A poly string a bit stiffer than scorpion

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  1. Tmano

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    I really like the string but sometime I feel like it's too soft on my microgel prestige MP strung at 47lbs. I tried tour bite and it's too stiff due to the string pattern 18/20...strung at 47 too.
    II was thinking about babolat pro hurricane but I don't know where to place it as far as stiffness.
    Open to suggestions....

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  2. Tmano

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    any help here:(
     
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    WC silverstring
     
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    Thanks ewberner, I don't know if you tried it but where would you place babolat pro hurricane as far as stiffness?
     
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  6. Backhanded Compliment

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    Silverstring 1.20 in a Prestige MP is a great choice. I prefer it to Hurricane and it lasts a lot longer. Silverstring was easier on the arm and seemed to have better control too
     
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    Why are you not trying a higher tension? That will increase stringbed stiffness.
     
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    I have Hurricane in my top 5 polys of all time simply because it just works. As far as softness goes, I truly think you'd be hard pressed to find a softer poly than hurricane 18. If you want a poly a bit stiffer than Scorpion but with many of its qualities, then yes, Silverstring 1.20 is a nice choice.
     
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    I tried it once at 53 full bed and it was so boardy I had to cut the string...I guess because of the 18-20 string pattern
     
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    Thanks all guys.......

    Backhanded Compliment, do you use silverstring in full bed?

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    I have used it in a full bed before. It played well
     
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    Problem here is that we're talking about a moving feast. There's no way that Scorpion when fresh at 53lbs CP is boardy. That's my tension of choice in a 18/20 6.1 for this string and when fresh it feels perfect to me, neither to soft nor to stiff. But it dies quickly and when it's dead it definitely gets pretty stiff. And low powered. Much more noticeable in a closed pattern rather than a open one where you can play through the issue to a certain extent.

    Silverstring doesn't play line Scorpion in my view.

    Personally if I wanted to stiffen Scorpion, I'd either change the tension or introduce a stiffer cross string.
     
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    The first time I tried Scorpion full bed, I had it at 57 lockout. It was pretty stiff on the Muscle Weave 95. That would convert to 52 constant pull. I hybrided it at 48 CP and it feels about right there, with a Hexy Fiber cross at 51.
     
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    Torres, that's my impression that at 53 is boardy. however it depends on the racquet you play with. i switched to the microgel prestige mp about 9 months ago and it's stiffer than the pure strom gt tour my previous racquet. also I string the racquet with a drop weight machine which I don't know if it makes any difference.
     
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    Strokes and fokes, I guess.

    I used to use Scorpion 17 at 53lbs CP in a leaded YT Prestige MP, which I'm guessing is stiffer than your Microgel. Not a great deal of spin but sensational for control, feedback, and hitting through the court. When fresh I didn't find it boardy - just the right side of 'immediate' response off the stringbed, but then I prefer the immediacy of the response off the stringbed. Any softness goes after the first 2-3 hours after which I found that it stiffens up, becomes lower powered, and loses spin. At 5 hours, it didn't feel nice at all.

    Personally, I think that if you really like Scoprion, you're not really going to replicate its feel unless you retain some element of it in the stringbed. So that is likely to mean either an increase in tension (small differences of 1-2lbs make a difference to how this string feels in a 18x20), or use a (stiffer) Scorpion 16 cross with your 17 mains, or find a stiffer poly cross (though I don't know what that might be).
     
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    I have put a basic 17g poly like duralast or polylon in the crosses with scorpion 17 mains to stiffen it up a little bit. I prefer full bed of scorpion to that.
     
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  17. Tmano

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    could it be that at 53 i find it stiff because I use the 16l gauge 1.22?
     
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  18. Tmano

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    i prefer a full bed too.....plus i'm not good at hybriding strings:)
     
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    Scorpion 1.22 is very tension sensitive. It says so on the package. On my 12.9 oz. 18x20 I wouldn't string it above 50 lb. (drop weight) in a full bed.
     
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    i did not notice that it says that on the package. i guess it explain why i tought it was stiff at 53 lbs. right now i got it strung at 46
     
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    No it doesn't.
     
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    Is that on the same racquet as before? You had your Prestige strung at 47 and you said the Scorpion was too soft. Why 46 now? Why not 49 or 50?
     
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    I could have sworn that I read that on the back of the package. This is from the weisscannonusa website. The bolded part is what I remembered being on the package:

    COMMENTS: The overall solid performance of this string and added power makes it an excellent choice for today's heavy hitters. This string plays solidly as a full poly set-up and also shines brightly in various hybrid applications. The manufacturer recommends installing 8% less than your regular tension, but this is not always necessary. This string plays terrific once the optimal tension is identified, which may require a stringing or two. If strung too tightly the playability and comfort are not realized and the string can be perceived as an ordinary copoly. Finding the correct tension will unlock the potential and the user will reap the benefits of this solid string.

    Maybe they changed the packaging.
     
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  24. pvaudio

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    All poly manufacturers recommend about a 10% decrease in tension vs. other types of string. Their statement is true for all copolyester strings. Scorpion is, in my experience (which at the risk of hubris is a lot considering WC is my favorite company), the second LEAST tension sensitive poly they make next to Mosquito Bite. Turbotwist, Silverstring, B5E, Matchpower, Scorpion and then MB.
     
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    I agree with that. I have strung it as high as 60 and as low as 45 and it has delivered good performance at both tensions and everywhere in between. I feel that you can't really go wrong with this string.
     
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    I yield and I stand corrected. I haven't had a lot of experience with this string.
     
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    I had the mains 46 and crosses 47 or vice versa...I don't remember now. I went for 46/47 because I thought that decreasing the tension of only 3 lbs would not make a big difference. I guess you may be right...I should have tried 49.
     
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    last night I bought a package of scorpion and pro hurricane....I will let you know what's written on the scorpion's package.
     
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    It doesn't say "This string is very tension sensitive".

    All it does is mention that it should be strung 8% lower (than nylon). But that approximate rule of thumb is the case with all polys because they're stiffer strings. It doesn't mean its super tension sensitive. All Wiesscannon are trying to do is be helpful to 'the man in the street' who won't know much about string materials, stiffness, adjusting tensions etc. They make the same suggestions with Mosquito Bite (8% lower), Explosiv! (7% higher) and probably the rest of their string range.

    Courtesy of Suppawat (who is also a poster on here): http://suppawat.multiply.com/reviews/item/100
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    Thanks Tmano. I'm interested to know. I think for each racquet there is a certain tension where Scorpion becomes very cheap and stiff feeling. But that might be true of all polys. I only noticed it with Scorpion.
     
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    You clearly haven't played with many polys because Scorpion is one poly is that could never be described as 'very cheap' feeling no matter what tension its strung at. Either that or you have a very strange use of terminology. Even at 60lbs it never feels 'very cheap' feeling. Stiff but never cheap feeling.
     
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    So when I get Scorpion which tension should I try?

    Also because it's the first time I use Babolat pro hurricane could you guys suggest me the initial tension I should string it(full bed)? I tought to start at 49lbs....
     
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    No WC poly has a plasticy feel at any tension. As Torres said, only stiff or boardy when strung high in the case of Silverstring and B5E. This isn't my bias talking either. For example, MSV Hex at 60lbs feels like the plastic reel it comes sold on. At 45lbs, it feels like a plush spin monster.
     
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  34. Backhanded Compliment

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    Yes I do but only during the summer... Im going back to silverstring mains and Pacific toughgut 16L for my next string job. My arm prefers that setup but I can play with a full bed of silverstring.

    On another note I plan to string up my backup prestige MP with scorpion soon.
     
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    you are right it does not feel plasticy. out of curiosity did anyone try scorpion lower than 45lbs?
     
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    Oops, wrong link. The results were the same for the Scorpion as I did them both at the same time.
     
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    Thanks pvaudio
     
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  39. Tmano

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    Confirm it all.....just got the string and it only says "string 8% less"

    However, regarding the pro hurricane string it gives you a recommended tension

    1.20 and 1.25 gauge at 48 lbs

    1.30 and 1.35 gauge at 62 lbs which it seems to high but that's what's written
     
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    Thread resurrection, but its occured to me that if you want a string similar to Scorpion 17 but stiffer, then Discho Iontec Salmon 1.20mm would be worth a go. Similar sort of playing characteristics to Scorpion, but in a firmer meatier playing package. pvaudio likes both, so make of that what you will.

    My comments on it are: http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=6902901&postcount=19
     
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  41. Tmano

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    Thanks Torres, in my next string order this one will be included. Hey did you then try scorpion around 46lbs?
     
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