A sad day...

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  1. Shaolin

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    George W is to the US presidency what Justin Gimelstob is to tennis.

    Actually worse.

    Sorry just had to vent.
     
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    That's terrible Shaolin. You ought to be ashamed. I am not one to gloat on the subject, but it just couldn't get any worse for the Dems. In actuality they lost everything. I respect my democratic friends, but i do enjoy watching CNN/CBS a LOT more now!
     
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    Shaolin..it's cool to vent, but as you see the country has been moving towards a conservative prespective.
     
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    I salute the Americans. They made a wise choice in my opinion. They didn't go for the slickest talker. I wish we had a leader who followed through on what he thinks is the correct course of action or at least the direction he is committed to even in the face of fickle public opinion. It gives me some faith that the election was not decided by ignorant masses with off the top of their head philosophies swayed by propaganda. Not to say all democrats are like this! Just that often mass public perception is...
     
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    I'm pleased with America. To bail on Bush in a time of war would have shown great weakness to the world. With this display of resolve, I'm certain we will win the war on terror.
     
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    PusherMan,

    What's your definition of 'win the war on terror'?
     
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    U.S. says no to terrorists

    A proud American who is thankful th U.S. did not do to George W. Bush what the U.K. did to Winston Churchhill. W is a determined leader who will see our nation through this war. I'm one vet who rejoices in the results.
     
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    Go and talk about this somewhere else, please. The election is over, let's get back to tennis.
     
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    we are F...ed
     
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    Shaolin/Michael I think the one good thing that came out of the election is that at last all these negative ads slamming the opponent are finally over..other than that, i agree w. you that this was indeed a dark day for the world.
     
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    well put :)

    Like what Dennis Miller said on the tonight show, "Bush is the type of president that wakes up in the morning, puts his cold feet on the floor, and says, 'lets kill some f***ing terrorists.'"
     
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    We, Americans, will absolutely deserve what we get in the next four years, good or bad.

    Apparently, the rest of the world feels we deserve bad.

    Gee, I wonder how a pissed off world will contribute to the issue of terrorism.
     
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    mlee2,

    I guess some of us deserve more than others, not all of us deserve the same.
     
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    Let me tell you something about the rest of the world. The only reason America has not been invaded by any other country is one reason: They can't! I knew America wasn't buying all of that crazy left wing stuff. Kerry will now take his rightful place along-side other former (extremely weak Dem. Candidates, Gore,Dukakis) I am also glad that it was a large and clear victory, can we all say "style" and "substance"! I really admire President Bush, he is a man of great character, resolve, and substance. I have never been more proud to be an American!
     
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    Take this somewhere else, please. You guys can do your gloating on the "odds and ends" forum, in fact it's already being done.
     
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    To be fair Atatu,
    This thread was not started by a "Gloater", but it has been ended by a few.
     
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    I think Justin *wishes* that above statement were true. Besides, Justin's syntax and off-the-cuff speaking skills are better that Dubya. I'd wager to say Bush's ground game might be a bit better, though.

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    You're obviously not an American and not familiar with the President or his former challenger. You're also quite naive.

    The slickest talker is Bush-He won an election because his largely ignorant, war mongering and bible thumping constituency swallowed it whole everytime he opened his mouth. All he has to do is go into some pancake house, slap a few backs (act like a common man), invoke the name of God a few times and utter some ridiculous platitude-like "We WILL win the war on terror or by golley, I'll cut another tree down on my ranch in Crawford". This isn't a vote for the best policy or what's good for the country or the common man (for whom Bush could care less)-it's a vote for personality, like in my old high school. That's sad. Kerry is not, by anyone's definition, a "slick" talker. He's quite articulate, but he's boring to the point of being a cadaverous-i.e. dead or zombified.

    Bush gives "the common man" what he wants to hear. You are TOTALLY off base here because the election WAS decided by the ignorant masses-enough of them to turn the tide. Come to America one day instead of watching TV, and you will know what I'm talking about.
     
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    If you don't think pissed off people around the world aren't possible terrorist recruits, please tell me who is? There are too many economic and stability consequences for a country(s) to attack the U.S, but I was talking about TERRORISTS. This time around, it will be very hard for America to gain sympathy when (not if)
    terrorists strike with another 9/11-type attack.

    I won't blame Bush for anything other than Iraq. But the mess in Iraq is clear and inexcusable. We have a lot of pissed off people, here in America and especially abroad, regarding that.

    I agree that the Dems had a weak candidate, but to me, Kerry's strength was he understood that America is not invincible, and we will need/want other countries' help in order to win this "war on terror" (tm).

    Otherwise, we're just asking for a draft. Let's see if Bush voters will put their life where their mouth is.

    Osama Bin Laden was also another person with character, resolve, and substance. Unfortunately to Americans and 9/11, he was the Arab counterpart to Bush.
     
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  20. mlee2

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    Yes we do.

    To the rest of the world, Bush is very close to Hitler.

    They will see us as **** conspirators and will feel no sympathy towards us (even us Bush-haters) when we get attacked again. Germany is a great example. Going through fascism themselves, they will refuse to see another instance of a passive population tolerating an expanding empirical government.

    To most of the world, us Bush-bashers should do no less than riot on the streets: non-stop.

    People in America severly underestimate how badly and horribly the world hates us right now.
     
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    To compare Bush to Hitler, or Americans as Nazis is to trivialize the words **** and Hitler and to gravely insult the memory of the 40 million total dead that Hitler and Germany were responsible for.

    I dislike the cabal of right wing whackos that has taken over our government and planted puppet strings in poor old frat boy Bush, but this hardly equates them to Hitler. Not yet, and not ever. I don't care what the rest of the world thinks, if that's what they think, then they are dead wrong. Stop being a schmuck.
     
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    Dennis Miller says "Bush is the type of president that wakes up in the morning, puts his cold feet on the floor, and says, 'lets kill some f***ing terrorists.'"

    Actually, what Bush says is "let's kill some f***ing terrorists. And if we happen to kill a few innocent people... actually, many innocent people... among them women and children... well... welll... um... uh... Well, we'll make something up to fool the masses... yeah... that's what we'll do... I guess..."

    There was a little documentary made recently about the Bush administration - no, I'm not referring to 'Farenheit 911'... the documentary I refer to is better than Moore's film. It is titled 'The World According to Bush'. It is done in the same vein as Moore's film - questioning decisions, exposing flagrant and countless abuses, etc. - but it runs considerably deeper than 'Farenheit'. In the documentary, several persons with very direct experience within the U.S. government speak out against the Bush administration. The interviews are profound and revealing. It's worth seeing. I believe it's available on DVD.

    Seeing as the American government has shown more than a slight tendency to force themselves into effectively controlling parts of the world which are not part of the U.S.A., I propose that all adult citizens of the world be eligible to vote in U.S. Presedential elections. It only makes sense that those whose lives will be directly affected by the outcome be given a fair and just opportunity to determine their fate - as much as is possible, at least, and be given the right to vote. Anything less, after all, cannot honestly be called democracy, let alone true freedom...
     
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    It's bad enough that AMERICANS can vote in the US elections. Why would I want YOU to vote for my president anymore than I would want Vladamir, Abdul, Faisel, Jacques and Hans to vote for him? I have a better idea. Why doesn't YOUR country get rid of its obolete Commonwealth trappings (i.e. Parliament, Prime Minister, judges' wigs, the "Royal" in Royal Canadian Mounted Police, etc.) and just attach itself to Minnesota, like it should have done in the first place?

    I see where you're coming from, but I've heard this idea being thrown around over the last few months-not so much as a realistic proposal, but as a way to illustrate-and criticize-US hegemony. Now it's getting old. We get the point.
     
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    Phil, Judging by Deuce's post about baseball in the 'baseball is silly' thread, Deuce's country is also your country.
     
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    DON'T MOURN, ORGANIZE!!!


    p.s. Don't ever go to Utah.
     
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  26. Camilio Pascual

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    So....
    When are we raiding Iran?
    Relieving the rich of their tax burden?
    Grabbing those kids before they get left behind?
    Leaving the Democracy of Iraq?
    Leaving the Democracy of Iran?
    Appointing the most radical right Supreme Court in history?
    See the emergence of compassion from under the cloak of conservatism?
    Giving John Ashcroft the right to examine anybody's underwear at any time for any reason? Will we be required to wear them outside of our pants...so they will be easier to check?
     
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    Geez Camilio, it's only been two days. It's been a hard campaign. I figure Bush will take a month or so of vacation in Crawford, then he'll start in on all of that stuff.
     
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    It's over. There you guys go again splitting nation.
    We are supposed to work together now and support our commander in chief.
     
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    We split the nation?? Your boy's agenda split the nation.
    Take a good look at the electoral map and see where this nation is headed to. Not in my name.

     
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    I'm look at the map and it seems like your views are in the minority. Deal with it for another 4 more years...ha! However, there's always the option for you to apply for immrgation status in Canada or France.
     
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    David,
    You just don't get it. This needs to be said again. Real America (everything except for the occasional Nut-Job in California, or New York) does not like Michael Moore, Al Franken, Holywood Celebs with 4th grade educations telling them how to vote. Take another look at the Ec map it was and is bleeding red. Michael Moore and Hollywood did more for Bush than they did for Kerry, it's halarious. If the Democrats ever want to be in the White House again, they are going to have to get out of the far left. They'll have plenty of time as their next shot will be around 2016.
    Also, Anyone that says this election wasn't a blow-out is (to borrow a phrase from Kerry "out of touch with reality") Bush won the popular and electoral votes. Republicans now dominate both houses. This is/was a crushing blow to the destructing democratic party. I wonder which guy was out of touch with reality. Thank God the reasonable people of America got out and voted on Tuesday. This is at best pitiful!
    Why are we still discussing this?
     
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  32. david aames

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    Bush will go down the drain like Nixon, another lying drunk from Texas did after CRUSHING McGovern in 72. FYI, he won all states except for DC and Mass back then...

     
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  33. Bhagi Katbamna

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    FYI, Nixon was from California.
     
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    Nixon won 49 states. (Him and Reagan are the only ones to have won that many.)
     
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    Yaeh David, I would certainly make sure my crazy left-wing talking points were correct before making a fool out of myself.
    It's so awesome that we don't have to see that hideous war ciminal on tv ever again!!!! Open mouth-insert foot!
     
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  36. The tennis guy

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    Reading these posts, it is exactly the reason this country is going downhill.

    Regardless of who you are supporting, has anyone just sit down and look at the financial situation of this country? In 20 years, this country is headed to bankrupting itself.

    It is a sad day, not because Bush is re-elected, but people of this country don't even pay enough attention to its own financial crisis. People who raise these serious issues have been drown by the partisan fight.

    This is first time in my life I have pessimistic view of our country's future.
     
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  37. David Pavlich

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    Hey Phil: Continue with that attitude...the ignorant thing. The fact that the Democrat party has be coopted by the MoveOn.Org/Michael Moore faction is the reason Bush is still in the Whitehouse. It's the Democrat party that's ignorant, or should I say stupid for allowing what was a vibrant party turn into a shrill, whining caricature. The good people of the Dem party, Lieberman, Miller, Bayh, have no seat at the table.

    I give my heartfelt thanks to George Soros, MoveOn, Michael Moore, Danny Glover, Ben Afleck and so on for energizing the right. There was a big turn-out-the-vote but unlike the conventional wisdom, it turned out to be the GOP that won the battle of turn out. It wasn't Limbaugh or Hannity or Liddy or Boortz that got the people out, it was the whining, snivelling people like Franken and Moore that did it.

    And the payoff? The Dems will be out of power for at least another generation or until someone grabs the Dem leadership by the throat and slaps some sense into them. People like Terry McCauliffe have to be removed from positions of power if you ever want to see another Dem in the Whitehouse.

    Remember, this is the first time since FDR that a President was reelected AND gained seats in both houses. There's a reason for it and it isn't because the right side of the aisle's inhabitants are ignorant...

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    Well said David. The once respected party has become a laughing stock becuase of freaks like Moore, Sorros, and Mccaullife just to name a few. Of course there are people ON THIS AND IN THIS THREAD that subscribe to these types of views. That;s o.k., i guess?
    They just need to understand that they will continue to be laughed at and humiliated in the election process in the U.S. for years to come. It's not just the right that is turned off by those party leader idiots, but it's a mojority of the democrats as well. Another group that comes to mind in the NAACP. I am sincerely humilated for them and thier leaders.
     
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    Than wrote:
    So you're saying all minorities that can't 'deal with it', by I would assume shutting up, should leave the country.

    But tracing it back to John Locke, the Declaration espouses that the government is set up by the people to secure their life, liberty, and happiness, and IS to be overthrown when it no longer does that.

    I guess your point would be, beside the racism, classism, and sexism inherent, that the Declaration does NOT address property rights. So your argument would be territorial-- I am the majority called United States... it is my country, so if you don't like it, get off my property.

    Unfortunately that is the best interpretation one can make from your feeble comment.

    I, for one, would rather overthrow you, and your sexist/classist/racist coon-hunting majority, than leave.

    :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
     
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    But Sacco, there are so many communist/socialist utopias to choose from. Sacco, you are a carpet bagger. You went to Ohio to help the poor stupid people in the red states, but they turned against you. I'd be bitter too.

    You call people sexist, you are one of those that didn't cheer when the 19 year old girl voted in Afganistan.

    You say classist, your's is the side that tries to pit one against the other. After all, doesn't your bible, the little red book, say that history is warfare between the classes.

    You say racist, you are the one that feels sorry for non whites. Condescention is racism. Patronizing people just shows you don't in your heart think they can take care of themselves. Why do you feel that non white people can't take care of themselves without you and the government?

    Socialist/communist ideology always seeks to turn individuals into groups to be pit one against another.

    Me and my wife love to play with people like you. She is brown and despises libs. We can spot you guys from a mile away. She has learned how to make fools do cart wheels. It is hillarious. Sometimes I will pretend to be a stranger and start talking down to her just to get a rise. Sometimes, she will point at me, in the distance, and say I said somethng racist to her. Then I'll wait about 20 mins and head in that direction after she leaves and try to talk to the sheep. It is funny, the sheep like you, always, and I mean always, assume the white guy did something wrong.

    You talk about people in red states being ignorant. I think you are ignorant. Look at the districts map. It is even more red than the states map. What I have noticed most about the district map is that the blues aren't allowed to have guns. You can't even trust each other with guns.
     
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    Actually, David, I'm anything BUT ignorant. But yes, I do have an attitude and I'm pissed off, because I LOVE my country-not any particular party-and I just witnessed an act of mass self-destruction that will hurt my country-these men don't care about the country or YOU, their only concern is to line the pockets of their "base".

    I can agree with most of your first paragraph. The Dems have no balls and are shrill and annoying. This has been my feeling for many, many years. Which is why I dislike BOTH parties. However, based on the last four years, one party is worse for the country than the other, and will continue to bring us down. An $8 TRILLION deficit? C'mon-and you're happy because your "Man" remains in power to continue the damage? May as well sign your own death warrant.

    You seem to be wearing some extra large blinders-you mention a couple movie stars who make an appearance every so often (and make fools of themselves in the process), and I think that in the shrillness, stupidity and ignorance category, they are put to shame by the likes of O'Reilly, Coulter, Limbaugh, Pat Robertson, Ollie North, Jerry Falwell and the rest of the race-baiting, God-squad pandering crew.

    Michael Moore did not make a difference in the election. You give him way too much credit. He's a shameless self-promoter, and even if most of the stuff in 9/11 is ACTUALLY TRUE, NO ONE who saw it was influenced to change their vote-the people who agree with him came out of the film still agreeing, and those who didn't remained opposed. No, the difference was the working people who don't have enough insight to see past the B.S. and spin of the Bush team. These are the people losing jobs and earning minimum wage at Wal-Mart (which contribued millions to Bush) and they don't know any better. They were the difference, and after 4 more years of failure, maybe even THEY will see the light and vote for a change.
     
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    Actually, David, I'm anything BUT ignorant. But yes, I do have an attitude and I'm pissed off, because I LOVE my country-not any particular party-and I just witnessed an act of mass self-destruction that will hurt my country-these men don't care about the country or YOU, their only concern is to line the pockets of their "base".

    I can agree with most of your first paragraph. The Dems have no balls and are shrill and annoying. This has been my feeling for many, many years. Which is why I dislike BOTH parties. However, based on the last four years, one party is worse for the country than the other, and will continue to bring us down. An $8 TRILLION deficit? C'mon-and you're happy because your "Man" remains in power to continue the damage? May as well sign your own death warrant.

    You seem to be wearing some extra large blinders-you mention a couple movie stars who make an appearance every so often (and make fools of themselves in the process), and I think that in the shrillness, stupidity and ignorance category, they are put to shame by the likes of O'Reilly, Coulter, Limbaugh, Pat Robertson, Ollie North, Jerry Falwell and the rest of the race-baiting, God-squad pandering crew.

    Michael Moore did not make a difference in the election. You give him way too much credit. He's a shameless self-promoter, and even if most of the stuff in 9/11 is ACTUALLY TRUE, NO ONE who saw it was influenced to change their vote-the people who agree with him came out of the film still agreeing, and those who didn't remained opposed. No, the difference was the working people who don't have enough insight to see past the B.S. and spin of the Bush team. These are the people losing jobs and earning minimum wage at Wal-Mart (which contribued millions to Bush) and they don't know any better. They were the difference, and after 4 more years of failure, maybe even THEY will see the light and vote for a change.
     
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    Actually, David, I'm anything BUT ignorant. But yes, I do have an attitude and I'm pissed off, because I LOVE my country-not any particular party-and I just witnessed an act of mass self-destruction that will hurt my country-these men don't care about the country or YOU, their only concern is to line the pockets of their "base".

    I can agree with most of your first paragraph. The Dems have no balls and are shrill and annoying. This has been my feeling for many, many years. Which is why I dislike BOTH parties. However, based on the last four years, one party is worse for the country than the other, and will continue to bring us down. An $8 TRILLION deficit? C'mon-and you're happy because your "Man" remains in power to continue the damage? May as well sign your own death warrant.

    You seem to be wearing some extra large blinders-you mention a couple movie stars who make an appearance every so often (and make fools of themselves in the process), and I think that in the shrillness, stupidity and ignorance category, they are put to shame by the likes of O'Reilly, Coulter, Limbaugh, Pat Robertson, Ollie North, Jerry Falwell and the rest of the race-baiting, God-squad pandering crew.

    Michael Moore did not make a difference in the election. You give him way too much credit. He's a shameless self-promoter, and even if most of the stuff in 9/11 is ACTUALLY TRUE, NO ONE who saw it was influenced to change their vote-the people who agree with him came out of the film still agreeing, and those who didn't remained opposed. No, the difference was the working people who don't have enough insight to see past the B.S. and spin of the Bush team. These are the people losing jobs and earning minimum wage at Wal-Mart (which contribued millions to Bush) and they don't know any better. They were the difference, and after 4 more years of failure, maybe even THEY will see the light and vote for a change.
     
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  44. Phil

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    AAAA wrote:

    AAA - Deuce is a resident of our neighbor to the north, and as you may know, baseball is also a very popular sport there. He did, in fact, write passionately about baseball and I enjoyed it. This is a mite bit different subject, though.
     
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    The great thing about our country is that you CAN have your own opinion. Fortunately over 50% of the country respectfully DIS-AGREES with Phil. I do have a constructive suggestion...Phil, if you do love your country, which i believe you do, you should take some time to let your wounds heal and once the bitterness has subsided get behind our President. Continuing to trash his administration is not going to bring Kerry back from the dead. Taking off my partisan cap for a minute, I do hope the Democratic party can find a respectable candidate for '08. Like it our not, this is a CONSERVATIVE COUNTRY. Not only taking into account the red/blue outlook of the states, but if you've seen a county to county breakdown it is shockingly conservative. I am sure the party has taken note of that and will start trying to move a little more to the center. i.e. not having Michael Moore sitting in the seat of honor at thier next convention.
     
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    I didn't realise he was from Canada though I should have realised it when you made the Royal Canadian Mounted Police reference but I missed that too. By the way, nice thread. The 'war on terror' is less difficult to rage when many countries are co-operating towards that aim but the current approach is not gaining much support.
     
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    Jonas:

    Jonas - You're right about the Democratic party-they are weak, divided and constantly squabbling, and although they rip the Repubs to shreds with their platform, they have no way to present it, in a "value-laden" package to the unwashed masses, as the Republicans do. Rove ran a brilliant campaign, skirting the real issues and showering the electorate with shallow-but-emotional platitudes. Of COURSE they have to move to center, but Kerry's platform was not as different from Bush's than you might think. The difference was, Bush, a rich, silver spoon boy from an Eastern Elite family knows how to slap backs and play the God card. Kerry, another rich Eastern Elite boy, did not.

    I am not "wounded"; I am pi-s-s ed off. There's a difference. How can "we" get behind a president who wants to corrupt the Constitution with non-issues like gay marriage and flag burning as diversionary tactics, so no one will notice that the country is going bankrupt? How do we get behind a group of people who are not much different in their religious fervor and ideological zeal then our ENEMIES? Billions in tax cuts for the wealthiest 5% and nothing but pain for the lower income groups, who, if they're "Christian" STILL voted for the guy who's going to make their lives even more miserable. I will continue to "trash" this administration until it succeeds in doing something right, or until it's out of office. More failure and incompetence will, hopefully, bring an end to all these conservative plans in 2006 when congress and many senate seats change hands. Remember the "Gingrich Revolution"? That lasted for 2 years, and then Newt was gone. History will repeat itself.
     
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    Phil, Bush does not "play the God card" He is a Born Again Christian.
    The issue with G A Y marriage is not just opposed by Bush. I hate to keep bringing it up, but this was beaten by the American people as well. How can you say that "the group of people" has the same religious fervor and idealogical zeal as our enemies"? You need to take a look at the past 3 years and re-think that statement. I don't remember any of the Christians flying planes into buildings.
    Even though it wasn't long ago, we live in very different times than that of the Gingrich Rev. The Democrats have a lot, and I mean a lot of restructering to do if they want to even think about competing in this conservative society. The people have spoken, and they are overwhelmingly not liberal. I believe this has been a good experience for the Dems and will be Great for our country. Of course we can just agree to dis-agree.
     
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    Yes, I expected the "flying planes into buildings" comment; you're as predictable as the rest of your bretheren. No, our fellow countrymen are generally not mass murderers, but many of the fire breathing speicies DO exhibit similarities with the ayatollahs. Religious-based intolerance against diversity and other religions, a rush to arbitrarily label and demonize their opponents ("liberalism" is the new Communism), h o m o phobic, preference for using force rather than diplomacy, an arrogant feeling of moral superiority based on a following the only "real" religion, demonization of enemies (e.g. Gen. Jerry Boykin's characterizations of Muslims and the WoT as a war against "Satan"), a willingness to send others to their deaths (our military) for a "crusade" (as Bush called it a couple times-Freudian slip), etc. etc. No, I don't need to re-think my statement. The founding fathers believed strongly in separation of church and state as a foundation of America. All I can do is sit back and watch the coming assault by the American Taliban as they try to trample this fundumental and GUIDING PRINCIPLE into the dust and take our country from greatness to trailer park slip-covers-on-the-couch mediocrity. Hopefully, it will fail, just as the Taliban did-by trying to go too far too fast.

    Don't forget, 48% of the voters think W is full of shiat. Your majority is not as big as you think. It's a lot more complicated than your "We're a conservative country." Not everyone who voted for Bush are hard core holly rollers, and neither are all Kerry supporters tree-humping Commie libs. Some of us did not vote for a party, or even a man, but to reverse the downward trend in which our country is going, economically and in terms of international influence. You don't reward failure with 4 more years.

    You may want to see America turned into one large, anti-g a y, anti-minority trailer park, stretching from Ohio to Nevada, but there are many Americans-48% of those who voted and many of the 80 million who DIDN'T vote, who probably won't allow it happen.
     
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    Jerk-off,

    Every assumtion you make about me is wrong. You're an idiot, but the difference between you and me is that I do say the same comments I say here face to face with a person. But maybe you do to. Let's see. Speaking the truth is important; going around and baiting other people is just immature. Are you twelve? Can twelve year olds get married where you live? I try to be non-violent always, but its hard sometimes. You prance around trying to fool people with your wife, how stupid are you? I speak honestly, though often from anger, but I can back it up and do.

    Where do you live, jerk? I'm in the Syracuse area of New York. Want to meet up face to face and discuss this like over a tennis match?
     
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