After watching Nadal play at this RG, how can they NOT ban poly strings?

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  1. BreakPoint

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    It's ridiculous. Nadal can take huge cuts on almost every ball and put so much topspin on the ball that it almost never goes out. That is NOT tennis. There's a reason why a tennis court had boundaries - to prevent players from hitting the ball as hard as they can on every shot without the fear of hitting the ball outside of the boundaries. This is not baseball. Almost all of Nadal's balls landed in no matter how hard he hit the ball. He could hit ridiculous angles and the ball would still land inside the sidelines.

    The effect on the ball using polyester strings is really NO DIFFERENT than the effect on the ball using spaghetti strings - and they BANNED spaghetti strings back in the late-70's. So why haven't they banned poly strings yet?

    Eliminating poly strings would force players to use more variety, more strategy, differing pace and spins, attack the net more, and be more creative in keeping the ball in play rather than just taking huge swings and hitting the ball as hard as you can from the baseline on every single shot. It would also save a lot of recreational players who like to copy the pros from arm injuries and leaving the sport.

    Let's face it, poly strings have made playing against Nadal on clay almost unplayable and made watching pro tennis almost unwatchable because it's like watching a game of Pong (the video game). There's basically no variety and no strategy other than bludgeoning every ball with no fear of hitting out.

    If they came out with a technology which allowed Tiger Woods to hit a hole-in-one on every shot, don't you think they would immediately ban it as it would ruin the sport of golf? So why haven't they banned poly strings yet that is ruining the sport of tennis from what it used to be and supposed to be?
     
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  2. Cesc Fabregas

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    Why was Djoker making UE's then?
     
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  3. Ronaldo

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    Everyone can use poly. It is his technique
     
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  4. jmverdugo

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    it seems like like is Rafa the one causing all this problem, not the string that - by the way - the rest of the field also use.
     
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  5. DRII

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    Your guy uses polys as well...
     
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  6. Viper

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    Ban ploys because they make all tennis boring and lame, not Nadal.
     
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  7. Al Czervik

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    BP, I am one of the few people who agree with you on this. The dude is hitting Bend It Like Beckham shots that Courier and Sampras have said never existed. I do think Djoker is a pretty big beneficiary, too, because he hits tons of groundies that look like they are going a foot out, only to catch the line.

    I know the technology is available to everyone and pretty much every pro uses poly at least in a hybrid, but I just think that Nadal would be much less successful and unable to hit these shots without it. As has been written in several articles, the game has gone from linear to parabolic. The game IS becoming marathon ballbashing endurance contests.

    I just don't know how you could legislate against it. It's tough enough as a consumer to figure out all of the different variations of polys that exist now. You would just end up with pros using string materials that come really close to it.
     
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  8. Rock Strongo

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    Now I just feel like blaspheming completely and put poly in a wooden racquet.
     
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  9. Mustard

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    This is the change and evolution of tennis. It is always happening. For example, players in the second half of the 1980s, such as Lendl and Becker, had equipment miles beyond that of Laver 20 years earlier, let alone somebody as far back Budge, Vines and Tilden.
     
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  10. decades

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    your hero fed uses Poly. he gets incredible spin from his hybrid setup. plus he gets the touch from gut. he has an unfair advantage over those that simply use poly. advantage from Poly: Fed.

    ps: 11-16 and closing fast. head to head is Ovah.
     
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  11. GOAT BAAH!!!

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    This thread is sad...

    time for everyone to get over it.

    Nadal won.

    onto grass...
     
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  12. nadal_slam_king

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    Nadal always imparted huge topspin and minimal errors, even before his string update in 2010.
     
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  13. BreakPoint

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    He uses natural gut mains. But most of his big swing shots were landing in also so he shouldn't be allowed to use poly even in the crosses.
     
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  14. BreakPoint

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    Everyone could use spaghetti strings, too. Yet, they still quickly banned them because they recognized the damage they would do to the sport.
     
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  15. 1970CRBase

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    because the cheat racquets and cheat strings are money makers.

    Why do you watch Nadal play anyway? I have stopped watching his matches for a while now. As a tennis fan I just follow the tennis I enjoy. Nadal is irrelevant to the tennis I follow. So I block him. For the matter, I also do not watch any more Djokovic matches. He's just as bad. King of clutch? Laughable. More like wild silly gambles that happened to hit jack pot. Luck also evens out in the long run of course. These two people are merely ridiculous products of the racquet and string companies. Don't mention them in the same breath as truly great players.
     
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  16. ivan_the_terrible

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    They would have to ban Nadal, not the strings - but for a longer period than the one he got in 2009 ;)
     
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  17. Mike Sams

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    If poly strings are so much of an advantage for Nadal, why does he have only 4 Slams off clay? It must not be as much of an advantage then. :lol:
     
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    They banned spaghetti strings because of Nastase's tricks in ending a dominant Vilas winning run in 1977, which had been 46 wins in a row. Vilas' semi final opponent, Eric Deblicker, had used a spaghetti string and pushed Vilas to 5 sets, and this gave Nastase the idea. Vilas won another 28 matches in a row after this controversial loss.
     
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  19. willshot

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    you guys complaining about poly are purists and cry babies. lol. get a grip!
     
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  20. BreakPoint

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    Nadal puts more topspin on the ball using poly strings than any other pro using poly strings. Nadal's entire game is a product of poly strings. No one should be able to use poly as it makes the game totally one-dimensional.

    The fact that everyone can use poly is the reason that they SHOULD be banned. Everyone can text and drive at the same time, too. That's why it's banned.
     
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  21. mattennis

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    Yes, it is a totally different sport right now.

    Yes, I know. Tennis was another thing, much more beautiful. But Nadal is only taking the full advantage of the technology at his disposal. All the players are using it (Federer is other of the most beneficiaries, given the huge amount of spins he uses in his game). Nadal is simply the one who is making the most out of it.

    Yes, I know. It is another sport right now (in the last 10-12 years aprox.). That is just another reason why it is senseless to compare numbers from different eras.

    It is different. Spaghetti strings effects where not consistent. Players could not anticipate the exact spin simply watching the rival strokes. Poly strings effects are consistent. That is the most important difference.

    Anyway, I would ban poly strings, no doubt about it. But that is just me, that I long for the times where tennis was a different sport, where players needed to think and make much more things than to hit huge cuts at the ball with super-top-spin enhanced strings once and again.

    Totally agree with you there. That is what was really beautiful about tennis. Players could not simply hit as hard as they can to win points. They had to use their touch, their brains, strategy and be creative to win points.

    Now it looks more and more an endurance and top-spin context everywhere.

    I can watch and even enjoy tennis today, but not as much as in former eras. But there are many people (especially young people) that possibly prefer this "Ping-Pong-Tennis" than former tennis.

    The ones who rule the sport probably know what they are doing (they only want to earn more and more money) so it is possible that there are a good pool of people that enjoy today's tennis.

    Table-tennis is a totally different sport now as well. From "Classic Hardbat Table Tennis" to "Super-Mega-Spin Sponge Rubber Table Tennis".

    Both sports have evolved into a totally different sport because of technology.

    This is not an ideal tennis world where the rules and technology is always the same so we have it easier to compare different eras.

    This is the real, chaotic, money-driven world.
     
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  22. Shangri La

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    Neither should Federer?
     
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  23. BreakPoint

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    Give both Federer and Nadal full natural gut stringbeds. My money is on Federer to win. :)
     
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  24. vive le beau jeu !

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    i think this is a relevant analogy. i'm sick of these disgusting amounts of topspin...
    sounds like an even greater idea.
     
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  25. BreakPoint

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    Yes, neither should Federer. Maybe then he could attack the net more without worrying about ridiculous topspin passing shots. :)
     
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  26. willshot

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    your logic is idiotic.

    - poly was created well before nadal came to the scene
    - Txting and driving is banned because it creates death to lives. not matches
    - other players hit massive spin too but they cant win due to less athletic abilities and mental strength.
     
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  27. BreakPoint

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    Um...he used a different poly before 2010. AFAIK, Nadal has always used poly during his entire pro career.
     
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    So has other players....
     
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    Why don't you attack the players of the 1990s for using equipment way beyond that of the 1970s?
     
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  30. nadal_slam_king

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    Do you criticize everybody who uses poly, or just Nadal?
     
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  31. 1970CRBase

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    There's no accident that when there were once all the courts, there were all courters - because people had to competently learn all parts of the game. But how the court of tennis plays also is a combination of all the playing factors including the balls, the string technology, the racquet technology and the surface. Now as a result of all that, there is essentially one court, consequently there are only one courters in existence. Fed is just about the last true all courter in the men's side.
     
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    they should just limit number of racquets brought on court. thats it.
     
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  33. kishnabe

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    I think not permanent ban, it should be only be used in a hybird of multifilament or gut.
     
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  34. Narcissist

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    Why don't we just move back to wooden racquets while we are at it :rolleyes:
     
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    I guess you don't understand analogies. Someone said poly shouldn't be banned because everyone can use them. My point is that just because everyone can do something is NOT a reason why it shouldn't be banned. Everyone can commit murder so should we not ban it?

    Yes, poly should have been banned as soon as pros started using it (before Nadal), just like spaghetti strings were banned as soon as pros stated using them. Better late than never, I guess.
     
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    Forget about strings. Lets ban all players that hit spin. You must hit flat or underspin only. stupid. lol
     
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  37. nadal_slam_king

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    Hahahaha yeah no room for skillz in tennis :lol:
     
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    Arbitrary line.

    I think, instead of banning poly or non-wooden racquets, make pros use a racquet < or = 85 in2 :)

    that said, wood racquets and gut would make for fun wimbledons...
     
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    I'm on the fence with this one. The argument of banning spaghetti strings holds true though. I guess the big difference is that poly strings are a lot more embedded in Tennis now so it's really gonna turn off a lot of powerful people (players and endorsers alike) if you take it out. Compared to the 70's when you got the odd one or two people using it.

    I just started playing in 2009 and have fully emraced poly strings. Even the low tension variety. I would say that in my group of guys, all poly users have the most topspin. But the best two players on our group use multis, and have very complete games (flat and kick serves, backspin shots, volleying, proper approach shots). Both of them have been around the sport a lot longer than anyone else too.

    Of course, we play mostly in hardcourts :)

    I think it's just a matter of the players skill than the strings.
     
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  40. BreakPoint

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    That would do wonders for the sport. Tennis was never more popular than during the wood era of the 70's. It's been losing popularity ever since because people don't want to watch a video game with no variety and no strategy.

    Around where I live, most of the apartments and condos built during the 70's have tennis courts. Almost none of the ones built in the 90's or later have tennis courts because the sport lost so much popularity.
     
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    This. What a stupid first post.

    Might as well ban people over 6'3 playing as they are too tall and can serve harder.
     
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    This is the dumbest thread I have ever seen.
     
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  43. pds999

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    Ah yes "only 4 slams". What a loser and such an incomplete player Rafa is.
     
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  44. BreakPoint

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    Slow red clay gives Nadal more time to set up his massive topspin vertical swings with his extreme grip, and it also makes his topspin bounce much higher on red clay, thanks to poly.
     
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    So what does that have to do with it? NO PLAYERS should be allowed to use poly. Let's bring back "real" tennis. What tennis is "supposed" to be. :)
     
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    My OP states that I think poly should be banned from the pro tour. So unless Nadal is the only player on the pro tour, no pro should be allowed to use poly.
     
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    I totally agree with the OP, in fact, we should take it even further. People shouldn't be allowed to play with poly, they shouldn't even be allowed to play with rackets. Everyone who has used a racket in tennis is just bashing the ball and pretty much can hit it anywhere they want. When tennis was first played, it was played with a the hand. We should revert back to this style to really see who is the best. Only the most talented players will emerge victorious. I don't even follow tennis nowadays because its irrelevant. Nadal, Federer, Djokovic, ect. all those guys use rackets and are talentless baboons that whack at the balls with strings and sticks. No one is giving credit to the guys that still play with their hands, and not some artificial stick.

    If we get rid of the rackets, the players will be forced to become more creative in winning points. They will have to go to net and then we will see more touch and skill. We will see an emergence of more complete players who will run faster to get to the ball, hit harder and have greater net play. It only makes sense to ban rackets altogether.
     
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  49. BreakPoint

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    I did. The 90's equipment made Wimbledon into a serve-fest that was almost unwatchable. That was the reason they eventually slowed down the grass courts at Wimbledon.
     
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    This thread is so asinine I was thinking it was a joke at first.
     
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