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  1. chris-swede

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    i know sth about Fahnehjelms junior career...and that is not good..i never see him playing #3 on Miamis roster..but players can grow and get even better, so i hope the best for him !
     
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    The Pack could look like this (there are lots of options)

    Singles
    1. Powell
    2. Mudge
    3. Horton/Norenius
    4. Norenius/Horton/Weigel
    5. Weigel/Dempster
    6. Dempster//Bond
    Dubs
    1. Dempster/Mudge
    2. Horton/Weigel
    3. Powell/Norenius

    A couple of strong dubs and balanced singles probably similar to last year but who knows……
     
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    I'll admit that was wishful thinking on my part. Because we don't have many other options.
     
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    NC State really has no set positions. The top 3 could shuffle as well. If Horton has improved he could get some time at #1 in rotation with Powell and Mudge.
     
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    I know DeaconDrive already gave us a look at Wake, and my take is similiar:

    1. Noah Rubin
    2. Romain Boegarts (I think Romo will play 1 at times)
    3. Jon Ho
    4. Max Kan
    5. Skander Mansouri (This is pure guess as Skander could just as easily play 3 or not at all)
    6. Anthony Delcore (Probably by committee again along with Pedro Dumont and Nicky Kunz, but Del played alot this summer and I didn't see the other guys out there in draws. I don't see Bloom or Billa playing much.)

    Dubs will be interesting. Boegarts and Kan played together, as did Ho and Dumont. Delcore played with Lee, who left, so Rubin or Mansouri will step in there. I get the impression Mansouri is good at dubs, so I feel he will certainly play with someone. Unless Rubin chooses to sit out dubs, someone will be the odd man out.
     
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    Wake's roster has been updated and Dumont and Billa are no longer listed.
     
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    Dumont's Facebook now indicates that he is at West Florida.
     
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    Very interesting. I hadn't seen that yet, but I am not surprised about Dumont. Thanks for sharing. I got the impression from him that he was not always on the same page with Bresky's decisions on when to play whom. My guess is Billa has already graduated, or he is just choosing not to play tennis during his senior year.
     
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    Just noticed that Morgan Mays has also transferred, and will play for UC-Santa Barbara next year. Quite the shakeup for Wake. Laaribi, Dumont, and Mays all transfer. Billa gone, but I think that's an academic thing.
     
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    Interesting that Wake submitted Jon Ho and Christian Seraphim as a doubles team for ITA All American (see the 2014-2015 D1 thread). Seraphim is a very tall German player - Wake lists him at 6'8".
     
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    why has Clemson so many players on their roster? they ve 13 players on it...that makes no sense at all?
     
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    Just noticed that Rubin isn't listed for the ITA All-Americans. The other top freshman, Ritschard, Montgomery, Alvarez, and Redlicki are all in the qualies. I wonder if Rubin is playing a pro tourney that week, or if they are holding out for a WC for the main draw, if that even exists.
     
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    That is last years roster.

    This years roster has not been posted yet. From the 13 you lose Dom Madden, David Parker and Zach Kennedy. They have 2 new players - Hampton Drake and Daffra Sanon. A couple of these guys on the roster are walk-ons and probably wont play at all.
     
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    I don't know. During the dark days (Difazio, Galloway, Moran.... etc.) we had a roster of that many. I like the more efficient numbers of 8-9 like we had in the more successful previous 2 years.

    Some teams have large rosters like this. Furman had 16 last year.


    Harris, Strawn and McMullen are not going to play at all in the year so really te team is just 9 players. Strawn is a lefty so he helps with practice as a lefty is always handy for hit arounds. McMullen is on the team because of personal family relationships with the coaches and Harris is an in state guy.
     
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    Where is Zach Kennedy going? He was pretty highly touted coming in, but didn't appear to play much, if any, last year
     
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    I don't know. I actually was not aware that he wasn't on the team until that post and now I see that he is indeed not in the team pictures from a couple weeks ago.
     
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    Hey Clemson Tennis....will you be in San Antonio this weekend, for the Charlie Weaver?
     
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    There appears to be some kind of college event in Cary NC this weekend but I have still to find a decent link. Anyone know more?
     
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    The Duke Fab Four Invite is this weekend at Cary Tennis Center. I've attended in the past, but don't think I can pull any this weekend. It should be some good tennis. Wake is going. Duke and UNC will be there. I know Elon is going. Not full squads but a handful from each team probably. The better tennis will be the ITA Regionals at the same site in October.
     
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    Thanks, I will get down for a couple of hours Saturday, appreciate it.
     
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    ahh I wasn't aware of this event. I went to something in May at that same center but I'll be in Austin this weekend.
     
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    Just got a look at the Duke Fab Four draw. Unfortunately, not as impressive as I would have thought. NC State has two top 100 guys playing (in separate flights) and Duke freshman, Nicolas Alvarez is playing, but other than that, it's mostly mid to low lineup guys. Wake has Delcore, Bloom, Kunz, and Osterling playing.
     
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    He has transferred to Georgia State.
     
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    Wow what a class Duke is putting together in 2015 with the #9, #12, and #14 recruits already signed, all blue-chips. Also the girls have #1, #3 and #7
     
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    4 ACC players into the Tulsa quarters
     
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    And the players who are sitting this one out include Brayden Schnur and Mitchell Frank.
     
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    Do you see these new guys contributing right away?

    TALLAHASSEE, Fla. – The Florida State men’s tennis team has signed Terrance and Terrell Whitehurst as the only two members of its 2014-15 signing class. The brothers who are from Tallahassee, will begin playing for the Seminoles in January.

    “These two players are two of the most competitive, hard-working athletes we have recruited in my time at Florida State,” head coach Dwayne Hultquist said. “They are two of the three best singles players in the state at the high school level. We are excited they stayed in Tallahassee and expect local excitement to be strong with the two of them joining the Seminole family.”

    Terrance was rated a Blue Chip recruit and ranked No. 1 in the state of Florida and as high as No. 14 nationally by TennisRecruiting.net and the USTA. He brings a strong baseline game and expects to contend for starting time during the spring dual schedule.

    Terrell was rated a five-star recruit and was ranked as high as No. 3 in Florida and No. 63 nationally from TennisRecruiting.net. Coaches say his greatest strength is his firepower and serve velocity to go along with his competitive spirit.

    As a doubles team, the pair has been the No. 1 ranked boys team in Florida and reached the semifinals of the USTA Boys’ National Championships in 2012. They also won the USTA Florida 18U Tournament in 2012 when they were just 16 years old.

    http://www.seminoles.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=32900&ATCLID=209706091
     
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    I was at the Wake Forest Indoor Tennis Center the other day and they had the pictures of the new players up. There was a player named Tiago Eusebio from Portugal. I had not heard of him, and there doesn't seem to be much on him on the web. Anyone know his story?
     
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    Brayden Schnur !!!! What a great player he is !!!
     
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    Lot of potential, we will see how this season goes.
     
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    Virginia released its schedule today for the upcoming season:

    ITA Kickoff Weekend
    01/23/15 vs. George Washington Charlottesville, Va. (BHSC) 6:00 p.m. ET
    01/24/15 vs. Louisville/VCU Charlottesville, Va. (BHSC) 6:00 p.m. ET

    01/25/15 vs. Liberty Charlottesville, Va. (BHSC) 12:00 p.m. ET & vs. Morgan State Charlottesville, Va. (BHSC) 5:00 p.m. ET
    01/31/15 Dallas Challenger Dallas, Texas All Day
    02/07/15 at VCU Richmond, Va. 1:00 p.m. ET

    ITA National Team Indoors
    02/13/15 ITA National Team Indoors Chicago, Ill. TBA
    02/14/15 ITA National Team Indoors Chicago, Ill. TBA
    02/15/15 ITA National Team Indoors Chicago, Ill. TBA
    02/16/15 ITA National Team Indoors Chicago, Ill. TBA

    03/01/15 at Baylor Waco, Texas 2:00 p.m. ET
    03/06/15 at Wake Forest * Winston-Salem, N.C. 4:00 p.m. ET
    03/07/15 at NC State * Raleigh, N.C. 3:00 p.m. ET
    03/10/15 at Oklahoma Norman, Okla. 5:00 p.m. ET
    03/13/15 vs. Clemson * Charlottesville, Va. (Snyder) 3:00 p.m. ET
    03/20/15 at Notre Dame * Notre Dame, Ind. 3:30 p.m. ET
    03/22/15 at Boston College * Chestnut Hill, Mass. 12:00 p.m. ET
    03/27/15 vs. North Carolina * Charlottesville, Va. (Snyder) 3:00 p.m. ET
    03/29/15 vs. Duke * Charlottesville, Va. (Snyder) 1:00 p.m. ET
    04/04/15 vs. William & Mary Charlottesville, Va. (Snyder) 2:00 p.m. ET
    04/05/15 vs. Virginia Tech * Charlottesville, Va. (Snyder) 1:00 p.m. ET
    04/10/15 vs. Georgia Tech * Charlottesville, Va. (Snyder) 3:00 p.m. ET
    04/12/15 vs. Louisville * Charlottesville, Va. (Snyder) 1:00 p.m. ET
    04/17/15 at Florida State * Tallahassee, Fla. 3:00 p.m. ET
    04/19/15 at Miami * Coral Gables, Fla. 1:00 p.m. ET

    "We have once again tried to assemble a difficult schedule that will challenge our team from start to finish," said head coach Brian Boland. "The ACC continues to improve every year and we expect this season to be the strongest it has ever been. Our non-conference schedule gives us a great opportunity to play the NCAA runner-up Oklahoma and play at the NCAA Championship venue at Baylor. We are also working on finalizing one additional high-profile home non-conference match."
     
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    Collin Altamirano has enrolled at UVA, but is not yet listed on offcial tennis roster

    This is big news for UVA men's tennis and bad news for the rest of D1 men's tennis.

    Based on UVA's fall results including futures and challengers, I expect the starting 6 to be as shown below. If no ad scoring survives, IMO it does not help grinders like Mitchell Frank, since he loves 3 hour matches if that is what it takes to win.

    Many think 'no ad' will cause many more upsets. I think it will make little and likely no difference in team results. Individually, there will be a few more upsets, but they still have to be pretty evenly matched. For example few in college tennis are better than Mitchell Frank with traditional scoring, but a few big bangers may be able to take him with 'no ad'.

    1) Mitchell Frank
    2) Ryan Shane (could move up to #1 by year end due to his big game
    3) Thai Son Kwiatkowski ( I think he is as good as Frank and Shane)
    4) Alex Ritschard, Collin Altamirano, or Mac Styslinger (needs consistency)
    5) See above
    6) See above

    The primary singles backups will be JC Aragone, Luca Corinteli, Henrik Wiersholm, and Harrison Richmond.

    I am much less certain about doubles but I think Frank, Kwiatkowski, Corinteli and Richmond will play in the top 6. I think Shane will also play, but he played very little doubles last year, due to his relatively weak net game. The 6th man could be anyone, but I think Styslinger will get the nod.

    The depth of this UVA team is better than ever, but at the top we have been better recently with Domijan and Jenkins.

    I think UVA, USC, UGA, and Oklahoma are the four top teams going into the season. Dark horses are UNC, WF, UCLA and OSU.

    IMO the ACC will be the best college tennis conference this year with UVA, UNC, WF and maybe Duke all in the top 15.

    As an aside UVA's women's team is loaded and I think it also has a good chance to win the NCAA's, but I think UNC and probably UCLA are still better.
     
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    Eric Rutlidge, committed to Wake, don't know if he's joining the team in Jan or Sep though....good catch for them.
     
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    I don't know how. Don't they already have 12 players or so?
     
  36. Deacon Drive

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    Good info. Thanks. Maybe he is one to which Bresky is referring.
     
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    I assume it is usually a combination of spreading out the scholarship money, providing academic scholarships, and signing some players that have parents with the means to afford full tuition.
     
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    Justin Shane just lost 1-6,6-3,1-6 to Herko Pollanen in ITF Futures. (Is shane not a regular at UVA s lineup? He is not mentioned above?)
     
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    He has graduated. His younger brother Ryan is still there.
     
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    At the D1 level, academic scholarships are NOT allowed for recruited athletes in any sport including tennis, so they are 4.5 apportionable schollies for the men and 8 full non apportionable for the women.

    Now the Ivy's and D3 schools (no athletic scholarships) do give 'academic' money to get athletes. The Ivy's claim they give no athletic scholarships at all, but somehow they admit less than normal academic guys (everyone does this of course) if they play sports really well and they do give academic aid to these less qualified academically speaking athletes.

    D1 men's teams now seem to have 10 to 12 guys and sometimes more. They have to be careful how the scholarship money is split up. I think state or public schools have an advantage, if they can get some in state guys to play for them, because the tuition is much lower. If you take rough numbers for in state guys at $25K and OOS and private schools at $50K, and you have several instate guys that means the OOS guys can get more money.

    In tennis most players come from families who are middle class or higher and they would be going to college anyway, so if the parents of male players have to pay maybe half of the cost of going to college instead of 100% it is not a bad deal given that they get free coaching, equipment, training and they no longer have to pay for travel unless they play pro events, so most parents actually pay less than what they were paying when they were in HS.

    Of course the women get eight 100% schollies due in large part to Title IX and the extra FB scholarships given to the men. I think they should give the women 7 apportionable schollies and give the men 5.5 or better yet maybe 6 to 7 each. This is not about to happen, but within tennis and forgetting about FB, it would be fairer.

    If any D1 school is giving academic money to its players (except the Ivy's), they are in violation of NCAA rules, so this just does not happen.
     
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    It definitely does happen though.
     
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    I know in Georgia athletes can take advantage of the HOPE academic scholarship so with 5 of Georgia's 9 players in-state guys (Austin Smith, Nathan Pasha, Eric Diaz, Peter Bertran, and Andy Martinez) they likely have tuition and books already covered and would only need a much smaller portion for room/board which would open up funds for the Wayne Montgomery's out there.

    Here was an article I saw on the subject.
     
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    Duke is in Hawaii playing Hawaii and Louisville in a dual format but the matches don't count towards the dual-match record. They play Louisville today.

    January 7, 2015
    UH Tennis Complex – Honolulu

    Doubles – Round 1
    1. Nicolas Alvarez/Raphael Hemmeler (DUKE) def. Nils Schuhmann/Carter Lam (Hawai’i) 6-3
    2. Jason Tahir/Chris Mengel (DUKE) def. Chas Okamoto/Felix Albert (Hawai’i) 6-2
    3. Bruno Semenzato/Josh Levine (DUKE) def. Joakim Pinola/Marcel Chan (Hawai’i) 7-6 (2)
    4. TJ Pura/Daniel McCall (DUKE) def. Fabian Woehrl/Kula Companion (Hawai’i) 6-0

    Doubles – Round 2
    1. Tahir/Mengel (DUKE) def. Schuhmann/Lam (Hawai’i) 6-2
    2. Alvarez/Hemmeler (DUKE) def. Okamoto/Albert (Hawai’i) 6-0
    3. Pura/McCall (DUKE) def. Pinola/Chan (Hawai’i) 7-5
    4. Semenzato/Levine (DUKE) def. Woehrl/Companion (Hawai’i) 6-2

    Singles
    1. No. 36 Tahir (DUKE) def. Schuhmann (Hawai’i) 4-6, 7-6 (4), 6-2
    2. No. 18 Alvarez (DUKE) def. Okamoto (Hawai’i) 6-3, 6-4
    3. No. 112 Semenzato (DUKE) def. Lam (Hawai’i) 7-6 (2), 6-3
    4. No. 103 Hemmeler (DUKE) def. Albert (Hawai’i) 6-4, 6-2
    5. Mengel (DUKE) def. Chan (Hawai’i) 6-1, 6-1
    6. Pura (DUKE) def. Pinola (Hawai’i) 6-0, 6-1
    7. Levine (DUKE) def. Woehrl (Hawai’i) 6-2, 6-0
    8. McCall (DUKE) def. Companion (Hawai’i) 6-2, 6-4
     
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    I think GA is the only state that gives free tuition and books, but not room and board if you have a 3.0+ GPA out of HS and you maintain it at UGA, which is a great deal for instate students.

    I read the article, but what I do not understand is how the NCAA counts the %'s of the money to get to the maximum 4.5 men's schollies at UGA. Using your numbers with rounding, UGA has 6 instate guys all on Hope schollies and let's say for easy math 6 OOS guys.

    Rough rounded 'in state' UGA cost is $20K ($10K for tuition paid by Hope and $10K for room and board not paid by Hope). The OOS cost is about $40K ($30K for tuition and $10K for room and board).

    Manny has 4.5 men's schollies to divvy up based on %'s (not dollar cost). I think if the all 6 instate guys get no athletic schollies, then the 6 OOS guys can split up the allowable 4.5 schollies. Thus, the net parent cost will be $10K for each instate guy (room and board only) and it will also cost each parent $10K ($40K times the 25% not covered by the 4.5 out of 6 allowable schollies). No doubt it should really help UGA, if in fact the Hope schollies do not count against the 4.5 allowed, which seems to be the case. Of course, Manny's instate guys have to be among the best in the country in order to win the NCAA's and in recent years there have not been enough of them to win it.

    Now let's change the facts and assume there is one fantastic in state player whose parent have no money and in order to go to UGA he has to be a on full scholarship. If he is on a Hope and Manny gives him the needed $10K for room and board I think that counts as 1 of the 4.5 schollies, so there are only 3.5 left. If this guy is not on a Hope and Manny gives him $20K, then I think there are still only 3.5 left. Is that they way you think it works?

    For the women with 8 headcount schollies the 8 women pay nothing and it does not matter who is on a Hope, but the Hopes do reduce the cost to UGA's athletic department or its scholarship fundraising foundation.

    In Virginia there is a Foundation that must raise money from donors and then it pays for athletic scholarships. In most states I think the school's athletic department just pays them directly.
     
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    Deleted duplicate post.
     
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    Not 100% sure but I think if a guy gets $10K of a possible $20K then that'd be .5 scholarships and would leave 4 left or if he gets $5K then that'd be .25 scholarship leaving 4.25 left in the pool.

    However I guess it's possible that the 4.5 scholarships could have a $$ amount associated to it counting all scholarships across all sports as the same $$ amount so in that case if a scholarship is $60K a year as determined by the school and he has 4.5 to give out that means his 4.5 scholarships could be worth $270K and if he gives an in-state guy the $10K for room/board then that could be $10K out of a possible $60K meaning it'd only count as .16 scholarships. I'll have to look around and see if it's explained any better.
     
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    I don't think that is correct. There are academic scholarship exemptions, as described in the NCAA Manual:

    15.5.3.2.1 Exceptions.
    15.5.3.2.1.1 Academic Honor Awards. Academic honor awards that are part of an institution’s
    normal arrangements for academic scholarships, based solely on the recipient’s high school record and
    awarded independently of athletics interests and in amounts consistent with the pattern of all such
    awards made by the institution, are exempt from an institution’s equivalency computation, provided
    the recipient was ranked in the upper 10 percent of the high school graduating class or achieved a corecourse
    grade-point average of at least 3.500 (based on a maximum of 4.000) or a minimum ACT sum
    score of 105 or a minimum SAT score of 1200. (Adopted: 1/12/99 effective 8/1/99)
    15.5.3.2.1.1.1 Additional Requirements. The following additional requirements shall be
    met: (Adopted: 1/12/99 effective 8/1/99)
    (a) The awards may include additional, nonacademic criteria (e.g., interviews, essays, need
    analysis), provided the additional criteria are not based on athletics ability, participation or
    interests, and the awards are consistent with the pattern of all such awards provided to all
    students;
    (b) No quota of awards shall be designated for student-athletes;
    (c) Athletics participation shall not be required before or after collegiate enrollment;
    (d) No athletics department staff member shall be involved in designating the recipients of such
    awards;
    (e) Any additional criteria shall not include athletics ability, participation or interests; and
    (f ) There must be on file in the office of the director of athletics certification by the financial aid
    director or the chair of the financial aid committee that such awards are part of the institution’s
    normal arrangements for academic scholarships, awarded independently of athletics
    ability, participation and interests and in amounts consistent with the pattern of all such
    awards made by the institution.
     
  48. marco forehand

    marco forehand Rookie

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    I have to say when I read DaveKB's post and his certainty about no combination of academic and athletic scholarships being allowed it didn't follow what I had seen in recent past.
    Thanks to Deacon Drive for quickly bringing more information to this.
     
  49. DaveKB

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    You will note that any academic aid must be totally UNRELATED to being an athlete and be given consistently to all similar non athletes students solely based on specific academic criteria. Read (a) through (f) carefully and you will see that it cannot be routinely done and in addition he cannot be required to play the sport in order to get the money. IOW you cannot steer academic aid to any athlete or tennis player, which is what people here think you can do routinely to tennis players.

    I obviously do not know what various schools do, but if the word is out there that say USC, UVA, OSU, UCLA are funneling more $$ than that allowed by the NCAA and its 4.5 schollies, that school will be punished by the NCAA and the coach will lose his job. Now it is rumored that in FB and BB that boosters and hangers on and agents funnel money under the table to athletes. That may well happen, but what agent pays under the table money to college tennis players?

    If anyone knows specific cases of academic aid being steered to tennis players by any D1 school, i suggest that you turn them in to the NCAA. As I said academic aid is used for D3 athletes all the time, but not at the D1 level in any sport including tennis.
     
  50. DaveKB

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    Deleted dupllcate post
     
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