Discussion in 'General Pro Player Discussion' started by mowcopian, Jun 26, 2006.
will the 2 great legends of the games children be superstars in the world of tennis aswell?
taht would be awesome, and if petes kids did too, we could have some more sampras agassi rivalries
yes tht would be absolutely amazing wouldnt it
Just like Beethoven's children all became famous musicians.
exactly there is no reason y agassi's children could not do the same.
You guys got me laughing. Those last two posts were gold.
thanks, it wouldbe good though dont u think?
That would be a neat thing to see. I think the boy's already hitting balls with Dad.
is he, well watch out world if he is
yeah, that is the funniest pair of posts ive ever seen.
i personally wouldnt bet on it...
what if they happen to want to do something else??
and the pressure/expectations will be too high...
based on this logic, perhaps Federer's kids will be top pros also?
a very big IF.........
Yeah, imagine the pressure; may end up like Bach who was superiorly talented and all his lesser known children.
And wow, great pair of posts with that Beethoven line.
Beethoven did'nt have any children, and his one nephew, whom he adopted, failed at becoming a concert pianist, despite Beethoven's best efforts.
Beethoven didn't have any children
Hey total respect to Agassi and Graf....but...
How many kids of parents who have hundreds of millions of dollars in the bank
do you see with the desire to suffer for...well anything...
I would put my money on the kids being ´good´ athletes ie, playing sport well, but taking the college option rather than the professional athlete option.
Who knows they may pursue another sport and become famous for that. I'd hate to be on the tennis courts everyday with the expectations, it wouldn't be very enjoyable.
Problem is that Bach's wife didn't have a lot of musical talent.
Agassi's wife is said to have played some decent tennis balls though ....
well i think tht if they get coach by agassi and graf from an early age then they will have a better than average chance of being a pro tennis player.
I suppose; but of course, it's not a perfect analogy - things back then were quite different with women having a more minor role in some cases and more major role in other cases relative to today.
well i guess we'll see then wont we. in 20 years me might have mini agassi and mini graff or then again we might not.
i dont know if its going to happen but if it does it will be fun to watch
haha check my signature, i just changed it today before i even looked at this thread
i hope tht agassi's children do grow up to be tennis players as they will have the infamous agassi return.
Just a heads up on the Bach progeny thing....2nd son C.P.E. Bach was revered as a genius by Mozart, Haydn and Beethoven. He was also one of the founders of the Classical style.
A pros' kid only has a little better chance on being a pro player than any ranked circuit junior.
Not really. With the right genes and the right people behind you (in this case, perfect genes and the best people you could possibly have behind you), all it takes is the drive. Maybe Jaden won't be a top 10 player, but if Donald Young can get wildcards, Jaden certainly can as well some day. Hopefully he'll do a lot better than that, if that's what he wants.
It would probably be easier for Agassi's daughter to get to the top of women's tennis.
exactly blahblahblah, but tht extra chance could be what he kid needs to go tht extra distance and go pro.
How the hell are genes gonna get you into the pro tour? Your dad could be Larry Bird and your mother could be Magic Johnson and that won't make you a good basketball player. How would that work for tennis?
The only advantage is having a great coach at all times.
So you're saying that if your family members where pros then your desire to win would be greater?
The kids also need to have something called talent too.
The space guru circling around me says, ´The kids aren´t going to have the drive or desire to play professional tennis.´
Don´t mess with the space guru.
can u be certain of this. if agassi only introduces them to tennis and no other sport then they will not no any other sport and therefore they will be focused at becoming a pro tennis player.
Well, the God-given talent is probably already there. Facilities, coaching, great role-models, parents who have talent AND understand the value of working hard......Jaden and Jaz have those things in spades.
Hunger...desire. The intangibles...These are things you simply cannot teach.
Overcoming expectations? Growing up in the public eye? Not easy.
And what if the parents do not yearn for their kids to be pro athletes? If I were Steffi and Dre, I would give them the background and not push. If the desire comes from the kid(s), great, I would help. A lot. But if it does not, there is so much other stuff to learn and be passionate about.
Generally, the kids most focused on becoming the best are from families with some means (but rarely jillionaires), good sporting background but mostly a parent who lives and breathes the sport, and lives vicariously through the kid. A lot of times, this parent was semi-pro at something (tennis, cycling, boxing, soccer, baseball, etc. See: Roland Jaeger, Stefano Capriati, Mike Agassi, Damir Dokic, and many more). They want so badly for the kid to make it in tennis. Partly for the kid, partly for the parent. I do not see the Agassi clan falling into much of this.
Exceptional eamples of kids with famous fathers/uncles that make it in other sports: Joakim Noah and Rafa Nadal.
Some examples of star progeny making it? Hmm, Taylor Dent, Ramesh Krishnan. In a way, Tim Henman. There are more...
Famous kids not making it? Brett Connors, Kevin, Sean and Emily McEnroe.
It will be interesting to see what comes of Edberg, Becker and Wilander's children in the coming years. Then Joshua Rafter, Christian Sampras and the Agassi kids.
Frankly, it is a little creepy even thinking about those kids as players at this point. Lara/Pat, Steffi/Dre and Bridget/Pete are probably plenty busy with conversations about diapers / potty training, sleep schedules, pre-schools, motor skills, swim classes, soccer, tee ball, playdates, nannies?, finding the time for eachother.....oh and playing one last season of tennis in one guy's case.
ok with tht large comment it will just be a matter of time to see if agassi's children do go pro.
Well tennis runs in blood it seems think Andy murrys mum a top coach produces three kids are excellent top british players andy, jamie,samatha, then theres williams', richard krajiack(cant spell) sister is also top player! etc!
see, there is a gd example of tennis running int the families blood.
I think this is an important point into why the kids won´t have the desire. Unless they can maturely understand and appreciate the situation they have been born into at a young age critical for athletic development, they are more likely to choose the easier option, that is, enjoy the comforts and luxury of the immeasureable wealth of the family they were born into.
And of considerable importance...they live in the USA. What impact does living in a land that is saturated in celebrity, wealth and quick fame worship have on the children.
I know! CLEVER arent i?
now ur just fishing for compliments
mowcopian wrote: "see, there is a gd example of tennis running int the families blood."
Well, sort of.
Andy Murray's mummy, Richard Williams, Richard / Michaella's father (Mr. Krajicek), Richard's mother...and Michaella's mha-jha......their tennis careers have more in common with tennis' rank and file (or me) than they do Steffi, Andre or even Phil Dent.
You guys might be confusing good coaching with unbelievable players.
No doubt, Andy's mum is one heck of a coach. The three Krajicek parents did a wonderful job of raising a Wimbledon Champion/good guy and his half-sister who has potential. Obviously Richard Williams knows all about the hunger and desire it takes to be a champion.
So not the very best examples, but it is a start.
And let me say that even though it is not likely.....it would be pretty cool to see the name Agassi again on a slam trophy. More likely in 2006 or 2026? Hmmm.
They will have access to the best coaches if do get into tennis. Also Safin's mom I think was either a pro or a coach. Both her kids are now top players. And didn't Federer's mom used to play? Sort of hammers in the point that if a kid has the right athletic ability, has the motivation, and has the right coaches/parents growing up, there's no reason why that kid can't grow up to do great things. Most of these guys chose between tennis and soccer so it's not like they were born with some innate gift to swing a racquet and do nothing else.
well i think tht most tennis pros nowadays have some relative tht used to play tennis professionally.
I don´t think anyone would deny that having athletic parents would hinder a childs athletic potential...
I would happily contribute more names to this view, Coria´s father was a coach, Clijsters father a profesional footballer, Dinara and Marat Safin(a) mother a coach, Petrova and Kuznetsova´s family olympic athletics and cycling sucess.
Athletic talent is NOT going to be the deciding factor in this story.
Desire and motivation are going to be the greatest deciding factors on whether the children choose a professional career. What possible reasons are there that the kids won´t have the desire?
1) Immeasureble wealth - why have the blisters, why suffer mentally, why feel fatigued everyday, why lose or win matches...for money? This motivating factor will be N/A to these kids, whereas it was a founding factor for a large majority of todays pros.
2) 100% Opportunity- do I even need to explain why having everything given to you and having every opportunity is detrimental to self motivation and desire??!!! Kids who are given everything expect it in the future - that kid from Bolivia who has nothing isn´t gonna give these kids a free point if he/she can help it.
3) Expectations - to surpass the parents career accomplishments would be unreasonable to expect. So if these kids become pros and do not win the Grand Slam etc, they will always mentally consider themselves below their parents. What kid wants to feel like they arent capable of being ´better´ than their parents. This mentally will most likely push them away from tennis before they become committed to becoming pros. Psychologically speaking, pursuing a tennis career is mentally setting up the child for failure, because of the ongoing comparison to the parents.
4) Societal influences - Paris Hilton, Jessica Simpson, Nicole Richie etc?? I would like to believe that these people aren´t the idols of a generation of young people. But I can´t kid myself. How did these people become idols? By flaunting their wealthy lifestyle of ease and luxury. Those Grafite and Agassite kids are gonna have a day of realisation...one day it will click what those numbers in daddy and mommys bank accounts mean....and how they are in the position to do anything in life that every media outlet tells them they want. And as you all know, those tv shows and magazines aren´t telling kids to go work hard at being professional athletes...
i agree with all of tht.
The one possibility which i think could stop the aggasi kids being decent is getting burnt out or tired with tennis or maybe there parents would not push them too much, however i guess theyd want champions. bothe being champs like!
Well, you can see Nadal´s family. His uncle was one of the best Spanish soccer players in history (I think he played 3 World Cup!) and now, his nephew, a tennis promise.(I think he could have been a good soccer player too, but we´ll never know that..)
it definately runs in the blood then!!!!!!!
Yeah i think so dan!
i think so too brucie bonus
Wow this was definitely worth an entire post!!!
An Agassi/Graf combo would be incredible for a WTA tour player. Imagine Steffi Graf with a backhand! I wonder if Andre and Steffi will have a few arguments over stroke mechanics as her strokes were a little unorthodox.
I don't think Andre will push his kids to the point of burn out. He's a good guy and he's been burnt by Mike Agassi and Bolliteri in the past...so I think he'd be a great coach. I'd worry more about Andre being TOO easy on his kids.
It would be funny if one of them became the next great serve and volleyer...and Christian Sampras became a clay court specialist.
Graf had a backhand. After all more than 80 % of the strokes she played during her career were backhands. Definitely the most experienced backhand player of all time.
Re: Graf/Agassi kids.
All these comparisons in this thread (eg. Sampras kid) tend to forget one thing: The Graf/Agassi kids have tennis genes from BOTH parents.
And not in the Davenport/Muster mould but from 2 of the most talented players of all time.
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