves- I am sure of what to call this. One of the best kick serving setups I've used. The amount of spin and power just help to hit a nasty kicker. Slices are ok, and flat serves are a little out of control.
    Overall- 8.5/10

    Volleys- Again, really powerful and spinny. Which for the most part isn't helpful at the net. When I hit a flat cruch volley, I get a nice response with power, but if I knife it or hit anything like a drop volley, I get the feeling like I have alot of spin in the one direction I don't want it. It just felt like I couldn't hit a regular, solid, offensive volley.
    Overall-7.5/10

    Durability- I'm guessing about as good as any gut mains setup I've used. The cross is so smooth that it doesn't really eat into the gut like alot of other strings.
    Overall- 8/10

    Softness- 1 being the softest, 10 being the stiffest.
    Overall- 3/10

    Really, I just hate the lack of control this setup has. I started out warming up thinking that it was just going to be such a great day for tennis because I felt like whole new angles were just opened up. But once I got into a full practice, playing points, etc... I just lost control. Sure, it has the most spin of any setup I've used, but the total lack of control almost completely negated it. I would think you wouldn't want alot of racket head speed if you use this setup. The power level is super high, higher than basically any setup I've used to date. If you like that, though, this is a great setup for you.
    Overall- 8/10
     
  19. RyKnocks

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    This is EXACTLY my experience with this setup so far. Lots of power and spin, but the lack of control is super irritating.
     
  20. Up&comer

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    When it comes in (2 or 3 days), I will do the Mikeler setup of B5E mains and genesis thunderblast crosses.

    I don't know if I will keep the gut co-focus in for its entire life, so if anyone really wants me to test a string setup I have available, I will do so if you can get it to me by today or tomorrow.

    Any recommendations for a string I can order will be taken as well.

    (A note, it would be preferrable to have a string available through Tennis Warehouse. Unless it has gotten great reviews, my parents are hesitant to let me use the credit card for any other websites. Thanks)
     
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    I'm pretty sure you are the one I talked to about getting more power while keeping the control.

    I understand what you mean. I would actively suggest you try out WeissCANNON Scorpion or Black5Edge as a cross. They both perform really well, the latter having more spin and the former having slightly more control.
     
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    Just to answer your question, the silverstring had more control and more spin than SPPP, and was better at the net than scorpion, but scorpion out performed both in every other catagory.
     
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    Agreed, although I haven't tried out a new multi in a full bed yet.
     
  24. Posture Guy

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    U&C...thanks for doing that setup, very interesting and I appreciate your report back.
     
  25. RyKnocks

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    Yep, I was the one. I'm definitely looking at B5E as my next cross string, but damn, these gut/poly setups are getting expensive to experiment with. I'm debating between pacific/b5e or just going with a full bed of RIP Control and work on my technique and not worry so much about string setups.

    Have you played with RIP Control before? If not, maybe it'll be a good string to add to your tests. Pretty cheap at $7 a set and seems to garner a love/hate relationship on these boards.
     
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    ^^ I actually have some. Ill do that while I'm waiting for the thunderblast.
     
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    Tecnifibre XR1
     
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    Alright, I'll order some. It's supposed to be multifeel upgraded, right?
     
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    "XR1 builds upon Tecnifibre Multi-Feel with even better feel and additional comfort. The rectangular monofilament core provides improved tension maintenance over Multi-Feel. XR1 provides a soft feel from the 1,125 multifilaments, compared with Multi-Feel's 985 composite multifilaments. String also features a silicone coating for increased durability."

    The above is TWs description of XR1 and how it compares with Multifeel. Softer feel, more tension maintenance and durability, allegedly.lol
     
  30. Posture Guy

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    major thanks to U&C. Thanks to this thread, I strung up one of my Volkl V1 Classic MPs with Pacific Gut Classic mains and B5E crosses (60/56).

    Love it. Great feel, great sound, terrific touch and control, but power when I want it, plenty of spin. Slice backhands stayed low and penetrating. Could flick topspin forehands crosscourt at some sick angles, or drive it flatter and deep. Volleys great. Serves were very good, not tremendous power, but sufficient.

    Of course I'll probably keep looking at other stuff, but at this point I plan to always keep one stick strung with this beautiful combination unless/until I find something I like better.

    May just experiment with a full bed of Pacific Classic and see how that feels.
     
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    Glad you like it. :)
     
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    One question: if I were to string up a full bed of Classic, how would that differ from the B5E hybrid?

    I'm guessing it would have a bit more power, a bit less control and a bit less spin, and would possibly have a bit more touch and would feel softer? Would probably have better tension maintenance, too.

    Regarding touch, though, I was VERY impressed with the touch of this setup. I hit a couple of drop shots that were just pitch perfect. Had no problem with this setup executing those kinds of shots.

    and another question: what multi would come closest to replicating the playability of this setup (Classic/B5E)?
     
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    Used APD GT with XR1 last night. I think it feels a bit like Excel premium but its less expensive. I liked the soft cushioned feel but felt strange as I am used to full copoly or hybrid setups. Will use it for some time and compare with other setups in the other APDs.
     
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    There would be less spin, less control, more power, more feel and it would be softer.

    It would definitely have better tension maintenance.

    No multi will really work as well as gut. You could maybe try xcel premium, but for that price you might as well pay an extra couple dollars for gut.
     
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    Yeah, that's kind of the conclusion I'm coming to. Would love to find a multi I liked as much or almost as much as this setup, primarily because I don't string much (just for myself, so maybe 2-3 jobs a month) and as a relatively inexperienced stringer, stringing poly is a pain in the butt. I just have trouble weaving the crosses, and then when I tie off the last cross there is barely any room between the grommet and the clamp. No big deal with a multi, but with a stiffer poly it's proven to be a bit of a challenge for me.

    I'll get it. The playability is worth it.
     
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    another question. I saw your review of switching this around and using B5E in the mains and Classic gut in the crosses and you seemed to like it even better than the reverse. I'm assuming that if I tried that, compared to gut in the mains that I'd have a bit less power and more spin and control, and a firmer feel.

    true? may just try that. And it would be probably easier for me to string than using the poly in the crosses.

    Man, it just felt SO good last night hitting with this setup. Loved the sound coming off the stringbed, and there just wasn't anything I didn't like about the setup.
     
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    I wouldn't say more spin. Definitely more control, lower power, and a firmer stringbed.
     
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    this has also got me wondering how a tough gut/B5E combo would work compared to Classic/B5E. May try that one, too.
     
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    I would guess about the same, except stiffer and maybe a little lower powered.
     
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    I just hit with rip control per request. I will review it later.

    The thunder blast comes Monday, so I'll have the test done by Tuesday or so.
     
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    Finally someone else can experience the magic. :)
     
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    I already did with the gut crosses.
     
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    I still have room for one more string test so if anyone has a recommendation, let me know.

    And mixedmedia, give people a chance for once.
     
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    No problemo.
     
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    Haha, all mine have been good, haven't they? :)

    But yeah, I was planning to.
     
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    Just had an idea.

    Seeing as b5e mains and gut crosses takes the cake, I was thinking of trying out tour bite mains and gut crosses.

    I'll do that today and then the mikeler setup Monday or tuesday.
     
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    Great idea.
     
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    Looking forward to a comparison of the two.
     
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    Head rip control full bed at 56

    Stringing- annoying. The shape of the string makes it tough to weave. Also had to worry about wearing out the string before I even played with it.

    Groundstrokes- really good. Lots of spin and low power, and it was pretty soft to par. My problem was that it gets a little unpredictable. Sometimes it just launches the ball and sometimes I didn't get any power.
    Overall- 8/10

    Serves- Average. Kicks were good, but flat serves were lacking.
    Overall-7.5/10

    Volleys- oddly good. I exprected the low power and extra spin to cause it to be a bad setup for volleying, but it didn't turn out that way. I was killing my volleys yesterday. I felt so confident up there that I resorted back to my old trusty serve and volley.
    Overall- 9.5/10

    Durability- probably going to be pretty good for a multi.
    Overall- 8/10

    Softness- 1 being the softest, 10 being the stiffest
    Overall- 3/10

    This string actually surprised my from all areas of the court. It by no means has poly spin, but it thoroughly impressed me from both the baseline (except for the unpredictability) and the net.
    Overall- 8/10
     
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    I've got a three hour training session today (uggggh :( ) at 3, so I will test out the tour bite mains and gut crosses then.

    1 hour of sprints and fitness, then two straight hours of hitting.
     

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