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  1. dc_tennis_atl

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    5 ACC schools host and 4 Big12 schools host. 2 ACC schools as #2 seeds (Florida State and Louisville) and 2 Big12 schools as #2 seed (Texas Tech and Oklahoma State).
     
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    Jon Ho sat out today's match for Wake Forest. They have reached the end of the road unless he returns, and maybe even then, anyway.
     
  3. GoneSouth

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    Ho played doubles, but didn't play singles so it seems like it's not a major injury. Hopefully for Wake he can get healthy in the next few days
     
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    Wake Forest defeated TCU earlier this season without Noah Rubin in Winston Salem.


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    #20 Wake Forest 4, #13 TCU 3
    Mar 08, 2015 at Winston-Salem, N.C. (Wake Forest Tennis Complex)

    Singles competition
    1. #21 Romain Bogaerts (WF) def. #28 Cameron Norrie (TCU) 6-4, 6-4
    2. #48 Nick Chappell (TCU) def. #70 Jon Ho (WF) 6-2, 6-7 (7-9), 7-6 (7-5)
    3. Skander Mansouri (WF) def. Will Stein (TCU) 6-4, 6-4
    4. Guillermo Nuñez (TCU) def. Keivon Tabrizi (WF) 6-2, 6-4
    5. Arnau Dachs (TCU) def. Christian Seraphim (WF) 6-4, 6-3
    6. Maksim Kan (WF) def. #110 Facundo Lugones (TCU) 6-4, 4-6, 6-4

    Doubles competition
    1. #28 Christian Seraphim/Skander Mansouri (WF) def. #20 Nick Chappell/Will Stein (TCU) 6-2
    2. Jon Ho/Keivon Tabrizi (WF) def. Guillermo Nuñez/Cameron Norrie (TCU) 6-4
    3. Hudson Blake/Facundo Lugones (TCU) def. Sam Bloom/Romain Bogaerts (WF) 6-3

    Match Notes
    TCU 9-5 (0-1 Big 12); National ranking #13
    Wake Forest 9-4 (0-1 ACC); National ranking #20
    Order of finish: Doubles (1,3,2); Singles (4,5,3,1,6,2)
    Used ITA shortened scoring format.
    T-3:40 A-119
     
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    Interestingly, Romain Bogaerts did not play #3 doubles today but did play #2 singles.
     
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    Didn't they beat Tcu already this year without Rubin?
     
  7. Clemson_tennis

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    TCU will rock them this time
     
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    What's your reasoning on this?
     
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    I, too, am very curious what makes you think TCU will "rock" Wake. They may very well win, as they are #5 for a reason, but to think they will destroy Wake is interesting to me. The matchups will all be very different this time, with one exception.

    1. Rubin vs. Chappell - Rubin will be favored
    2. Bogaerts vs Nunez - toss up perhaps, but Romo probably favored
    3. Mansouri vs. Norrie - Norrie will be favored
    4. Ho vs. Lugones - Ho will be favored (I'm assuming he's back to 100%)
    5. Seraphim vs. Dachs - the only rematch, I'll give it to Dachs again
    6. Tabrizi vs. Stein - Stein will be favored.

    Wake won the dubs point before, which means nothing. I think it will be a VERY important point. I think it will be 4-3 or 4-2 Wake or the reverse. I don't see a rout by either team.
     
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    I'll also go with Wake. And UNC to beat Illinois. And even Duke to surprise USC. We all know UVA will be there.
     
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    If the ACC goes 4-0 in the round of 16, that'd be shocking.
     
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    I think TCU will win. Not really "rock" that was just said to 777777 cause he likes to debate with strong opinions.
    I think TCU is a lot better than when they played earlier in the year. Of course wake has Rubin now but TCU is still stronger overall. But it'll be close
     
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    Who's a bigger jerk, Thai or Schnur?
     
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    I've not seen Thai do anything embarrassing, but I only watched a few points yesterday at the end of his match. Did he do something? I watched Schnur in his match against Noah Rubin at Wake and he embarrassed himself and Coach Paul by being so disrespectful to the referee and even Coach Paul, in my opinion. He got one point penalty but it could have been worse, so he'd get my vote.
     
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    UVa video highlights of the Baylor match. I like the way UVa shows the other team playing good points, and not just UVa winning points. They show the match points that Baylor won in doubles and singles, among other good points by Baylor as well.
     
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    Did they show TSK's obvious retaliation call?
    Bad, bad is only way to describe that, very poor sportsmanship
     
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    I saw it and it was obviously in retaliation (the ball clearly did hit the line) to an equally bad hook by BU on an ace two points earlier that (i think) would have won that crucial 2-1 game game for TSK. BU hooked first and did not get overruled and then TSK tried it and got overruled Both were on the far sideline and that is where the umpire must often claims he could not see it and lets the call stand. The players know this very well.

    BTW in case you do not know hooking in college tennis has a very long history and until they instituted the penalty system it was rampant. It is also why the men play lets, which is dumb when there is a chair umpire.

    I have watched all UVA matches at the NCAA's this year and some others and controversial line calls happen all the time and often it is the coaches leading the charge.

    Apparently the OU vs TCU match was decided by two calls that went against TCU in the deciding TB. Now that was controversial of the highest order.

    Sadly without paid linesman, that the NCAA will not pay for, bad and controversial calls will continue in college tennis. Even with linesmen controversies will still exist.

    Only pro tennis with 'hawk eye' has solved the problem.
     
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    Hooking is not as rampant as you would think 99% of pts are just fine, there are certain players that pushes limits.
    As for the calls, the serve was a tight but video was not as clear as the retaliation call.
    Did not see the TCU/OU pts, unfortunately so can not comment. I do think Roditi and Chappell handled the press conference well.

    I would not mind seeing far sideline officials used in QF-F but it is added expense and having to find 6-12 more officials on top of probably 18 officials + Referees is not easy.
     
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    Here are my video clips that shows most of TSK's 2-1 service game in the 3rd (at least the break/hold points) - it starts with him hitting what he thought was an ace on game point - Galeano called it out and the chair wouldn't overrule.

    When I was watching it live I thought it was good. You'll also notice before the point Galeano had his hand up to slow down TSK - this happened several times during that game many of which I might not have got because a few happened on a deuce point. TSK was trying to really speed things up but Galeano wouldn't allow it - I thought the server dictates pace so I'm surprised Galeano was allowed to keep slowing it down.

    The retaliation call by TSK was 2 points later and it was quickly overturned. TSK seemingly had game point won 3 of 4 times but just couldn't seem to finish. He was cooked by the end of the game and took a medical TO serving 2-3 15-40 I believe. He was alternating between dinking his serve and going for broke.

    When I asked Boland about TSK during the presser he said he wasn't down there so he couldn't comment much about it but he was surprised because at TSK suffering from cramps/dehydration because that hadn't happened before.
     
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    That is true in USTA, but ITA everyone is allowed to take the full 20 secs, there is not a rule requiring server pace. So gamesmanship or not Galeano is allowed to take the full 20 secs

    Video: serve was close, maybe a little out, and out call was a little late, but he probably saw a mark or something even though can not be used.
    Hard, hard one to overrule by chair, even Pro Level
     
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    Good to know
     
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    I was sitting on that line and both balls clearly hit the line or were within the rule that if you are not sure it is 100% out then it is good. BU would have lost (correction it was on ad out point but the game had to have 8 to 10 deuces) that crucial game in a very tight semifinal match, so BU hooked TSK.

    As for you 99% thing you could not be more wrong. Players are always asking for the overrule even when they know the ball was out and they often get it. Because you can ask for unlimited overrules why not ask? They need to change that rule and limit overrule requests or just let the chair umpire make any call (both in or out) no matter what the player calls it. Most of the time the player "sees it" out or more likely "thinks" or "hopes" it is out so they call it out. It happens all the time, because there are lots of close balls. After all you lose the point, if you call it good, so except for risking getting into the penalty system which I have not yet seen in any match so far. I have seen few blatant hook attempts where the ball is say 2 to 3 inches inside, but on balls within an inch they are many 'hooks' or 'bad calls'.

    The fans at the matches always disagree on line calls and it is always in favor of their team. I have yet to see any fan say their own guy made a hook call. Certainly the BU guys seating near me did not do so on the first hook on the ace serve by TSK. Then they all went ballistic on the retaliation call, until they overrule was made.

    I play USTA league tennis and there are controversial calls there as well. Even in my friendly double there is controversy on line calls. Very often you win or lose on close calls.
     
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    I can see a big difference on the two calls though, in defense of the official, that serve was going away on far sideline at 100+ mph, the second call was easy as it was a floating ball that is much easier to track.

    Fans will always go with their player of course and coaches getting riled up make it happen, even if coach is just trying to fire up the crowd.
     
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    Thanks for the clarification. An official at the ACC tournament explained this rule to a couple of us (during the Duke vs Ga Tech womens match and player would just wait at the fence after each point) but was surprised to learn this.
     
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    Dark side of tennis. So many times it comes down to disputed line calls and gamesmanship. Whatever, it's the nature of sports: Whatever it takes to win; Law of the jungle; Show me a good loser and I'll show you a loser; Win at all costs. But something needs to be done. Obviously calling own lines does not work. Now most players don't cheat, but everyone can make bad line calls. Interesting to see what the senior tour is doing. Players call own lines but have access to spot shot. I assume chair umpire here can overrule. As an earlier post stated maybe it's time for chair umpires to make all calls. At least then you'd eliminate the chance that players could cheat.
     
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    There's something I like to call "college tennis out". When a ball is in but just barely clips the line so it's called out. You just don't get that call ever in college and players should accept that. If it was on the ATP hawk eye it may show some line being caught but in college it's out. Fans get bent out of shape about these calls, especially if their guy makes a big deal out of it but it's not a call you'll get and I think players eventually learn this. Each player probably does about 5 "college tennis out" calls a match.

    Now the egregious ones, the ones that are inside the line, those are the ones the umpires need to overrule. And many many college players have made a very bad call here and there when the pressure gets to them.
     
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    As I've said before, this provides a disincentive for aggressive play in college and is one reason I think the umpire should be calling everything, notwithstanding the fact that such calls will never be perfect (I realise I have now posted 4 times in a row on pretty much the same topic so will move on and get back to the final!)
     
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    Is henrik still on the UVA team?
     
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    Yes...he played sparingly throughout the season and was 8th on the depth chart for NCAAs. I'm sure he and Mac will battle it out for the last singles spot next season.
     
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    Four of the eight men's quarterfinalists in the singles tournament are from the ACC. Ditto for the women.

    The men could have an all-ACC semifinals without any particularly surprising results in the QFs. The women have the top two ACC players playing each other and two others playing as underdogs, so likely only one semifinalist.
     
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    From the UVa story today:

     
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    The ACC wins the men's and women's singles titles.
     
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    Also, a finalist in each championship match came out of the John McEnroe Academy (Loeb and Rubin). I'm sure that's going into the next round of marketing for the academy.
     
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    Also, from the UVA story

    The championship was Virginia's sixth individual NCAA title since 2007 (three singles and three doubles), a sum that is twice as many as any other school during that period.
     
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    Bresky pulled in Blue Chipper Dennis Uspensky so if Rubin stays that'll be a stout top 3 with Rubin, Bogaerts, and Uspensky.

    With the signing coming a little later it makes you wonder if Rubin is as good as gone and Bresky has the extra scholarship to give away. I guess it's possible he could fit them all in though you wonder who's scholly gets cuts to afford him
     
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    Great get for Bresky. I assumed Uspensky was going pro. Hopefully this isn't an indication that Rubin is gone. I'll wager that Rubin is coming back.

    Who else is out there in top 10 18s that hasn't committed somewhere already or hasn't turned pro? It looks like Alex Rybakov is one of them. Any others?
     
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    Another great signing for Bresky! I'm obviously biased, but Wake is really building a great tennis program.
     
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    Wake signed another Blue Chip for 2016, Nikola Samardzic.
     
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    Rubin has to be gone with those signings coming in
     
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    It'd be a surprise if Rubin stays at Wake for his sophomore year.
     
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    I don't think Nikola committing has anything to do with Rubin staying or going. He is a '16, which means he is coming after Romo, Ho, Delcore, and Bloom all graduate.

    Rubin lost 7-5, 6-3 to Tennys Sandgren today in the WS Futures. Life on the circuit isn't easy.
     
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    Here's a list of the top uncommitted athletes from the class of 2015:

    While I can't find anything official, I'm guessing Jimmy Bendeck is heading to Baylor. He's been favoriting lots of tweets about Baylor tennis.

    Joel Link has turned pro, according to his Twitter bio.

    Colin Markes is heading to Texas, according to his high school's principal.

    Jayanth Chintham is going to Georgia Tech, but isn't likely to play tennis per the Forsyth County News.

     
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    TennisRecruiting.net has confirmed that Jimmy Bendeck is heading to Baylor.
     
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    Apparently, Rubin has gone pro. I, honestly, didn't any reason for him to stay with the kind of season he's had. Couple that with his junior results and it's a no-brainer to hit the tour and take his chances. His freshman season simply validated his worth.
     

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