agassi and murray have something in common

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  1. adil1972

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    they both loose the next match after winning a 5 set match in grand slam previous round, both of them need 3 or more days to recover from a 5 setter match

    murray needs to hire gil ryes (i dont remember his full name), agassi trainer
     
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    Murray is with Adidas and so is Gil Reyes, so I think Murray can train with Gil whenever he wants, if he wants to.
     
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    i dont understand what gil has to do with adidas
     
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    the difference is, agassi's losses following 5 setters happened after the age of 30. murray is only 25. agassi's situation is understandable considering the loss of resiliency with age. murray is in his physical prime. that said, murray is still relatively young has a lot of upside to improve this.
     
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    he works under adidas's player development program. another notable member is darren cahill.
     
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    agassi was very slim early in his career and had difficulty winning 5 set matches in grand slam

    according to his book, agassi clothes used to hang from his shoulder early in his career
     
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    from 1986 - 1999, there were only 3 times where agassi lost the following round after winning a 5 set match. from 2000-2006, there were 7 times where agassi lost the following round after winning a 5 set match.

    the losses from rounds following a 5 set win where much, much more frequent in the 7 years on tour where agassi was past the age of 30 than the 14 years on tour where agassi was younger than the age of 30.
     
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    ok i didnt knew this, but you should also mention how many 5 set matches agassi won during the two periods mentioned above
     
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    that would be a completely different topic, but sure. i'll look it up.
     
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    thanks dude
     
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    agassi won 16 five-setters prior to 2000, with 10 five-set wins after 2000. how would one relate this info to the original discussion?

    perhaps the statistic you want instead is how many five set matches agassi has won prior to the final round of a tournament? this shows how many times agassi could have possibly lost the following round after a five set win.

    pre 30 year old agassi won 11 five-setters before a final, giving him 11 opportunities to lose in the following round. he lost in the following round 3 times in 11 possibilities.
    post 30 year old agassi won 10 five setters prior to the final stage of a tournament. he lost in the following round 7 times out of 10 possible occasions.

    this further solidifies the idea that older agassi, despite getting himself into and winning a decent number of five setters, was more likely to lose in the following round than his younger self. justifying the idea that agassi's poor performance in matches following five-setters were attributed to loss of resiliency with age, as opposed to murray who is still in his physical prime.
     
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    i got this info from agassi's playing activity on ATPworldtour. the dont have records for davis cup though, so i couldnt include that in the pool.

    i think in murray's case, it could be in his head. he seems built to go the distance in harsh conditions, perhaps not as much as djokovic, but he's up there. it's just another monkey that he has to get off his back.
     
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