ADPGT: Why the fuss?

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  1. MindoverMatter

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    I'm sorry, but I have a hard time believing you found this racquet to be heavy...My friend uses one (French Open version actually but they're the same thing) and I hit with it once. It felt like a toy in my hands it was so light compared to my usual frame, and the throat felt weird as well...I could never get used to that if I tried
     
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  2. Hi I'm Ray

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    ^^Maybe he's coming from one of the many tweeners that have a much lower SW. Its actually got a healthy SW of 331 in stock. A little customizing will fix the light static weight if you're used to a heavier frame. Mine is customized & many players frames actually swing too light in comparison.

    I'm sure you could
     
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  3. Boricua

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    Its all relative. I can never get used to a players frame and the Aero feels natural in my hands, and I can hit my topspin shots with ease.
     
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  4. Govnor

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    I only demo'd it. It played decently but nothing about it lept out at me. It's a solid tweener that checks a lot of boxes. I can see why it's popular.
     
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  5. davo81

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    A couple of reasons why where I live the Babolat seems to be more popular than the Head:

    - Most of the coaches in our high performance program think that Babolat racquets are better suited to competitive teenagers who use a lot of topspin than Head racquets

    - Babolat is more common - and people always buy what they see others use

    - Head has a really nasty way of naming its racquets - who wants to buy something that is called Head Youtek IG Speed MP 315 18x20? Babolat has a much cleaner way of naming its racquets - two main lines (AeroPro Drive, Pure Drive), "Lite" if it's light, "Plus" if its long. Plus Babolat's heavy focus on these two product lines means that people find it easier to decide what to buy - if you want power, buy PD, if you want spin, buy APD.

    - Many Head racquets look pretty lame. Babolat has good graphics, especially in the current versions.

    - Head has a very non-standard handle shape.

    - Let's face it, Nadal is a LOT more popular than Djokovic. Check the number of facebook likes: Nadal 11.3 million, Djokovic 2.3 million. (For comparison: Federer 11.6 million, A. Murray 0.8 million.)

    - Head marketing is relatively traditional in nature, with a focus on the brand's past. Babolat marketing on the other hand is "cool". Exudes a passion for tennis. Uses catchy (and ridiculous, but still) nicknames for their athletes.

    - Also, while Head probably sponsors more top 100 athletes than Babolat, Babolat has made some very clever choices. In the ATP and especially the WTA top 10 they are well represented. In the ATP top 10 for instance the sponsor the close second in terms of overall popularity (Nadal) as well as the top athlete in the brand's home country (Tsonga). Do you think Head benefits very much from sponsoring A. Murray or Berdych? I doubt it. They live off Djokovic, who is a distant third in overall popularity. Fortunately for them they also have Sharapova, who judging from her Facebook likes (8.2 million) is a lot more popular than Djokovic. Do you think Prince benefits very much from sponsoring Ferrer or Isner (or the Bryan Brothers, for that matter)? I doubt it. Do you think Tecnifibre benefits very much from sponsoring Tipsarevic? I doubt it. I haven't seen any Tecnifibre racquets out in the wild. Do you think Wilson benefits very much from sponsoring del Potro? I doubt it. They live off Federer, and will have a big problem once he retires. Fortunately for them they are well represented in the WTA side of things.

    Speaking about the racquet itself: I have never played with the Head, hence cannot comment on it or compare the two. But I have two APDs and like them very much - just the right weight, easy to zip through the air, tons of spin, great serves, reasonably quick at the net. Even for a first-timer this racquet is OK. It's very versatile and, to me, doesn't have any obvious weaknesses.

    Those are my views on why the APD is a lot more popular than the Head.
     
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  6. Bartelby

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    Its really is a matter of preference.

    Love the Head graphics and the handle shape.

    Like the names as well and its all very simple as there are four main lines.

    Head is also pitched to young adults, whereas Babolat's (and Nike's) audience is teenagers.
     
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  7. Hi I'm Ray

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    ^^ I don't know what's going on with the Instinct pj, but the Rad, prestige, & speed of the current head line are some of the best pj's I've seen from the last few years. Interesting colors on the extreme 2.0's as well.
     
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  8. Vcore89

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    Just listen to the pre-teens these days, upon hearing Barbie as nickname for Babolat...hmmm, pretty sure the next wave (specially now that Andy is retired and Rafa's health yet to be determined) of its players will be back to the ladies and girls. Didn't Kim Clijsters spearhead its upward boom with the PDs more than A-Rod did?:wink:
     
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  9. Vcore89

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    Head should just shorten their Radical line to RAD since there is no real standard bearer after Andre retired. Rad is most popular with kids while the Prestige line is here to stay and shall remain...
     
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  10. tistrapukcipeht

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    Babolat is gonna soon lose a lot of market, roddick retired, cljisters as well, Nadal only next year, they only have Tsonga and Bennetteau and Querrey as far as I can remember, Wilson and Head completely dominate still.

    As far as the quality of those racquets, I have never play tested something so bad like these Babolats, they completely suck.
     
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  11. Vcore89

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    Get some leverage. Apportion ROI to Barbie and Ken since that's what kids are calling them these days. Win-win situ? Will never know of course. But their Storm series are great.
     
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  12. Power Player

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    The beter you get the better you can control the Babs power and then it boils down to deciding if that is for you or not.

    I think Babolat makes very good racquets. when it comes to feel, the PDs are much better now. I respect any stick that can be used from any level player...that is pretty cool. At the same time, I dont think demand for a nice solid racquet with some flex will ever go away, and that is where babolat falls short....or do they? Rumor is they are remaking the Pure Storm with some Samprassy specs...
     
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  13. Vcore89

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    Sampras-sy specs? Hmmm, how about mold an 88 sq in ala KF88?:) I'm sure the Storms can be that solid.
     
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  14. EDK

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    Every person I played who used an APDGT at 4.0 hit a noticeably heavy ball, making it tougher to deal with.
     
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  15. Ramon

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    For every one of those heavy balls from a 4.0 player, there are 2 balls that sailed long! LOL
     
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  16. Down_the_line

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    I'm nowhere close to being an authority on racquets but it seems to me that the Pure Drives, and now the AeroPro Drives, sort of revolutionized the racquet industry by being great frames for everyone.

    They're powerful, yet controlled, reasonably weighted with room to customize, they have great spin potential, great for singles and doubles etc. etc. They're well rounded racquets that appeal to a lot of players. Simple as that.
     
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  17. Down_the_line

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    Even I'm considering switching to it for the simple reason that I'm stressing out trying to find the perfect racquet for me, as my Speeds just aren't cutting it even after a year with them. It's getting to the point where I'm saying to myself "Screw it, just buy a couple APDGT's. Problem solved". Lol.
     
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  18. Ramon

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    I used to play with the APDGT. I switched less than a year ago.

    There are some very appealing things about the racquet. It has a huge sweetspot, easy to maneuver, has plenty of power, good for spin, and it has a solid feel. That being said, it's tough on the arm and has too much power for a lot of players who take full swings and aren't gifted with the shot making ability of Rafael Nadal.

    For me, it was fun to hit with it and feel all that power, but long-term it's just not my type of racquet. Maybe it's good for you or maybe it's not, but no racquet is a panacea, and if you expect it to be everything you ever wanted in a racquet, you'll most likely be disappointed.
     
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  19. davydenko_fan

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    racket "feel" is totally dependent on the player. what feels great to one, may feel awful to another. currently, i use this racket and love the feedback. i appreciate the stiffness and have never had any injury at all while using this frame. while i used a prince frame years ago (prince o3 tour) i developed some acute tennis elbow and immediately ditched it. i think the aeropro drive is a good racket but i will not bash other rackets to place this one above others. i am simply putting in my opinion of how i feel about this frame.
     
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  20. morandi

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    I think to me the biggest asset of the Pure Drives is their unbelievable forgiveness for the average player, yet can be weapons when you are on point. I find there is very little adjustment period with these racquets, which allows you to get going very quickly.
    I have struggled finding a racquet that does this as well, because I am not the hugest fan of the way they feel in play. I am currently playing with the Head Radical Pro, which while has been working well for me, and I love the feel of the racquet, I have been struggling a bit on second serve consistency, which when I played with the ADPGT was never an issue. Definitely a technique issue, but I guess what I'm saying is that the ADPGT and pure drive are more forgiving if your technique falters slightly under pressure.
     
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  21. Ross K

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    Have to say I played the Juice 100 for the first time earlier today and I thought, well, the APD has a rival now IMO re the power and spin combination you refer to.
     
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  22. Thepowerofchoice

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    I just bought a APD Original. Does it play much different than APDGT?
     
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  23. Ross K

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    For me the differences between the Original black APD and later iterations are very small. I like the slightly lower RA and find there's a tad better touch/feel. These are minor aspects though.
     
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  24. ArliHawk

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    Looking forward to the review of the 2013 version. From Andy and Chris' comments, it sounds like it's a good update.
     
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  25. db10s

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    The APD is a horrible frame... Its is overwhelmingly stiff. It looks gross. And plays like a Wal-Mart racket.
     
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  26. Roforot

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    I'm wondering, why is it that the APD seems to be valued for groundstrokes and heavy spin over the Pure Drive which is notorious for being a serving machine... is it really a function of the racquet and specs or the pros who use the respective frame?

    I've said in other posts, I am most surprised about the Pure Drive Roddick by how well I hit touch shots (droppers and lobs)... haven't seen anyone else praise the frame for this.
     
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  27. srvnvly

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    I'm guessing plow through as the reason, therefore specs; the Roddick version has great plow through, it's just a little heavy for some of us. If you can touch shots with the 2012 PDR more than an hour into a match, it's a stick that definitely fits you. I really liked PDR, but I had arm fatigue later into a match.
     
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  28. Ross K

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    Well, for me, all I can say is the APD hits a higher trajectory, slightly spinnier, slightly heavier groundstroke. The higher SW is a major factor. I think it's maybe to do with the throat too actually. Anyone who's played an APD for any length of time before knows what I mean when I say it just has a unique feel from the backcourt - the ball seems to 'blast' and 'boom' off the strings. However, though it seems to make for a spinnier ball (in some people's views), I tend to the opinion it's more just a by-product of the power. There's a lot of it inherent in the APD, though, a little strangely, it's true IMO that the PD serves with more power and action. That said, with mods, string choices, tensions, etc, these frames can be made to play extremely close to each other. As I'm presently looking at a PD 2012, I'm trying to achieve this very result.
     
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  29. Fuji

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    Man you're nuts! :razz:

    I think the APD original is sweet. Lower flex with good feel. Super classic tweener which is awesome.

    -Fuji
     
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  30. Ross K

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    Yaaaaaawn.
     
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  31. db10s

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    The original isn't bad, but its downhill from there.
     
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  32. Roforot

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    Cool. I actually went to a tennis camp as a final test. I had no problems hitting FHs and drop shots even up to the last day.

    I've played against a couple of 4.5 players and coincidentally they all used some version of the APD. They all had spinny serves (good thing) and hit heavy high looping shots. It's what led me to the PDR as I felt I needed to be able to keep the ball deep when they push me back 5-6' behind the baseline. In talking they say similar things about the frame... one person also thought it might be the aerodynamic shape of the throat/head!

    I never tried out the APD b/c I was confused by all the different versions especially w/ a new one coming in 2013 whereas most people agreed the 2012 PDR is the best versions.

    I'm hesitant to buy a second PDR2012 till I try out the new APD and/or Wilson Steam 99s. I had preconceptions about the PDR, what if the APD is even a better fit?
     
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  33. Roforot

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    It looks like TW is also doing some testing of the new APD.
     
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  34. Muppet

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    I've sold skis and cameras. If I were working in a store that sold racquets, and a customer had no idea what they needed and was leaving it up to me to recommend something, (after recommending demos) I would show them an APD. Most people are too lazy to do any of their own research, so I would sell them a racquet that is a pretty safe guess. There are plenty of racquets that people will have to acclimate themselves to. Why not sell them one that they will be able to enjoy within a couple of days?

    Don't get me wrong, if someone has questions about specific racquets I'll gladly engage them in a conversation. But for someone who isn't even very interested, I'll take the path of least resistance. This is another reason people buy the popular racquet, besides Rafa'a endorsement.
     
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