Accusations against former pro Bob Hewitt

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  1. BTURNER

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    The time frame is a huge hurdle for either the apple ( Hall of Fame) or the orange (USPTA) or a watermelon ( police agencies and private investigators employed by the defense) What makes any sense of fairness impossible in the first two is the risk that putting forth a defense compromises the defense against criminal or civil charges. If defending your name in the tennis hall of fame or in front of the USPTA, means providing ammunition or tactical advantages for potential prosecutors or civil tort lawyers that may bankrupt you, you forgo any meaningful specific defense at any hearings with less at risk. That is exactly what your attorneys will tell you to do.

    If these private hearings without any rules of evidence, or conduct are very careful to be fair, the testimony will be woefully incomplete vague and inconclusive. If these private hearings don't care a rats behind about your legal quagmire, they run a kangaroo court.
     
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    BT, you better get on the horn to HBO. It won't be "fair." There hasn't been a judicial hearing on Hewitt's guilt and he certainly can't speak to the matter because his lawyers won't let him, right.

    "http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=404093"

    In fact, by what right did Penn State boot "JoePa" and put that other coach on leave ? There hasn't been a trial or a plea for either. The Grand Jury report is a one-sided story -- no more no less. So Penn State can't make it's own ruling. And HBO a mere TV network certainly can't raise the situation concerning Hewitt.

    HBO is located just around the block from Bryant Square Park, which is not inconvenient for me. If you would like I can stop in this week and note your objection.
     
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    I can see Tshooter cheering from the crowd of toothless peasants while some heretic was being shoved in to a guillotine in Medieval France.
     
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    Three things in cases like this that I will never understand:

    1) Why does the victim never come forward to authorities when it happens

    2) When they actually come forward to their parents, their own parents don't believe them

    3) Why others in the organization would cover it up and defend the perpetrator

    Having never been involved in a sex abuse case in any way, it just boggles my mind every time I read about these cases.
     
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    1) Why does the victim never come forward to authorities when it happens

    BECAUSE THEY'RE CONFUSED AND/OR SCARED OUT OF THEIR WITS

    2) When they actually come forward to their parents, their own parents don't believe them

    BECAUSE SOME PARENTS ARE DUMBASSES, AND CHILDREN HAVE BEEN KNOWN TO EXAGGERATE, AND MAKE THINGS UP

    3) Why others in the organization would cover it up and defend the perpetrator

    MONEY
     
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    Even if they don't have the courage to report the crime, why continue to participate in whatever program it is where they are getting molested over and over? Why not quit?

    Funny though that there are parents like this, but every parent I ever talk to would never turn a blind eye if their child said someone was molesting them. It just boggles my mind.
     
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    "I can see Tshooter cheering from the crowd of toothless peasants while some heretic was being shoved in to a guillotine in Medieval France."

    Your statement doesn't follow from anything I've written.

    Where we actually part is you seem to be on the same page as BT who thinks only an investigation within the context of the criminal justice system is "fair" and if the SOL has run then that's it -- Hewitt home free. A private organization such as the USPTA shouldn't act.

    I not only don't have a problem with the USPTA doing its own investigation at this point in time and making it's own determination whether Hewitt should be associated with it any longer, I think it has to given what the press has reported to date.
     
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    BOKSBURG, South Africa — Former Grand Slam doubles champion Bob Hewitt was charged in a South African court Friday with two counts of **** and one count of sexual assault of minors in cases that date back as far as the early 1980s.

    Prosecutors charged the 73-year-old Hewitt with raping a girl under the age of 16 in 1981 in Sun City in northern South Africa. Hewitt also was charged with raping another girl under 16 in Boksburg, east of Johannesburg, in 1982.


    The heavy-handed PC on this board is ludicrous! Replace the **** in the following URL with a four letter word starting with r, then a, then p, then e to see the story...

    http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2...outh-africa/LRTKdqqxoBCfpCxH1fdQZN/story.html
     
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    Better late than never?? I wonder how difficult it would be to prosecute a case that is over 30 years old and is there a statute of limitations ?
     
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  10. coolhandluke

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    She was and Lendl was approx. 23 -24
     
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    I starting foaming at the mouth a few days ago so a little freaked out by it I went to the emergency room. The doctor said I was fine (though she delicately noted my absence of teeth and thought I might look into dentures). She thought I was probably foaming because (BOB) Hewitt was due back in court October 4.

    Hewitt has (at least according to the reports I've seen) been pursuing that time-honored strategy used by old mobsters and members of the SS and others who grow old evading the judicial system and then when it finally catches up with them they plead "too old" to answer the charges. Ah that old "heretic" Hewitt. Though I think the actual charge that was reported is not heresy but **** and sexual assault. Alas, the good folks that make money off this board think the word for the actual charge, which rhymes with ape, should be censored.

    In any case, the Prosecutor appears to have requested a 3-month delay to consolidate the multiple charges against Hewitt in different jurisdictions into one jurisdiction, where Hewitt lives.

    http://espn.go.com/tennis/story/_/i...ges-****-sexual-assault-postponed-jan-10-2014

    http://www.sportsnet.ca/tennis/hewitt-****-sexual-assault-case-delayed/
     
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    How old is Bob Hewitt now?
     
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    61 or 62.He started playing in the amateur tour around 1961 or 1962
     
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    Bob Hewitt was born on 12 January 1940 in Sydney, Australia but later became a South African citizen. He is now 73.
     
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    There were allegations of King and other lesbian players who sexually assaulted fellow female players too.
     
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    In many states there is NO statute of limitations on felonies.

    Not defending this guy AT ALL......BUT,

    Accusation does not equal guilt.

    See the McMartin preschool case.

    I have had clients in the past falsely accused (and truly accused, to coin a phrase) of this kind of thing, but usually in a divorce context. Usually a false accusation falls apart pretty quickly. However, little kids can be told something over and over and reinforced by the "a little child will never lie" social worker types. Those are the toughest. Especially where there is no physical evidence at all. (and there very often is none)
     
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    agree, that was the 70s. the sexual revolution already started 10 years ago.
     
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    You want to edit your post? Don't let Mauresmo see it...
     
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    LOL, that's a good one.

    I doubt she molested anyone. she's actually not bad looking.

    [​IMG]
     
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    Vilas beat him in the French Open 1972 in 5 sets. Was something unexpected.
     
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    yes, bu it was 73.Gimeno was 37 and Vilas had had some good results former year
     
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    Has anything new developed about this?

    Will there be a trial? Has there been a trial? Things seem to be moving very slowly.
     
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    The last thing I read were online reports back in the summer, 2014 which had the trial set for February 2015.

    http://tinyurl.com/mdxg4he
     
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    ^^Thanks. This guy seems to be the Bill Cosby of tennis. Except that he's actually going to have a trial where his accusers will be under oath.

    I wonder if they have a statute of limitations in South Africa?
     
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    I can now drop the word alleged before the phrase rapist Bob Hewitt.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/03/23/us-safrica-hewitt-idUSKBN0MJ0UQ20150323

    I wonder if the $840 bail amount is an omen for the Judges willingness to entertain the standard "I'm too old/sick to actually do any time" which presumably will be trotted out, again, during the sentencing phase.

    BT Turner, I already gave you on another thread heads up that it's time for you to get at it with your appeal. Maybe you can contact Jay1 (who seems to have disappeared from this board after his last and great post on another thread related to Bob Hewitt) and put a nice brief together: he can concentrate on Guantanamo Bay and gun ownership in America and you can concentrate on general due process concerns and fruit analogies.
     
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    Why do you intentionally misconstrue my position time and again? I have NEVER expressed any due process concerns or reservations on this trial.

    My point all along had to do with efforts remove him from the Hall of Fame prematurely with no ability to defend himself there, because such an effort would compromise his defense here and attorneys would have had to tie his hands in their process. That was the kangaroo court, not this one. Now is when I think the HOF should have sought to remove him . Hell the conviction in a criminal court alone is enough. Please stop pretending you did not understand then, and do not understand now.
     
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    I enjoy your due process lectures using fruit, that's why.
     
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    Indeed. Now is the time for action - if we decide personal/criminal activity should influence HOF selection.

    The fact that he ultimately was found guilty in NO WAY justifies the premature lynch-mob calls or justice. In fact...the outcome has no bearing....it's unfortunate that some will probably see this as justification for their premature, and ignorant judgments.
     
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    Absolutely true. This verdict validates a process including its conclusion, not any conclusions drawn without a process or any conclusions drawn from a compromised process.
     
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    On that we agree.

    Bob Hewitt should have been kicked out of the HOF once those women FIRST came forward. Because BEST CASE SCENARIO several former students now middle-aged with nothing in common but their tennis lessons with Hewitt decided to interrupt their lives because they were convinced he sexually abused them as kids, which even if he were innocent would still make him one of the world's worst tennis instructors and therefore not fit for the HOF.

    You are aware no doubt HOF hired outside counsel to conduct an investigation.
     
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    I won't rehash all my points, again, regarding your notion that a disciplinary proceeding outside of the criminal justice system is by it's nature a "kangaroo court" (to use your term) when there is any possibility of some future criminal action because the defendant, in your view, can't mount a full-bodied defense.

    The idea put into practice could promote some really bad behavior.

    No, today I focus on your child-like faith in the criminal justice system. That process is apparently above reproach. What planet are your originally from, just out of curiosity ?
     
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    Throwing him out of the hall "validated a process," as well. to wit, allegations by the victims, an investigation by outside counsel and then a meeting(s) by the board which resulted in kicking his a## out. (technically they wussed out as I recall merely suspending him indefinitely).

    You simply don't accept that any process other than the criminal justice system is legit. Outside of that as far as behavior you're a huge Cole Porter fan -- Anything Goes.
     
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  36. Frank Silbermann

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    Couldn't they simply transfer him from the Tennis HOF to the Tennis HOI (hall of infamy)?
     
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    His artristy in doubles will always make him an all team great

    what happened off court is left to the judges, not to tennis people
     
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    Is that supposed to imply he should stay (be reinstated) in the HOF ? Or did you just need to go out of your way and disclose (I think again) how his raping his students doesn't dint the Bob glow for you ?

    Yeh, in the HOF so long as there is a big asterisk at the HOF mentioning that he was convicted of multiple counts of raping some of his tennis students so people have his full tennis related record available in their heads after their museum tour and just before they sit down for lunch.

    It's a win-win. You can continue to pleasure yourself when thinking of his doubles artistry and HOF membership and I can be satisfied there is a more complete picture available of his tennis related activities.

    I don't think even those that thought the HOF was premature in their action would support keeping the guy in now unless they thought he was innocent.

    If not innocent, this would appear to me to pose an insurmountable hurdle: "with consideration given to integrity, sportsmanship and character."

    Your post was pure troll-bait and a very odd choice of thread to do it. I am an idiot "with little intelligence" for having responded. +1 for you. Well played sir.
     
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    did you watch his doubles matches?
     
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    I hadn't heard of this. But I read a good deal of tennis history (I like history; I like tennis; put together, it's twice as nice). And it's pretty obvious that there was a female pro tour climate of oppression by lesbians.

    I get a kick out of the OP. In 2015, about the only thing that all of us can find basic agreement on is that child sexual abuse is a very bad thing.

    The rest. . . well, not so much consensus. Not much genuine social fabric; simply courts and policemen.
     
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    I think the real problem between you two is coming to an understanding about what constitutes a DEFINITIVE assessment of the facts in the case. . .

    Now, it's true, a handful of us could---with sufficient resources and power---gather together each and every relevant fact. . . and we could come to a reasonable determination of the facts of the accusation.

    However, at the end of the day, our little study group's assessment really only has credibility as an informed opinion.

    Like it or not, the courts get to determine, with finality, the relevant facts here, and the courts, even though hugely flawed, get the right to exercise the police force of the state through its assessment.

    . . . even though our study group may have done a better job, and may have appreciated the situation better!

    We lack authority, hence final legitimacy, in our assessment.
     
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    Some. Not much. I honestly found that team somewhat creepy through my kid eyes. As much for Frew's weird (to me) head gear as his now infamous partner who looked like an old man at the time compared to most players I did watch.

    If I was watching doubles then it was usually JMac/Fleming or maybe Dent and that guy from Texas he played with. But I wasn't watching much doubles.

    FYI, I had to again unblock you which blocking I did not do for anything your ever posted as far as noxious content. It was the incessant remember player X posting spam with no actual content. You seem to have given up that hobby for the time being, thankfully, so I can now read your troll posts, again. But I reserve the right to block you again if you start that spam. :twisted:
     
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    I wish I had the patience to decipher more of your post but, alas, I do not. To the extent I think I followed it, disagreement less over the facts so much as over what process is appropriate and fair to investigate/punish in what contexts (e.g., criminal case v. HOF). But I didn't go back and read the old posts.

    I suspect there may have been posters that were hiding behind SOL, due process and other "concerns" with respect to both any HOF process or any criminal case because they never liked the case from the get go.
     
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    I've seen a little bit, and it doesn't matter. I'm one of the people that thinks personal conduct should influence HOF inclusion, but you'd probably be able to figure that out from my post below. I also believed that he needed to be found guilty before anything was to be decided on. As that's done with...

    Bob Hewitt's tennis will never be forgotten. History will never omit his wins and losses with McMillan, and in that way he will always be a part of the game, and rightfully so. Those achievements could not and should not be erased.

    With that said, personally speaking I think that's as far as it should go. He needs to be booted from the HOF - acknowledging that he was a player and he won X tournaments is one thing, but he's lost the right to be celebrated. He's lost the right to be one of the players that people watch old highlights of and wax romantic about how good the old days were. He's lost the right to be mentioned in polite company with anything other than utter disdain. He threw all that away the minute he did what he did. Good riddance to bad rubbish.

    Some may feel I'm being too harsh. Whatever. You were a good player, Bob. It's a shame that because you decided to be a horrible person, no one's going to care about that years down the line. Oh, some might remember - but outside of a few, they won't care. They'll be too busy focusing on how good McMillan was while trying very hard to ignore the other man beside him.
     
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    not Dent but Denton from Texas.He played with...another southafrican.... how curious¡¡¡ called Kevin Curren ( who was a student at Texas University where he met Denton).Both were reputed by their serve ( One of the best doubles teams ever as far as hard serving is concerned just the right opposite to the finesse and class of Mc Millan and...Hewitt¡¡¡.)

    Dent was an australian and usually teamed up with his countryman John Alexander
     
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    Funny thing when I said the guy from Texas I was actually thinking of Denton (yes, Denton, not Dent). I forgot the player I actually am much more familiar with which was Curren. Who you jogged my memory about is from South Africa but I not only repressed that I repressed Curren entirely. :shock:
     
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    OK.Curren and Denton had a monumental incident at their USO doubles final in 1982, which they won against the other team of big servers of the era, giants Victor Amaya and Hank Pfister.
     
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