A warning about lead tape

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  1. superstition

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    Lead is a very serious heavy metal that will mess up your brain and your body if you get it into your system. Lead lowers IQ, causes temper problems and depression, hearing loss, anemia, and so on. Once lead gets into a person's system, it can stay there for most of that person's life, often causing sporadic damage as it leeches out of bone and becomes reabsorbed.

    Lead is a very soft metal and therefore is not safe to handle with unprotected hands and you should not allow it to come into contact with things by rubbing so that it gets spread around.

    People usually handle lead glibly and don't realize that it's affecting them negatively, because it's a very incremental process. Beethoven's deafness was caused by lead poisoning. Don't shortchange yourself. Use disposable gloves, wash your hands, and be careful about having it rub against anything.
     
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  2. AJK1

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    So that's why half the people on these boards are loopy! ;)
     
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  3. DX_Psycho

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    lead tape is pretty safe. it's just like touching a lead pipe. unless you're licking and gnawing the lead tape, you'll be fine.
     
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    Oh...
     
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  6. tempura_MAKI

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    I put a thin coat of spraypaint over my lead tape before i apply it.. thin enough to conceal the shinyness but thick enough to protect any discharge from minor contact. its a safe, and look friendly way to go about this situation.
     
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    That's why lead pipes has been phased out a long time ago.
    Lead is serious stuff. You shouldn't be touching lead material without coating, either.
     
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    It depends on how much lead gets into your body. Using lead tape should be fine unless you are rubbing on it with your skin or something.
     
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  9. DX_Psycho

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    well obviously lead isn't safe but touching lead tape is not goign to kill you. people that touched lead pipes didn't die. people who ingested it did.
     
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    ...along with millions of fishermen around the world. :p
     
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  11. LONGWHITECROSS

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    if lead tape was so bad for you then the manufacturers wouldnt be able 2 sell it would they?
     
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    joke right? Unless you're eating it and not just putting it on your racquet your fine. Why else would they sell it?
     
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    i palyed too mcuh wtih laed and i'm gnoe crzay ... ooh ... i cna't tpye striaght any mroe ...

    you wanred me too ltae ...
     
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    WorNg WoRng WrgOn.

    w4Ht r YOo tTlAKliGn AhbowT mAn? tHer Iz n0 pRuF tAht LEdD aFfEx YoR mEnaTl FAkuLtIeS aT aLL#
     
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    Hm.. I heard about lead messing you up, but they wouldn't sell lead tape at all if it did this.
     
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    I think about this from time to time and have wondered why someone hasn't
    come out with a different material to add weight to racquets. I use steel for
    adding weight to the handle (not sure if it is stainless). But I do use lead tape
    as it is so far the most convenient thing out there. I wonder if the disposal of
    lead tape results in it leeching into groundwater (I guess there'd have to be
    a lot of tennis players for that to be a real concern).

    Silver tape would be nice - it has antibacterial properties and is moderately
    heavy. Probably a little more expensive than lead.
     
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  17. inferno303

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    loller-skates thats how my maths teacher used to type
    but yeah lead is pretty bad...if you eat it
    newai our options are closed coz u need heavy metals which r posionous
     
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  18. D.  Nelson

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    '.....There have been documented cases of deafness resulting from lead poisoning, but this has been a relatively rare occurrence. There is no solid evidence that lead poisoning was a cause of Beethoven's deafness....'

    However, it IS accepted that he DID die from complications of toxic levels of lead in his system....
     
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  19. Jesse K.

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    ......dude we appreciate the concern but it's a wee bit over the top. Touching or handling lead isn't going to hurt you. Every fishermen who handles lead sinkers would be in a Pysch ward by now. Ingesting lead is bad, but more so for children than adults. Children are the most at risk to lead poisoning not adults.
     
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    OK, OK, Lead is poisonous.

    USE GOLD!
     
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  21. movdqa

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    Gold is around $600 an ounce right now, down from the recent high in May
    of $730. Finding gold in tape form might be a little hard too. I don't know if it's sold in leaf form. Would look pretty though.

    Silver bottomed around $4.05 an ounce in 2000 or 2001 and is trading around $11.57 an ounce according to Kitco. Silver is known to have antibacterial
    properties and it is okay to ingest it. In fact there is a form called colloidal
    silver that people actually ingest. Others just take a silver coin, file down a
    little of it and mix it with a beverage.

    Platinum's a nice metal too. But over $1100 an ounce.
     
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    "No one who speaks German could possibly be Evil!"

    --The Simpsons
     
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    What..?! Haha.. I'm confused.
     
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    I know a guy who lived in the same house for 50 years, drinking water, etc., that ran through lead pipes. Died at 94. The real danger is for children with developing brains and bodies.
     
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    haha both sides of the story is a little over the top. Lead can be harmful to you. You shouldnt worry but it can. I would think its not a major issue for anyone.... just if you touch it, wach your hands.
     
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  26. lethalfang

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    Toxicity aside, lead is a perfect metal for this application. Not only is lead heavy, but it's so soft and bendable that you can easily mold it into the shape of your racquet.
    Occationally touching lead wouldn't be a major health concern, but you should minimize touching. It's much less seriously than ingestion, but heavy metal CAN and WILL get into your skin (in much smaller amount, of course).
    Another thing about lead and many heavy metal in general is the heavy metal dust. If you don't install the lead tape properly, and it rubs against the ground, you can breath in the lead debris and it'll stay in your system for a long time. One example of heavy metal dust is depleted uranium in penetrating bombs. Depleted uranium is heavy and HARD but not radio active, but in bombs they do pose a heath hazard (other than the explosion). If soldiers breath in a higher amount of depleted uranium dust, it does cause health problems.
     
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    only in california ;)
     
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    I have seen magnet tape. Anyone ever tried using the magnetic strips. I have considered it but I use so much lead tape that I fear it is to late to quit now.

    Back in Beathoven's (sp) day people actually used it in powdered makeup. No wonder the guy died. I have heard that lead poisoning was one of the reasons Rome fell. It caused alota damage and would explain the insanity within rome's ruling classes.
     
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    I always carry a mouthful of lead pellets when I'm out squirrel hunting.

    It ain't hurt me none.;)
     
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  30. varuscelli

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    anirut, I see very little here that's different from your posts in the past. Either you've had lead poisoning for a VERY long time, or you need to take two anti-inflammatories and check back with us tomorrow... :p

    :)
     
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  31. varuscelli

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    Of major concern are those players who lose their tempers and bite a large chunk out of their racquets at the 9 or 3 positions.

    Even if they spit it back out, there's still the possibility of ingestion.

    Ahhh-patooiiii! :p

    (Sorry, lethalfang, for that very weak segue from your post.) :(
     
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    Hello... there would be a HUGE difference in cost. Silver is currently over $11/oz.
     
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    Lead toxicity historically has centered around INGESTION of lead, e.g. small children eating chipped house paint that used to contain lead. It's unlikely solid lead would be absorbed through the skin -- practically nothing else is. Studies with cosmetics and shampoos show that the various vitamins and nutrients they boast about are generally never absorbed. Even highly lipid soluble creams (which lead surely isn't) may be absorbed into the outer layers of the skin but generally not deeper layers and the circulation. Those outer layers are constantly being rubbed, washed, or flaked off your body. Ever get paint on your hand? It doesn't seep into your blood vessels. Stays there, dries, and washes off later.
     
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    Did whoever start this thread eat paint chips as a child? That would explain alot. Yes, ingested lead is quite harmful to a developing body and too much of it can of course cause problems in an adult (alot of it over quite a bit of time). However, the only precautionary measures we need to take when applying lead tape to our racquets is to wash our hands afterward and make sure we don't use a "one for you, one for me" system and start lining our mouths with lead tape. (If you put 3 grams on each of your back molars, you get better balance for chewing steak.) I for one don't mistake a short section of lead tape for chewing gum so I think I'll be alright. :rolleyes:
     
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    Yeah I know. I trade precious metals. But back around 2000 or 2001, it
    was a little over $4/ounce.

    [​IMG]
     
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    I remember somebody came up with this lead poisoning stuff sometimes back. I'm going to reply to this, with the same idea, that you should:

    Worry more about the polluted air we breath.
    Worry more about insecticides in food.
    Worry more about chemicals in toileteries.
    Worry more about growth hormones in meat.
    Worry more about food preservatives.

    I'm saying once again that lead is used is because it is heavy, malleable and cheap. Or you could use gold but its not cheap. If you guys are too afraid to use touch that small amount of lead, use something else, or just stop playing tennis.

    Are we that stupid to not wash our hands after touching lead?
     
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  37. tempura_MAKI

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    ditto. lead tape is not food, so dont ingest it. if you touch it and you are worried about it, go wash your dam hands. nuff said.
     
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    The harmfulness of lead and lead tape aside, and no offense intended, but this is just about the stupidest possible thing you can think. :)

    They will sell it if people buy it. Unless it's illegal. And sometimes, even then. End of story.
     
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    Here is the most common illogical statement in this topic:

    "People don't die from handling lead tape, so it's safe".

    When did I say people are going to die from handling it? Yes, lots of people, like fishermen, handle lead regularly. Yes, it gets into their system and has negative effects unless they do things like use barrier cream, disposable gloves, hand-washing, etc.

    Illogical statement number two:

    "If lead was dangerous, it wouldn't be sold."

    Illogical statement number three:

    "Because lead is more dangerous when ingested, it's safe to handle because it's not easily absorbed by the skin."

    Yes, lead is more dangerous when ingested. When lead gets on the skin it often gets into the body. People smoke, eat, chew gum, touch other things, etc. Lead is a soft metal that rubs off on things easily.

    The insidious thing about lead is that it accumulates in the body and has incremental negative effects. Unless you eat a lot of lead quickly in a particularly soluble or reactive form (like red lead oxide which killed restaurant patrons when a dessert maker used it as food coloring), lead won't kill you or make you really sick right away.

    80% of inner city children in Cincinnati were recently found to have dangerous levels of lead in their bodies, not because 80% of the children eat paint chips, but because lead gets into the environment and finds its way into people's bodies. Sand-blasting old buildings. Leveling old buildings. etc. It's possible that crime rates in cities may be quite related to lead poisoning.

    Illogical statement number four:

    "Because lead is more harmful to developing children, it's safe for adults."

    Safer, but not safe.

    Illogical statement number five"

    "You have an irrational agenda against lead tape."

    No. I use it on my Prostaff. But, I think it should be labeled and should come with safety instructions.

    As for Wikipedia... it should be taken with a grain of salt. Anyone can change the articles there.
     
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    Would you provide some evidence that solid lead contacting the skin "often" finds its way into the body? A study, a journal reference, something....
     
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    I thought he like went to hot tubs or something to bath in and relax, and the lead concentration was really high....Im not 100% positive but i almost distinctly rememeber learning about this in elementary school.
     
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    This is very SICK. You will die from polluted air (full of lead anyway) much sooner, than touching some racquet lead tape.
     
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    Not to poo-poo the use of lead, but I've found using head protector tape to be very effective. It's not as dense as lead tape, but I don't really add that much weight to my sticks to get some good bumps in power and stability. One advantage is that the head tape can be repositioned much more easily when I'm trying to fine tune its placement.

    I use the cloth kind, e.g., Gamma or Babolat; not the shiny plastic-y type.
     
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    Lead is highly dangerous, thats why I use depleted Uranium tape on my racquet. 4mm of it at 3 and 9 o clock. Problem is: I can't bring my racquet on airplanes...
     
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    Aww, come on. It's not THAT bad of a post. The OP is just expressing an opinion. I think most people feel it's a bit over the top in terms of "warning," but why blast them with a "this is very SICK" comment? That's just being over the top in the opposite direction, don't you think?.

    Oh, well.
     
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  47. jackson vile

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    It is ingestion not contact that is dangerous, you should be far far more worried about what is in the air, water, and food supplies LOL
     
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    LEAD TAPE IS NOT POISONOUS. lead is. lead is not that shiny silvery color. lead tape is. So what can you extrapolate? sure, there is lead, but it's COATED with a NON-POISONOUS material. That's what they do for normal lead weights as well. The only thing you should do is cover the ends where you cut it.
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    yeah i was cutting lead tape yesterday and I noticed the dark metallic discharge at the ends where i cut it. it got on my hands. but i washed them. im smart.
     
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    I figure that's how lead tapes are made.
    Lead is a heavy metal that easily makes dust and debris of itself upon contact, and the dust can get into your lung thru inhalation. Lead does not make strong bonds with itself.
    Those who thinks ingestion is the only danger posed by heavy metal like lead, do not understand the danger.
    I'm not someone who's paranoid of health hazards around the environment, but lead is one of the more serious one around.
     
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