After watching Nadal play at this RG, how can they NOT ban poly strings?

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  1. BreakPoint

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    How about the ability to generate spin completely from your own technique with absolutely no help from the strings. If Nadal's technique is so good at generating topspin, why does he need poly strings at all? He should be able to generate just as much topspin with any other non-poly string, right?
     
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    Sampras was a joy to watch on grass.
     
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    I don't think they make a difference, clay court tennis has been like this for a long time. Western grips have been around for a long time too.

    Muster and Brugera hit their forehands exactly the same way:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FoMBxY7hgcQ

    Just as much spin and power. Nothing has changed.
     
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  4. mellowyellow

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    The OP can't seriously think that the tech of today is comparable to the Spaghetti Strung of the past? Is it possible their is a conflict here with the rules in place and the actual technology that is played with today?
     
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  5. TennisLovaLova

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    The poly issue in tennis is the same as the tires and motor power issue in formula1 and moto gp.
    Guess what they did? Every car has the same tires and same engine power than the others.
     
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  6. sureshs

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    Federer does not serve with both feet on the ground and wearing shorts gives him an edge over those who wore long pants. His shoes are also more optimized than the ones Bill Tilden played with, and he is able to travel easily and even uses Netjets. Federer should be banned.
     
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    Poly strings is one of the best things ever happened to tennis.
    Even I can keep the ball inside the court taking huge cuts, great product:)
     
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  8. DeShaun

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    Maybe because Rafa's typical rally ball is so unattackable by design--it's built to soften his opponents until they cough up something that Rafa knows he can put away within the next two or three strokes.
    Remember the absolute filthiest American twist serve that you have ever returned or failed to return? Now add a couple thousand RPMs to that, and imagine a rally in which nearly every ball your opponent hits is behaving like one of the nastiest twist serves times three that you ever saw.

    Rafa being a lefty means his groundies behave this way. Him being so strong and swinging the way that he does means that rallying against him is similar to trying to return twenty beastly twist serves in rapid succession while trying to balance being patient with being aggressive, all just in order to take a single point off him. Like it or not, this is one of Rafa's most essential advantages, being overwhelmingly responsible for much of the success that he has enjoyed over the years. There has always been a lot of flash surrounding his game, but him playing as lefty is major contributor to his success IMO.

    He has a very cool forehand it's nice to watch him hit, but I object to his treatment of tennis matches like they were life or death spectacles or his acting like "I must leave no stone unturned in trying to get a leg up here. . .the fate of my kind depends on me succeeding in this!" He seems to take himself and what he does waaaayyy too seriously. Someone needs to remind him that there are young adults who have enlisted in their country's military as a means of trying to eek out a decent living for themselves who thought that they had no other options in life who are now in grave harm's way due to lack of opportunity; and there is just too much theater in how Rafa chooses to play and not enough shut-up and play the damn game. He takes himself way too seriously which is a major turnoff.
     
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  9. sureshs

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    No, he can. He will be all right in a day or two.
     
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    If Nadal could play left-handed then others could as well.
     
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  11. BreakPoint

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    But that's just it. Using non-poly strings encourages the development of a complete game with more variety and more shots. This takes more time and effort but it pays off in the end in becoming better, more complete players.

    Poly strings allow lesser players who haven't played the sport as long so don't have as much experience nor variety to just crush the ball and still keep it inside the court. It's basically cheating.

    It would be like if you spent a lifetime honing your golf skills only to have a technology come along that allows novices to hit a hole-in-one on every stroke. Don't you think the golf authorities would ban such a technology?
     
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    I think that the 8 games in a row the Rafa lost late on Sunday attest to this.....

    If he can't get the ball up high (in Sunday's case heavy, slick, wet balls) he has no chance against the likes of NG, RF and probably many other top 10 players...

    AND this was on the red clay of Roland Garros.......

    Just saying.....
     
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    This was also against a Djoko that played horridly in the first 2 sets. He didn't play great through the last half and the UE count on first and second strike balls was like watching a young feed/go for winners drill... Some go in and many do not. I am not going to make excuses for the level of play, but I think that the expectation to play the 5, 3, and 2 as the No. 1 to win a Slam when the other had the ahem potential to play the 4 is totally ridiculous. That is a level of play over an extended period of time most don't have in their careers ever.
     
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    Well the right answer is "I'd be pissed off" but since I'm on the other boat, I'm happy for these poly strings. At least it gives me a chance to beat those top guys even just on doubles.

    I do get what you mean. But truth is, it's the players call and I think a lot of them has benefitted w/ poly strings (some more so than others) and don't plan on looking back. Just look at that uproar on the blue clay. If players feel cheated by poly strings, they would've let everyone know.
     
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    I always thought Rafa would have been a great baseball player had he picked up a bat way back when. Congratulations to him for his French Open win.
     
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    No it doesn't. Most newbs don't know anything about topspin.

    Stay mad, bro. The strings don't matter crap. Nadal won because of his superior clay court footwork and accuracy.
     
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    I love poly I play with it regression is not how Tennis works. We make progress. You cant take back something all of a sudden. They have other factors they can change like court speed, ball speed, ball weight
     
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    Thats true, I hate the racket and strings BS even Johnny mac does that. I bet you could put wodden racket with gut and these guys would play pretty good with it and their level would'nt drop much.
     
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    No way, they actually test for PED'S in baseball, top guys get cought, not the Odesniks of the world.
     
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  21. DeShaun

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    And if George Washington Carver could rise above being born into slavery to become a famous scientist, why haven't American blacks in general raised their collective condition? Rafa is a unique athletic specimen whose circumstances and the people in his life have been his alone to benefit or be held back by. It is unfair to judge everyone by the same standard because all men are not created equal and while you probably are never going be able to serve a tennis ball 135mph, someone who is 6'4" and has a live arm and more coordination than you or I probably could.
     
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  22. BreakPoint

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    Then why doesn't he prove it to us skeptics and switch to full natural gut for next year's RG? I'll bet you any amount of money that he won't be as dominant as he was this year. No chance.

    Oh, and of course newbies know about topspin. They watch Nadal play on TV. And didn't you read Gasolina's posts above?
     
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  23. BreakPoint

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    OMG!!! Have you ever played with wood racquets strung with gut? Nadal has, and he quickly put it down saying he could hit crap with it.
     
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    This how you all come across:

    I hate Nadal so much I want to change his game style and force him to retire. That involves:

    1. Turning all clay blue so that Roger is GOAT and the buttpicker never wins again.

    2. Ban poly strings. It will probably ruin every player in existence, but as long as it ruins Nadal more than the others I'm fine.

    3. Speed up surfaces, so he can't play 'grinder' tennis. That will ruin half the ATP, turn the WTA into a ball-bash fest. We'll have players like Karlovic, Fishner and Raonic, who cannot rally to save their life dominating the tour. The whole game will become a servefest like Isner-Mahut. Of course, that's called 'great shotmaking' and as long as the buttpicker retires, I'm fine.


    I'm sure you're all very mature, but hating Nadal and then wanting to ban poly strings does come across a bit... inane. The entire ATP tour isn't going to die in flames anyway: Nadal is the only guy who plays with so much topspin and Dolgopolov, Fish etc give us plenty variety. I'm sure there are lots of things to change, but blue ice and banning poly is the wrong thing to do.
     
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  26. BreakPoint

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    What does this have anything at all to do with Federer? He uses poly strings, too. Poly should be banned so that no pro is allowed to use it, INCLUDING Federer!
     
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    Honestly, I don't see any problems with polyester strings. I actually think the combination polyester/fast courts would be extremely interesting. You can't really hate on equipment because the RG final had 2 guys who dominate clay with their baseline game (which FYI is what clay is about) and aren't exactly apt volleyers. You want Llodra there? That won't happen.

    And hey, if you definitely need proof that an all-courter with a tiny racquet and gut strings could beat a modern Luxilon maniac, Sampras was 2-1 against Kuerten.

    EDIT: equipment isn't everything. You play what suits you. For instance I'm not exactly a great golfer yet I hit further and straighter with a wooden driver than with a modern one.
     
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  28. Murrayfan31

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    No more poly please.
     
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  29. Rickenbacker4003

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    Lol, Nadal wins so let's ban Babolats, poly strings, the list goes on. Let's just have Nadal play with his hands.
     
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  30. BreakPoint

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    It's not that Nadal won all of his matches. It's how dominant he was in all of his matches due to the ridiculous shots he was able to hit using poly strings.

    Risking hitting the back fence is what prevents players from hitting the ball as hard as they can on every shot in tennis. Poly strings have taken that risk out of the equation. That's no longer proper tennis. The risk/reward balance is now all screwed up so now there's no incentive to be creative anymore. Just bang away like a robot.
     
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  31. DRII

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    Probably...

    however, make both play left handed and Nadal would win...

    means about as much.
     
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  32. Ronaldo

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    Great point. Speed up the surface and the top two lose the advantage.
     
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  33. BreakPoint

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    Why not make them both play right-handed? Federer will still win despite Nadal being naturally right-handed. Why? Because Nadal is not used to playing right-handed and a right-handed serve and a right-handed crosscourt forehand will not bother Federer.

    You can't ban left-handed people from playing tennis, but you CAN ban poly strings.
     
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  34. DRII

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    But why would you?

    Anyway, you forget that Federer hits with the second most amount of spin on tour. He benefits greatly from polys...
     
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  35. BreakPoint

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    No, I didn't forget at all. Federer shouldn't be allowed to use poly, either. Maybe that will force him to serve and volley and get to the net more. That's good for tennis. :)

    Like I said before, if both Nadal and Federer used full natural gut, my money is on Federer to win on ANY surface. :)
     
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  36. Mick

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    they won't do it. they won't ban poly strings just like they won't ban blue clay courts.
     
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  37. willshot

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    Federer isnt complaining about Nadal using poly so why are you? who are you? a nobody. lol.


    i want this i want that na na. whiner.
     
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  38. 10is

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    As spectators we have every right to complain about a "professional" sport if we find our interest in the "spectacle" of it all, dwindling.
     
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  39. willshot

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    keep complaining. you will do it for nothing :) because nothing will happen.
     
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  40. BreakPoint

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    I'm a tennis fan and many tennis fans are complaining about it. We pay Nadal's and Federer's salaries. Without tennis fans, no one would be able to make a living playing tennis so there would be no professional tennis tour.
     
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  41. Bud

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    Why didn't you just bump your thread from last year and the year before??

    BTW, Federer's string setup of gut mains and poly crosses imparts more power and spin on a tennis ball than Nadal's full poly setup. His frame also has more inherent power versus Nadal's frame.

    Nice try, once again :)
     
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  42. willshot

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    You don't pay him squat. simply.
     
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  43. Bud

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    They didn't slow down the grass. They changed to a more durable variety of grass and packed the sub-base tighter to further increase court durability due to the modern baseline game. The result is a slightly higher bounce and fewer bad bounces. The playability of the court is primarily affected by the amount of rain prior to the tournament. The ball still slides on the grass if the proper shot is played... a slice (on both serves and groundstrokes).

    There are so few slicers left in the game today... everything is topspin.
     
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    The butthurt old man strikes again.
     
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  45. BreakPoint

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    Don't be so sure.

    Fans complained that the serve and volley fests at Wimbledon in the 90's was getting boring to watch. Viola! They slowed down the grass at Wimbledon and made it higher bouncing to make it tougher to serve and volley and to give the baseliners more of a chance. Most of the European and South American clay court specialists used to skip Wimbledon altogether. Now they all go.

    Fans complained that it was hard to see the little yellow ball against the orange color of the red clay courts on TV. Voila! Now we have a blue clay court Masters tournament so fans can see the ball much better, and I expect to see more of them.
     
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    I just always to try my best, no
     
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    Wouldn't it be better if they had pitch black courts and neon pink balls?

    How awesome would that be?
     
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  48. BreakPoint

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    So let's ban poly strings then since it gives Federer too much advantage over Nadal. Nadal should have no problem agreeing to this since banning poly would benefit him much more than it would benefit Federer, right? :)
     
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    Loser argument for something that is legal, which any player can choose to use. Nadal didn't invent the poly strings, or are you saying that he's only a tennis great because he invented poly strings! I've never heard Nadal more complimented!
     
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    Wow, I see you must be a highly-educated, sophisticated, cosmopolitan, and erudite individual. You must be a Harvard graduate and a Rhodes scholar and a Nobel Prize winning economist. Where the heck do you think the money that tennis pros make comes from? :???:
     

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