Discussion in 'Strings' started by Up&comer, Sep 23, 2011.
Alright, go ahead mixedmedia.
Oh, and I will be testing out thunderblast in a full bed.
Okay. You never tried gut/Storm Metal did you? I'm about to try it too. PV has already, but MambaT suggested he tried it too low. Just go with the tension you've been doing for the other gut/polys probably, if you decided to try it.
Ooh, really looking forward to this too.
Th Wilson string came today. It looks like a tan bhbr without as pronounced edges. It feels slightly more limp in hand as well. Ill do it first before the thunderblast stuff because I am under obligation. Sorry mikeler.
And just as I suspected, it strung up almost identically to bhbr, and going on that, I bumped the tension up to 53/51 to compensate what I expect to be extra springiness.
Not making assumptions, but I would guess it's going to be alot like bhbr.
What's the name of the wilson string?
It came in a clear plastic bag. No name, markings, anything.
Just finished hitting with the experimental string.
Unknown Wilson Prototype Geared 53/51
Stringing- an absolute pain. It was every bit as bad as bhbr except it wasn't quite as easy to weave.
Groundstrokes- This was were the strangeness started. So I warmed up with my regular B5E gut combo, and picked up the other racket with the Wilson string in it. After 2 minutes, I actually said out loud, "this is terrible". It was akin to hitting with full synthetic gut. Then the more I played with it, and the faster my racket head speed got, the better it played. It's like a low powered bhbr. Not quite as low powered as bhsr, but still more controlled than bhbr.
Serves- really good. They had that power, but I could still hit a nasty kick with it. Placement was average, and sometimes slice serves sat up.
Volleys- lacking. They didn't have the linear response most polys do. I felt like I couldn't put enough pace on it or hit a drop volley.
Durability- probably physically pretty good. Doesn't look like it will die exceptionally fast.
Softeness- 1 being the softest, 10 being the stiffest.
This string was pretty good. I mean, it wasn't exceptional, but it did well from all areas of the court except for the net. I would describe it as a happy medium between bhbr and bhsr.
Next is the mikeler setup then full thunder blast. I also need to do my review if tour bite/gut, which is a contender for best setup ever.
Free strings from TW always get priority. Don't want to be excluded from future string tests.
Just got done demoing Classic Gut mains with MSV Co-Focus crosses. Very interesting. I was almost going to skip trying it based on U&C's input, but I figured I'm nowhere near at his level (I'm a reasonably solid 4.5) so what the heck, let's give it a go. I loved the Classic/B5E combo but thought I'd try this one.
Loved it. Definitely has a bit more power than with B5E in the crosses, but I think it's a nice complement to my racquet (a Volkl V1 Classic MP) and my game. I was able to generate good control, groundies penetrated deeply, could get great topspin on either side and my backhand slices stayed low and biting. Definitely a bit more pop on serves than the B5E, and still had great touch.
This was a ladder match so I didn't want to switch back and forth between sticks. Have a more informal hitting session on Thursday, will alternate there to get a better feel.
many thanks to U&C for this thread, it's given me some great ideas for different string setups to play with.
one of my next ones will be Pacific Tough Gut in a full bed, but right now, I'm pretty darn happy with these two hybrid setups.
B5e thunderblast today then full thunderblast after that.
Nice. Everybody's looking forward to it!
U&C....how would you compare Classic Mains/B5E crosses to Classic Mains/SPPP crosses? You reviewed both, but the SPPP review predated the B5E review, curious how you'd compare them in retrospect.
and is B5E mains and Classic crosses now your favorite to date?
B5e does everything better except in the power department. Sppp had a little extra power.
I haven't done my review yet, but solinco tour bite mains and gut crosses might be just a little better than the b5e.
Solinco Tour Bite/Pacific Classic 53/55
Stringing- Tour bite is a real pain in a full bed, and it isn't much better as a hybrd. I had to be really careful with the gut.
Groundstrokes- Great. You know that control I was talking about with the black5edge gut combo? That's what this is, but I feel like I can hit the ball with as much power or as much spin as I need, and I don't feel like I'm going to miss. It defnitely dethrones the aforementioned setup from the ground.
Serves- Not as good as the b5e gut combo. It could still hit good, well placed serves, but I didn't have quite the easy power I like on serves.
Volleys- Here is where this string shows its weakness. It's not bad by any means, but it isn't nearly as good as it is from other parts of the courts. One thing that was on with this setup, though, was overheads. I was probably just having a good day though.
Durability- Again, it's going to be sub par. The tour bite just eats right through the gut. Probably won't make it to the 10 hour mark. It broke the first time at around 9.
Softness- 1 being the softest, 10 being the stiffest.
Overall, this setup is the best from the ground of any setup I have ever used. You will give up some at net and on serves, but if you are a baseliner, this is the setup for you.
and I can see for you where at your level poly mains and gut crosses could give you that extra control that benefits you more than me at a 4.5 level. I don't mind a little power, but it's gotta be well controlled power.
last night playing with the Co-Focus in the crosses, I was getting really good spin and more power than with B5E, but unlike for you, for me it was well controlled. I'm in the process of changing my forehand, going from the continental grip I used for decades to a strong Eastern grip with more of a laid back wrist through impact. On one point my opponent finally gave me some pace on a forehand and I just let it rip and probably hit the hardest forehand I've ever hit in my life. Heavy topspin, but I drove the ball so hard it never got more than about a foot over the net, dove down and just exploded past the dude. I just watched and thought "dang, I've never done that before." The string felt really nice. Hope I continue to like it better than B5E, reels of Co-Focus are pretty cheap.
Next is the mikeler setup, then full thunderblast.
Im open to suggestions after that.
Based on your review, as an all courter who wants to get to the net as often as possible, sounds like B5E is going to be a better choice for someone like me.
Mamba premium gut (full job). Since you used Pacific tough gut and Classic, I will like to know what you think.
I'll do intellitour. I can't get stuff from other places other than tennis warehouse right now.
How long are you testing these strings for? You seem to come up with a new review every couple of days. With TourBite for example, you say its a 10/10 on groundstrokes ie the best you could possibly ever get, but is that 10/10 for a first couple of hours, or 10/10 after the 10th, 14th, 16th hour? No poly is going maintain the same level of performance as when first strung.
Pacific Polygut is a good stringbed to test
Well, I play 3-4 hours a day. I keep full poly in for no more than 8 hours because my arm is sensitive to dead strings.
I break gut mains in around 6-7 hours and I break gut crosses in 10/12 hours.
And sure, they decline in playability. But with me I don't really have to worry about having poly in for more than 8-10 hours.
Sorry I keep ignorantly insisting on Storm Metal...
That's 21-28 hours each week.
Don't you have to go to school or do school work?
And poly/gut restrings three times each week? Your parents must be very wealthy.
Three of my classes are online. Finish my school work by around 11 every day.
Yes, my parents are relatively wealthy, but I pay for most of my strings. I string for alot of juniors around me to compensate for the cost of strings.
Wonder if the Gut-SPPP tested was the SPPP orange version or the white one (Pure)? I suppose it was the orange version.
Gut -Silvestring could be interesting.
Signum pro poly plasma pure is the white one.
hit again with the Classic/MSV Co-Focus last night, then switched with the B5E hybrid.
I DEFINITELY like the MSV Co-Focus setup better. For me and my strokes, my power and more spin, but it's very well controlled. After hitting with the MSV, the B5E almost felt dead. My opponent knew what I was testing and said the shots with the MSV were much heavier, more pace, spin and depth, and thought my placement was more precise.
Gonna compare it to a full bed of Tough Gut next.
Interesting that U&C felt such a lack of control with this setup. Perhaps at the higher swing speeds of a young 5.5 it becomes a little wild compared to the swing speeds of a 50 year old 4.5. Also just love the feel and sound of it, makes a nice pop of the stringbed.
Yep, when I slowed my swing speed down, I got more benefit because the racket did the work for me.
I like to be able to swing out on my shots though.
I wonder how RPM Blast combined wirth Pacific Classic gut would do.
Also Technifibre strings, for example, the new Ruff Code combined with Pacific Classic Gut.
I would reccomend to test Polyfibre TCS as a cross with gut, as far as it is the sodtest co-poly, and Polystart Energy as one of the powerful co-poly. If you did try SPPP pure as a cross then I recommend SPPP (orange color), it is definetely better in hybrids to my taste
It says on the review page it was signum pro poly plasma.
U&C.....I like to hit out, too. But I suspect that my version of 'hitting out' is a bit different than yours. I'm in pretty good shape for a 50 year old guy but I'm just not gonna generate the same racquet head speed that you do.
thanks again for this thread, I've learned a lot.
Haha. Very much so. When I say swing out,, I mean like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QN3kLczPkjY
No it isn't me, but I used to hit with him before he went down to Florida.
U&C...there's a list of videos there, none of them anyone hitting.
but I can imagine. My goal is to get to the 5.0 level by next summer and I have a chance to do that, but realistically speaking, that's probably pretty close to the upper limit of my potential. Which means if I'm fortunate enough to get there, you still kick my butt unless you are having a day where you combine a bad case of the flu with severe hamstring cramps.
then I think I'll have a chance.
I meant this one. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QN3kLczPkjY
I'm not quite that level, but I can play with the likes of him.
yeah, he gets terrific racquethead acceleration through contact.
I'm not close to that. and I would imagine that swing speed makes a huge impact in how these strings play. Probably explains why many of us find Co-Focus to be a terrific combination of power, spin and control while you find it to be uncontrollable.
I was able to hit out with it, but when I needed to play defense with it, it performed beautifully. I was playing a very hard hitter last night who stays at the baseline and slugs away. When they hit a deep shot to the corner that I could barely get to, I'd hit a high floater back to the middle to buy me recovery time and try to cut off angles and I was putting it within a few feet of the center baseline mark every time, consistently.
Glad I could help you find a setup you really like.
B5e mains/genesis thunderblast crosses 53/55
Stringing- pretty easy. The thunderblast was a little stiffer than most multis while stringing, which made everything a little easier, but I had to be careful to not wear away the textured coating.
Groundstrokes- not sure how to say this. It wasn't quite gut, but it had alot of similarities to it. It was noticeably stiffer than gut, and the sweet spot wasn't near as large, but I still got that great control I love when I hit the ball centered. It had a nice controlled power with ample spin. Again, not quite gut, but better than addiction.
It isn't by any means stiff. It's softer than addiction, but it isn't gut.
Serves- this is where the lower power of this setup impeded it's progress in replacing gut. I still could hit all the serves and places I wanted, but I didn't have that little bit of extra pop and spin.
Volleys- I repeat myself. Just stiffer and a smaller sweetspot with lower power. The low power is something I actually like on volleys, and I also like a little bit of a stiffer string bed. I don't mean poly, but I don't like the feel of something like maxim touch at net. This setup performed excellently at net. I could crunch volleys and overheads, as well as knife a volley or drop one just over the net. It also has this feel to hit when you hit the center that just feels ever so slightly different than other hybrids. I'm not sure how to describe it, but it has a cupping feeling that you generally feel with low tension poly.
Durability- the coating on the thunderblast is already wearing off, but it looks like it will last a decent amount of time. I'll change it if it doesn't.
Softness- 1 being the softest, 10 bring the stiffest
Overall- this setup is really good. I'm not going to say it's absolutely magical, but it performs well from all areas, except net, where it is probably my favorite setup for some reason.
^^^ This setup is money on volleys for me, so I'm glad to see that you felt the same way. One opponent recently commented to me that he felt like if I was at net, he better get the ball somewhere that I cannot hit it otherwise the point was over.
The black coating wears off quickly but it does not effect the durability much. It looks like you were disappointed enough with lack of power to give the string a matching score to the serve score. Perhaps dropping the tension another 2 or 3 pounds would help some.
My fear with gut is that I really like low powered setups, but I do plan on trying B5E with pvaudio's favorite gut in about 2 months when the cool weather sticks around for a few months. I'll wait until after my year end club tournament before experimenting with strings again.
I might try it strung a little lower after this breaks and I do the full thunderblast.
I'm assuming you have an extra half set of TB laying around that is why I mentioned it. I really don't want to try gut with B5E because I tend to agree with you on almost every string test and that setup will just cost me more. Dang you U&C!
It is weird how TB does have close to a gut like feel but without the same softness. Looking forward to hearing how it plays as a full bed. I'm guessing it will be one of those strings like Babolat Nvy that wows as a cross but is bland in a full job but we shall see.
Haha. I'm guessing its going to be like a slightly softer addiction.
ah cmon, do it! You know you want to.
Gut is just not practical for me as I always leave my rackets in the trunk here in Florida. Breaking myself out of a multi-year habit is not easy. Carrying a huge tennis bag into and out of my office is cumbersome as well.
Bah. Tennis bags are sooo unnecessary. I never use one. I have two rackets held together with a towel at the throat and a blue Gatorade. All I need.
man, I couldn't function without a good tennis bag. Might work for a high school kid, doesn't work for me.
I gotta have my tennis shoes and clothes in it so I can change at work, some used balls, some new balls, wrist bands, the powder for my on-court drink mix, my cooler that I'll fill with water before I leave my office, extra overgrips, and some bandaids.
Got the new Pacific Basalt bag. It rocks.
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