A friend of mine claims that Serena could challenge the ATP top 20

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  1. Serena could beat top 20 players

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  2. Serena could beat players ranked 250 or lower

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  3. Serena wouldn't defeat any pros with an ATP point

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  4. Serena won't beat decent college players

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  1. tennis_pro

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    He says that the best version of Serena, the 2012 Olympics Serena to be more precise, can beat (not hang with, BEAT) a top 20 male player. I supported my arguements with tons of examples (Davenport's husband, Evert, the battle of sexes, Braasch etc.) but to no avail.

    So what do you think, people?
     
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  2. LeeD

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    He's right. She could challenge any of the top 20.
    But HER challenge would be getting a response at all.
    And of course, assuming a top 200 ATP is interested at all, her challenge would be to get 3 games each set.
     
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    She could probably beat Federer.
     
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  4. NadalDramaQueen

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    You should make new friends.

    I know she could beat Rafa, by default, of course. Perhaps Rafa would edge her out in a poker game, though.
     
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  5. The Bawss

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    A medium to low top-20 guy like Nishikori recently managed to bagel Raonic. What do you think he would do to Serena's WTA serve?

    Lucky-to-be-in-the-top20 guys like Simon or Kohlschreiber have beaten all time greats Federer and Nadal respectively. If these guys have the weapons to beat those guys, they can beat Serena 6-0 6-1 while humming the Yankee doodle and solving a Rubik's cube.
     
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  6. dominikk1985

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    Just google "Karsten Braasch"

    /end of thread
     
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  7. 90's Clay

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    Umm didn't she get destroyed by a guy ranked 600 or something in the world?
     
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  8. KineticChain

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    Is it that time of the week again? I can't wait for next week's "can Serena beat ATP players?" thread.
     
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  9. tennis_pro

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    You know what he said?

    That Raonic could have the advantage in serve but Serena is better from the baseline.

    Then after watching the Tokyo 2012 final highlights, he said that Serena would return Raonic's serve, just because she could get her racquet on the returns (talking about huge serves but hit into the body)
     
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  10. Mainad

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    I think you need to meet some new friends who know and understand a thing or two about the enormous differences between men's and women's tennis! :cool:
     
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  11. dominikk1985

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    his name was Karsten braasch. he was ranked like 180 then and in his mid 30s. in the first set he beat serena like 6-1 then smoked a cigarette or two and then easily beat venus.
     
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  12. Towser83

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    with her handbag or barefists maybe. :lol:
     
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    At the time of the 1998 Australian Open, Karsten Braasch was ranked 203 in the world. Braasch was in the tournament as a qualifier, and despite his lowly ranking, was defending a Round of 32 result from the 1997 Australian Open. At the 1998 Australian Open, Braasch lost his first round match to Alberto Berasategui, with Berasategui winning 3-6, 6-3, 6-4, 6-3. Later that day, Braasch heard Serena Williams claim that she could beat a top 200 male player, and the men's tour manager asked Braasch to take Serena up on the offer and have a match the following week. Braasch accepted, and spent the morning of the match playing golf and drinking shandies.

    The match took place on Court 17 at Melbourne Park. Braasch raced out to a 5-0 lead against Serena, as Venus then arrived, and Braasch beat Serena 6-1. Braasch had employed a great deal of spin on the balls, which was seldom seen at all on the women's tour at the time. As Braasch and Serena were shaking hands. Venus then got on the court herself and demanded to take on Braasch. Venus had just lost her quarter final match to Lindsay Davenport, with Davenport winning 1-6, 7-5, 6-3. Braasch then beat Venus in a similar fashion to the way he had beaten Serena, although Venus managed an extra game as Braasch won 6-2.

    Afterwards, the sisters claimed that they could beat a top 350 ranked male player, and Braasch offered to face them again after the Australian Open, as Braasch's world ranking would fall to 339. 4 months later at the 1998 French Open, Venus went up to Braasch with a smile and said "You know that thing in Australia? It never happened".

    Of course, it must be mentioned that Venus and Serena were not the top female players at the time, as that was Hingis, but I doubt Braasch would have had too much trouble with Hingis either.
     
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  14. 90's Clay

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    I think thats enough proof to show Serena would have NO hope of even winning a set vs any of the top 250 in the world today much less "challenging" the top 20
     
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    That was the first thing I told him but he responded that Serena wasn't as good as she became later on (which is true but to a degree as Braasch also owned Venus who was in the top 5 at the time, so not sure it would make a difference).

    As he's sort of immune to facts and rational arguements, I'd rather hear your opinion, Mustard, since I know you're a rational poster. What do you think?
     
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  16. PrinceMoron

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    The spin always does it.
     
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  17. Mustard

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    Serena beating the top 20 male players today? No chance at all, unless there's a retirement. If you go down the rankings a few hundred places, you will get male players who are very inexperienced with cameras and public pressure and all that stuff. Braasch did mention that he was glad the match(es) were on Court 17, rather than on the main courts with a load of cameras, as that would have increased the pressure on Braasch, even though Braasch had been ranked as high as 38 in the world at one stage. But with the top 20 male players, they are all very experienced with that sort of stuff with the cameras and public pressure.
     
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  18. Steve0904

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    I'm pretty sure Mustard just told you.
     
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  19. TheNatural

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    Her hitting partner can beat her, what ranking is her hitting partner?
     
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  20. dominikk1985

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    I don't even think that serena right now can beat a 55 yo Mcenroe.
     
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    Assuming she is > 5.0 NTRP, she can beat McEnroe.
     
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  22. Stroke

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    I get the feeling that McEnroe would really like to play her in singles. And I agree, he would win on any surface.
     
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  23. NLBwell

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    Depends on what you mean by "decent" college players - the ones with ATP points or how much lower than that.
     
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  24. NadalAgassi

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    Considering the current Serena would dish out a golden set to the 15 year old rookie Serena that Braash played all that shows is Serena would easily beat someone like Braasch who didnt come even close to doing that to 15 year old diapered Serena. :)
     
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    She could play a guy around 500-700 in the rankings.

    A Top 20?? LOL
     
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    This topic again.... her serve best in WTA history is average serve for atp 100 standards-maybe her placement and ace count is more to atp50, but speed wise -rawpower on serve - more top 100

    Her power-strenght comparing to men-well she won´t overpower tham like at WTA can do

    3rd- most important factor - her speed-movement-deffense - well she is to slow to compete with men, this would be exposed so much

    4th - she has no idea what it mean to face her serve and her power - something that any top 100 men can do + even bigger serves and more powerfull groundstrokes than hers - she would be outpowered, outserverd - not mentioning movement department difference between her and ATP guys.
     
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  27. Amelie Mauresmo

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    The OP should go to You Tube there is a Hopman Cup mixed doubles video of Serena and Mardy Fish defeating Djokovic and Jankovic. Serena had no problem returning Djokovic's serve and she also aced Novak twice.

    I don't know if Serena can beat top 20 men BUT I do believe she is definitely capable of being some men in the top 100.

    Serena's serve is very powerful and she has a lot of variety. Serena also returns huge people don't realize how hard she hits the ball. Out of the all the WTA players Serena has the ability to beat the men.
     
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  28. pvaudio

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    :lol: You stole my quote, tennis_pro
     
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    Huge Serena fan here, but there is no way she is beating a man in the top 500, let alone in the top 20 lol. Men play a different ball game.

    Her A-game would beat any woman in history, that I can agree with.
     
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    a coach I know works with several top juniors. One of them has practiced with her several times, and she has never taken a set off him.

    PS: He doesn't have any atp points.

    >>>>>End Thread<<<<<<
     
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  31. Gizo

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    It's also important to consider that in many women's grand slam events and the WTA tour events, they use lighter tennis balls than in men's slams and ATP tour events. That does put the power statistics of Serena and the other top WTA players in perspective in comparison to those of ATP players.

    Serena's hitting partner Aleksandar Bajin whose career high ranking in men's tennis was world no. 1149, has no trouble beating her. Serena wouldn't have hired him if he couldn't beat her. That's a big advantage that female tennis players have over male ones actually. They can hire male hitting partners who can beat them in a match scenario and out-rally them, allowing them to improve. The best male players don't have that luxury and are forced to hit with each other more.
     
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    Why must we always have this debate? Serena is a great women's player. She would NOT challenge any top male player, period. It's just a way of putting down Serena instead of recognizing how great she is compared to the women's field, people have to bring up how she'd get destroyed by the men.
     
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    Similar story about John Evert & his sister. Obviously she was nowhere near Serena's power, but how many people have ever heard of John?
     
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    O________O
     
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    She couldn't beat any men in the top 300.
     
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  36. swordtennis

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    Had a feeling this insanity would start.
    Always have said let them play the men top ten vs top ten. cowards. neutered men.
    10-0 ATP.
     
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    Way Cool.:)
     
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    Ha! I'm planning on starting another one tomorrow. It's amazing how often these come up, and even more amazing how clueless some people are.
     
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  39. Mick

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    one can look at this in another way, instead of putting Serena down, some people say she is so good that she could be competitive with the male players. But even the people who don't think she could hang with the male players recognize that she's one of the best female tennis players in history. So, there's more upside than downside, imo.
     
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    Djokovic was only serving at half pace, just spinning and kicking it in. If he'd served like Fish , who was blasting them as hard as he could, Serena wouldn't have had the slightest chance. Nole was being a gentleman, don't mistake that for Serena being able to handle his game.

    Simply put, everything she does that makes her game so special against women would be nothing more than routine for, at the very least, the top 200 or 300 men. More than that, I'd say there's a bunch of guys who are long retired from the tour that would handle her game with ease.
     
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    LOL... 630 typical trolling
     
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    The top 20 ATP would serve Serena bagels, then she eats it all.
     
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  44. Agassifan

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    She can beat Nadal if they played today. Otherwise she has no hope of beating a healthy top 100 player.
     
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    And Federer could probably beat Nadal.

    :lol:
     
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    Federer did beat Nadal in Indian Wells, straight sets no less in super windy conditions.
     
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    This is the answer

    Braasch competed in a 'Battle of the Sexes' contest against Venus Williams and Serena Williams at the 1998 Australian Open when he was ranked 203. A decade and a half older than the sisters, Braasch "was a man whose training regime centred around a pack of cigarettes and more than a couple bottles of ice cold lager."[2] He nonetheless handily defeated both sisters, playing a single set against each, beating Serena 6–1 and Venus 6–2.[3] According to his own account of the event, he prepared for the game by playing a leisurely round of golf and drinking a couple of shandies.[4]
    Contents
     
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    At eating Krispy Kreme donuts, no doubt NSK.
     
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  49. jokinla

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    She could probably beat Rosol!!!
     
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