Aeroprodrive - Unique?

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  1. Boricua

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    In another thread someone mentioned the uniqueness of the Aeropro.

    What makes it unique and different from other rackets?
     
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  2. martin

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    Nothing. I have two Aeropro's and the racket is superstiff and too powerful.
    My vantage rackets are ten times better!!
     
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  3. VOLLEY KING

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    I am the someone. LOL.

    As I said the frame design is revolutionary.

    Every other racquet has about the same beam width throughout

    The Aero is very wide in some places and much thinner I'm others.

    In fact TW has no idea what the hell the beam width actually is and lists its as
    "0.0"???? Anyone know why?
     
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    Were you not aware of the proliferation of racket designs in the late 80's/early 90's?
     
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  5. Timbo's hopeless slice

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    sigh, obviously not...
     
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  6. VOLLEY KING

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    Sure I am ....they were awesome. The Mcgregor , the snauwert ergonom, the Bosworth Fox !

    All unique for sure .

    But the APD is unique as well. It's the first and only racquet with that shape. 20 years from now they will be talking about the APD the way we talk about 80's racquets.
     
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  7. Timbo's hopeless slice

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    I rather doubt that, lol. You imply that babolat invented the variable beam tweener, this is just not the case, such racquets have been around for years.
     
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  8. VOLLEY KING

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    I didn't think I was implying it .....I actually said it.

    But please be my guest .....prove me wrong . Go for it.
     
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  9. SFrazeur

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    Are you claiming they originated the variable beam width tweener racuqet? Not just an aero wing like beams?

    -SF
     
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    Racquets with variations in beam widths for performance, feel, stability, etc have been around for years.

    Yonex had it with their OPS Metal racquets. Their OPS racquets first came out in the mid-late 1970s.

     
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    I have always hated Babolat, I guess because I like the touch, feel and volleying of thin beamed player racquets, but I just tried the AeroPro Drive, I am in love, I am have been so ignorant all these years, gonna try the Pure Drive and then decide which I like the best!
     
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  12. Yourtenniscoach

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    Welcome to the dark side. Just know that playing with Babolats are lot like dancing with the devil. You will have flashes of brilliance and at other times you go insane trying to reel in the power they possess.
     
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    BEST STRING SET UP WITH AEROPRO DRIVE GT IS
    SOLINCO TOUR BITE
    55lbs
    =Amazing!
     
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  14. VOLLEY KING

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    You have got to be kidding me ???? You think that idiotic racquet is anything like the sleek aerodynamic aero pro drive???

    Look bro hate the Babolat APD all you want. Call it crap ....I don't care.....

    But the APD is one of a kind love it or hate it.

    The fact is that it's shape is in fact unique that's why it's patented. They wouldn't be able to patent it if it wasn't unique .

    The APD is revolutionary in design. Having said that you are welcome to hate . But it's design is unique because there has been nothing with thy shape before it or after it .
     
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    Yes i have already had this, I use a lot of spin so, I just need to be careful when I hit flat for winners, what do you use:confused:
     
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  16. SFrazeur

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    Never stated it was aerodynamic.

    And I quote:


    The Yonex OPS deigns shows that variable width frames is more than decades old. Moreover, you seem to be grouping variable width and aerodynamic into one.

    -SF
     
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  17. VOLLEY KING

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    the aero pro dive design is patented. You can only patent something if it. Is unique . So the argument is over.

    Having said that "unique" does not mean good. There's a truck load of racquets that are unique but suck. You are welcome to think the APD is crap. But I'm sorry by law it is unique. The court has already ruled on this.
     
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    Find where I called it "crap" or to the like or stated anything remotely negative about the aeropro.


    Where the aeropro would be unique would be with it's proprietary aerodynamic design. As proved, variable width racquets have been around for decades. In your first post you described a variable width beam not specifically an aerodynamic.

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    [​IMG]

    Is this uniquely "arrowdynamic" enough for you?

    -SF
     
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    I didn't say you think it's crap but it is objectively unique.

    In order to patent a product it must be unique.

    When Babolat applied for a patent they had to prove the APD was unique . In 2004 Babolat won it's case in court and the APD design was patented. If anyone copies it then they can be sued for patent infringement.

    The APD has been declared by law to be unique.

    The question of this post was whether there was anything unique about the APD.....nothing more nothing less. No hidden inuendos.

    This matter has already been decided in court and is a non issue. The APD is unique by law . Case closed.

    Move on.
     
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  21. SFrazeur

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    Yes the AeroPro is unique. Just as the new Gamma RZR aerodynamic racquets are unique. Just as the Babolat Aero Tour series, babolat's first "Aero" series is unique: http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/REVIEWS/BATPL/BATPLReview.html

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    Babolat can't sue itself so it is allowed to make as many aero designs as it wants.

    Gamma is nothing like the aero. Check out the beam specs: Beam Width: 22mm / 22mm / 22mm /

    Regardless we all agree apd is unique.

    End of thread.

    This is boring
     
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  23. SFrazeur

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    If patented is the qualifier then we can agree the PS 85, Prince O Port / Speed Port, EXO series of racquets, X-45 and AeroPro are all unique as they contain patented designs propriety to their brands.


    Also, TW lists the RZR 100T Series Beam Width as: 25mm / 26mm / 23mm

    -SF
     
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  24. drakulie

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    The Pro Supex Dynamic Energy racquet has the same mold as the APD.

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    SF strikes again... Brilliant my friend
     
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  26. SFrazeur

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    Lest I forget the Pro Supex (Aero) Dynamic! It's uniquely un-unique I guess.

    -SF
     
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  27. VOLLEY KING

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    Hahaha I love that company . Did you see their yonEx copy? I think it's called the uniflex. They squared off the sides so Yonex couldn't sue them.

    Although I think the yon patent is over....I think you can only patent something for 20 years.
     
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  28. SFrazeur

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    That's true. In the USA anyway.

    -SF
     
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  29. VOLLEY KING

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    I love that company they make me laugh. How do they get away with it?
     
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    Its actually a Donnay Pro One painted to look like a Pro Supex Frame. LOL

    Just kidding. Not sure how they get away with it, or even if they are getting away with anything. Perhaps they claim their design has some minor difference. ????
     
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  31. VOLLEY KING

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    They knock off everything . Did you see the pro supex nano? Omg! They are just so funny.
     
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    So in 20 years they all will be talking about Exo3 ports since their patented as well? how bout d30? My BLX Pro Open is 24/26/24 does that make it worth talking about?
     
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  33. VOLLEY KING

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    Yes

    Yes

    Yes

    No....AeroPro racquets feature a frame with varying profiles at three strategic points: the throat, the shaft and the head of the racquet.
     
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  34. Hi I'm Ray

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    I've got the APDGT as my main racket so obviously I like it, but that stuff above really makes me laugh. Serious over-reaction and way too much drama there.
     
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  35. Timbo's hopeless slice

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    its just too funny, its a big dumb tweener, nothing special except for one endorsee (who uses a custom stick anyway)

    but volley boy has fallen for the marketing.

    funny
     
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  36. KenC

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    Yeah, but think of all the massive spin he is getting now!!!!! :)
     
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  37. VOLLEY KING

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    Yeah big drama......

    The APD is unique.

    Hope that wasn't to much drama for you?

    What's weird is the hateful dramatic reactions. What's the big deal? Who the hell cares if it's unique or not?
     
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    I don't find your cluelessness boring at all.
     
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  39. VOLLEY KING

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    I just don't get the reactions here?

    Your right .....I'm completely puzzled at how such a simple statement like
    "the APD is unique" cause this much excitement.

    Does it really matter ?

    Why do you care ? I certainly do not.

    But what I do find intriguing is why is everyone so upset?

    There can be only two reasons I can think of......

    1- people hate Nadal and anything associated with him.

    2- "Purists" hate new overpowered racquets that make the game easier .


    I understand both contentions. But please be advised that by saying the APD is unique I am not commenting on Nadal or whether the APD is a good stick.

    All I said is that it's patented and therefore legally defined as unique.

    This is not an opinion but a legal fact . If you have a problem with the courts ruling you should file an appeal and litigate it. But I merely stating a fact. Nothing more and nothing less. Please don't read into it.
     
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  40. alidisperanza

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    I think it's more like TT dislikes absolutes and that's been dealt in spades here.

    PS... 84 posts says you care... especially since ~20 of them were from last night at least!
     
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  41. VOLLEY KING

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    No it says I have no life....lol
     
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  42. equinox

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    So unique it has clones...
     
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    Every racquet has knockoff clones. Just go check out prosupex racquets. All they do is make knockoffs of everything from Head to Wilson .....I don't understand how they get away with it?

    But from my understanding they even have iPhone knockoffs and even have fake apple stores in china where they wear the same uniforms as apple employees.

    Itnsorta funny.
     
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    I don't need to check them out, I've held/played them from local distributor.

    Maybe similar mold with a horrid pj but not even comparable to real thing.
     
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    I'm sure ....I tried the IPad knockoffs and they sucked as well.
     
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    I have 2 apdc's and a wilson kobra tour. They were different like night and day but then i customized it to the same specs and now they play the same though the kobra is a bit more flexy but that's all.
     
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    Babolat certainly wouldn't be the first company to get away with BS patents, and they won't be the last.
     
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    FYI, "Unique" is not even remotely close to the standard for patentability.

    What is this law you speak of that makes the aero pro drive design "unique," and what "court" has already ruled on the "uniqueness" of this design? Please provide a citation, or a copy of the opinion.

    FWIW, I've seen a lot of people assert that the aero beam design is patented. Babolat certainly doesn't make any such representations on its own website or its products. I've searched on Google Patents and the USPTO database to find a patent owned by Babolat covering the aero beam design with no success. If anyone can point to a specific patent I've love to read through it. :)
     
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    Indeed they do, but what most people don't realize that patents can be circumvented very easily. The biggest application of this is in the pharmaceutical business. The slightest modification in chemical structure of a compound can warrant something to be different enough to not violate a patent. Something could functionally share the same properties/ stye as the APDs but have some small variance that qualifies it as different. I'm going to stay out of the discussion because I don't know enough about the babolat frames to comment but I've certainly seen my share of knockoffs.

    Martin, I hate to say it but I fail to see that as possible. I'm not a fan of the APD line but imo it's a far superior frame to the Kobra. I don't see how any measure of customization could bring the two frames comparable. My reasoning lies in an experiment I tried some time ago. I brought a LM Radical to very near the same specs as the MG Prestige but ultimately, they did not play even close.
     
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    Legal Patent Conditions
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