adios burdette!

Discussion in 'College Tennis Talk' started by mikej, Sep 7, 2012.

  1. mikej

    mikej Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Jun 10, 2004
    Messages:
    2,385
    #1
  2. SoCal10s

    SoCal10s Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    May 5, 2008
    Messages:
    2,778
    good for her... good luck...
     
    #2
  3. tacoben

    tacoben Semi-Pro

    Joined:
    Jan 7, 2008
    Messages:
    504
    Location:
    Foggy Town USA
    Wow! Just one year shy of graduating from one of the nation"s finest universitiies. I don't get it. :(
     
    #3
  4. mikej

    mikej Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Jun 10, 2004
    Messages:
    2,385
    doesn't make a lot of sense to me either

    like thacher, she's interested in being a doctor according to a lot of the articles

    and like thacher, she's going to be pretty old by the time she finishes residency etc after taking a few years to give it a go at pro tennis...she'll have to put in a couple years finishing her college degree, taking pre-med reqs, and applying before she even thinks about med school

    hard to tell someone not to take their shot at the glory of being a star athlete, but come on, who's the career counselor for stanford's tennis teams
     
    #4
  5. Satsuma Illini

    Satsuma Illini Semi-Pro

    Joined:
    Apr 24, 2012
    Messages:
    648
    Passing up 65,00 bucks (or whatever it was) was just too hard to pass up maybe.
     
    #5
  6. mikej

    mikej Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Jun 10, 2004
    Messages:
    2,385
    she didn't get that money...turned pro after us open, she talked about it in her us open interviews actually how it's too late now to not check that amateur box
     
    #6
  7. mikej

    mikej Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Jun 10, 2004
    Messages:
    2,385
    what she did get of course is the 3rd rd us open ranking pts which will allow her to not work her way up from the bottom

    capra was able to pass up the draw of all those points a few years ago, but looks like burdette thinks she can make it, we'll see, maybe...
     
    #7
  8. Satsuma Illini

    Satsuma Illini Semi-Pro

    Joined:
    Apr 24, 2012
    Messages:
    648
    Yeah I know, but it's hard to not think about the next one though.
     
    #8
  9. BHSC

    BHSC New User

    Joined:
    Jul 27, 2008
    Messages:
    61
    Like you said, the rankings points are the key reason. It takes a lot of effort to work your way up from the bottom.

    Burdette is now #159. That's a huge head start.

    I support her decision. With a ranking that high, at the very least, she had to take the fall off to play pro events (like Johnson did last year). Though as we've seen with Stanford's scheduling (especially not playing the Team indoor), it's not like she's missing much competition. Last year, Stanford only played two decent teams (California & Florida) before mid-April.

    Their scheduling means that their "competitive season" is really just about 6-8weeks.


    Capra also had her ranking way up there. Certainly, could have understood her decision either way.

    Would think that the difference with Burdette is that Burdette could piggyback her results prior to the US Open: two tournament wins, including a $100,000 level tournament, Vancouver.


    By the way, I got to see some of the Capra/Will match in the NCAAs in Athens. Capra was the better player on the court and was in control most of the match. She frustrated and was able to out grind Will.

    She ran into a hot Burdette (who is better at ending points) in the Singles.

    Also, after Capra has another dominant year, I'm not sure how she (her tennis) benefits from staying for a Senior season.
     
    #9
  10. mikej

    mikej Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Jun 10, 2004
    Messages:
    2,385
    i wouldn't put too much money on her leaving after her sophomore or junior seasons - she has two interesting examples around her to think about...

    cecil coaching her, who went pro after the most dominant season a rookie has had in a long long time, leading the team to the title and taking the singles crown...we know how that worked out, i think she'd like to have been on the court rather than the sidelines the past few years

    and cunha who is staying for his senior season after being the #1 seed in NCAAs as a freshman - he'll be taking his shot at the pros in a year with a solid degree and future ahead of him if he fails

    not to mention guys like ramsey smith and michael yani hanging around the program who can tell you first hand how difficult it is to break through on tour
     
    #10
  11. bluetrain4

    bluetrain4 Legend

    Joined:
    Feb 2, 2007
    Messages:
    8,866
    While that's all true, I don't see the problem. If she fizzles out on tour, or even if she has a relatively long successful career, if she really wants to be a doctor, she'll make it happen. So what if she'll be "pretty old" by the time she finishes her residency. If she's okay with it, why would it be a problem? If it's a little extra work, a less traveled path, big deal.
     
    #11
  12. mikej

    mikej Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Jun 10, 2004
    Messages:
    2,385
    sure, if she really wants it, she'll make it happen

    and i don't know what her family financial situation is, so she may or may not be in a huge amount of debt heading into the second half of her 30s if she were to go that route - may or may not be a big deal

    but in my experience, there are very few people (a handful of exceptions, sure) in med school who have taken a significant amount of time away from academics (some are a bit older, but usually research, a masters, etc filled the interim)...and i think the reason isn't hard to figure out - it's hard to go from even college with classes just a couple hours a day to much longer days of sitting in lecture halls or pouring over notes in med school - the transition is that much harder after years away from the classroom entirely - and most people like to be making some money at that point in their life

    thacher and burdette certainly have control over their futures, go for it if they think they can play pro tennis for a few years then go back to the (pre-reqs / standardized tests / applications / sitting in class all day for the first two years if they get in somewhere) route - i think it's extremely unlikely and i just hope they've thought about the level of academic energy they'll have left after a few years having fun playing tennis
     
    #12
  13. socaltennnis

    socaltennnis Rookie

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2008
    Messages:
    188
    You're from Duke right? There's a Stanford tennis player, KJ Hippensteel, who played for Stanford for 4 years, went pro, got to rank 150, is now in his 30's, just graduated from Duke Med this past spring. He should be in internship year somewhere.
     
    #13
  14. mikej

    mikej Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Jun 10, 2004
    Messages:
    2,385
    yep, awesome guy - followed his career a good bit since he grew up around my area of the country

    1) i'm not saying no one ever does it - just becomes a much more unlikely path - again, good for them if they go for it and follow kj's example

    but

    2) he had a HUGE advantage over them, having graduated from stanford as a bio major (and thus likely having all of the pre-reqs out of the way by the time he graduated, though i'm not positive on that)..............that's probably a 2 year advantage over thacher (per the articles i've seen, a history major who will have to go somewhere for pre-med reqs as a post-grad) and a 3 year advantage over burdette (who will have to finish off her BA in psychology and then get those medicine pre-reqs done)

    so yes, someone who had a couple year advantage over them due to his undergraduate choices has pulled it off, credit to him
     
    #14
  15. mikej

    mikej Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Jun 10, 2004
    Messages:
    2,385
    anyway, not trying to have a thread arguing over the futures of these two people, they'll both come up with something great to do after they're done with tennis i'm sure, maybe something that makes a lot more money or they end up liking better than medicine

    just brought it up because it seems odd to me that two different people taking off from stanford this year with the stated goal of becoming doctors 1) didn't seem to really do anything to move toward that goal during their undergrad years and 2) seem to think they'll jump right back into it after time on tour per the articles that have been written - i don't think it's that easy - i doubt kj would make it sound that easy either, even when he did much more of the preparation while at stanford
     
    Last edited: Sep 10, 2012
    #15
  16. tball2day

    tball2day Semi-Pro

    Joined:
    Jun 21, 2011
    Messages:
    603
    .............
     
    Last edited: Oct 26, 2012
    #16
  17. mikej

    mikej Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Jun 10, 2004
    Messages:
    2,385
    she did end up getting the 65K - per zootennis's interview posted on tennisrecruiting site

    so perhaps that did factor in the decision - she's already hiring a coach to travel with her, so that certainly helps offset some expenses
     
    #17
  18. floridatennisdude

    floridatennisdude Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Feb 9, 2012
    Messages:
    1,975
    WoW, I have no doubts that Mallory has the tools for the tour. I am surprised how easy it was for her to flip-flop on the amateur status mid-tournament.

    Part of me says "that's great, she earned it"

    Another part of me thinks it's dangerous for other juniors to see it can be done mid-tournament. I envision an 18 y/o WC getting on an unsustainable hot streak and taking a few thousand bucks. That'd be it for college for a kid without the tools Mallory has.
     
    #18
  19. NLBwell

    NLBwell Legend

    Joined:
    Jun 18, 2004
    Messages:
    7,166
    Having a second career as a doctor? Seems like a pretty good thing to me.
     
    #19
  20. Nostradamus

    Nostradamus G.O.A.T.

    Joined:
    Nov 30, 2011
    Messages:
    13,243
    Location:
    In the future
    pretty good but you will still be a medical resident at age 36. It's not as easy as you think. She still has to get married and have children. Longer you wait, more chance of problems with having a baby. She can do it but it is going to be alot of hard work.
     
    #20
  21. BHSC

    BHSC New User

    Joined:
    Jul 27, 2008
    Messages:
    61
    While we have heard different thoughts on Burdette, I'm curious to know what you guys think of Allie Will's decision to skip her senior season. Her current ranking is in the #600s.
     
    #21
  22. floridatennisdude

    floridatennisdude Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Feb 9, 2012
    Messages:
    1,975
    She's in the 400's actually: http://www.itftennis.com/procircuit/players/player/profile.aspx?playerid=100067623

    I've said previously that I think Allie jumped the gun. Apparently, she promised her family that she would finish up with school, but she felt the timing was right to turn pro now.

    I don't get it. She hadn't won anything to brag about in the pros yet and she doesn't look "pro-ready". I hope for the best for Allie, but another year at UF would've been more beneficial than being off the tour would have hurt. Even taking the fall off would've been a better move to get tour experience and still finish her degree.
     
    Last edited: Sep 17, 2012
    #22
  23. NLBwell

    NLBwell Legend

    Joined:
    Jun 18, 2004
    Messages:
    7,166
    Nothing wrong with hard work. Gives life more meaning.
     
    #23
  24. Nostradamus

    Nostradamus G.O.A.T.

    Joined:
    Nov 30, 2011
    Messages:
    13,243
    Location:
    In the future
    I like that. you should make that a quote for the historians. what kind of more meaning are you talking about ?
     
    #24
  25. BruceG

    BruceG Rookie

    Joined:
    Feb 21, 2007
    Messages:
    136
    Location:
    La Jolla
    Geez bud, you do realise it's the 21st century don't you? Seriously, put down the pipe and get a clue.
     
    #25
  26. sureshs

    sureshs Bionic Poster

    Joined:
    Oct 1, 2005
    Messages:
    35,705
    Less work gives more time to think about life's meaning
     
    #26
  27. ClarkC

    ClarkC Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Jul 27, 2008
    Messages:
    3,771
    Location:
    Charlottesville, VA
    Do you have any new scientific information you can share with us about fertility rates by age, the correlations of various birth defects with the ages of the father and mother, and so on? Or is your position that you wish all this were not true, so you will deny it?
     
    #27
  28. dennis10is

    dennis10is Banned

    Joined:
    Jun 19, 2005
    Messages:
    2,033
    Location:
    Long Island, NY
    That's right. As a woman, it is her duty to get married and bear many children to replenish the population after the Second American Civil War. Her career is a distant second.
     
    #28
  29. treeman10

    treeman10 Semi-Pro

    Joined:
    May 25, 2011
    Messages:
    514
    I didn't think you could resist this thread and the direction it was heading. :)
     
    Last edited: Sep 20, 2012
    #29
  30. Nostradamus

    Nostradamus G.O.A.T.

    Joined:
    Nov 30, 2011
    Messages:
    13,243
    Location:
    In the future
    All women want to bear children. it is in their genetic makeup and evolutionary instinct. and take care of their children and feed them their milk. It is in the genes.
     
    #30
  31. mikej

    mikej Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Jun 10, 2004
    Messages:
    2,385
    this thread is fantastic - i hope somewhere burdette is laughing at all of this
     
    Last edited: Sep 22, 2012
    #31
  32. BHSC

    BHSC New User

    Joined:
    Jul 27, 2008
    Messages:
    61
    Congrats to Burdette for making it through 3 rounds of qualifying into the main draw of the WTA event in Linz, Austria.

    She beat the world #58 and top seed in qualifying, Begu, in the final round of qualies and beat the #109 in the first round.

    Keep it up Mallory!

    Go College Tennis!
     
    #32
  33. db379

    db379 Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Mar 16, 2007
    Messages:
    1,608
    Great news! Go Stanford, go Cardinal.
     
    #33
  34. db379

    db379 Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Mar 16, 2007
    Messages:
    1,608
    Burdette going strong, she won 1st round match at WTA Linz today.
     
    #34
  35. floridatennisdude

    floridatennisdude Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Feb 9, 2012
    Messages:
    1,975
    I looked at the stats. Looked like she returned serve very well on a mediocre serving day for herself. Tight match that was a couple points here and there. Impressive mental battle!
     
    #35
  36. db379

    db379 Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Mar 16, 2007
    Messages:
    1,608
    Yes, she is playing great at the moment. Saw her play her match today and she can hang in there and beat some strong WTA players. When i think she was playing the NCAAs just a few months ago, I am really impressed by her mental strength and her attitude on the court. Well done!
     
    #36
  37. Joeyg

    Joeyg Semi-Pro

    Joined:
    Feb 21, 2004
    Messages:
    747
    Location:
    Sarcasm, USA
    OMG. Just saw this. I know of several women that find this sexist. Boy, does this post sound like it came from a "Standford" grad.
     
    #37
  38. cmb

    cmb Semi-Pro

    Joined:
    Apr 27, 2005
    Messages:
    791
    ^^ its a classic post
     
    #38

Share This Page