Agassi asks for compassion

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  1. David L

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    There's going to be a '60 minutes' interview with Agassi this Sunday, so be sure to check it out.

    http://uk.news.yahoo.com/18/20091105/ten-agassi-pleads-for-drugs-compassion-9700fcb.html

    For my part, I think there are far too many finger wagging judgmental people out there who are probably no better than many of the people they wag their fingers at. Agassi did wrong, but he is clearly a better and more mature person today than he was in his younger years. Is it really realistic to expect anyone to go through life without making mistakes or experiencing moments of poor judgment? Do any of the unforgiving critics have completely flawless histories? It would have been far far more serious if we were talking about performance enhancing drugs, but this was recreational drug use, during a period in Agassi's life when he was trying to cope with his profound unhappiness. This is part of the reality of his history and he chose to reveal it in his autobiography. The guy is a multi-millionaire 10 times over, so this is clearly not about money, as some have suggested.

    I think fans of all prominent figures would do well to live in reality and not imagine that the figures they revere so much are perfect, because they are not. Every single one of them is flawed, as we all are. The media provide us with very little accuracy when it comes to profiling individuals, because the limited scope of their resources, access, knowledge and dissemination can only provide us with a very superficial understanding of the individuals they report about. It's all sound-bite and image, with very little substance, knowledge or insight. You cannot really know any individual via the media. It's hard enough knowing people when you are on personal terms. If fans did not believe the fantasy so much, they would not be so disappointed in the reality. Rather than trying to fabricate heroes, I think it's important to be aware that everyone is flawed.

    Also, my understanding is that at the time Agassi was found to have crystal meth in his body, the punishment for this recreational drug would have been a 3 month ban, had he been found guilty. This should give people some perspective when casting their judgment. Even the ATP recognized back then that recreational drug use was no way near as serious as performance enhancing drug use, so any kind of censure more than 10 years later should not go overboard, either from the public or officials.
     
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  2. JohnnyCracker

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    No, thanks. I'd rather spend $30 on tennis balls and strings than buying a book about somebody's personal life. Good try, though. :)
     
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  3. bolo

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    maybe someone on the internets will make us an abridged tennis only version. :)
     
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    Who said anything about buying his book? I couldn't care less whether anyone wants to buy his book.
     
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    Great post David L . I couldn't agree more.
     
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    When will he be on '60 minutes', again? And be sure to let everybody know when he's going to be on CNN, Fox News, Oprah, Larry King, Leno, and Letterman (selling his book), would ya? :wink:
     
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  7. David L

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    Sunday.:wink:
     
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    I'm pretty sure plenty of us will be watching him on 60 minutes, but won't be buying his book.
     
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    Agassi doesn't need compassion!! He has money!! sorry:twisted:
     
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    You know I've expressed my opinion about the subject, which was basically, people do things, some don't, others do, this is hindsight and admission from someone about the past so way all the ripping of tunics over it...yet I do agree completely, I don't need or desire to read a book detailing someone's private life. On another thread, and I believe it was the Tennis Magazine stuff, a response from someone said they enjoyed sport, and various aspects of it, but when it delved into private lives, whether someone offered it or it was taken, they didn't have such interest into that unless it was historically significant criminality others needed to take a role in. I find that an interesting comment. I read along on TW and a few different forum sites, well more than a few, and news sites, besides hard copy ones, but the insistence on so many to want to delve into private moments and such things just seems odd to me. It seems strange, but then that is 99% of what is offered news wise these days.

    To me, Agassi is falling back on his American roots by asking for compassion. Many other sports figures have made mistakes, serious ones, and have admitted it and pledged to go on and do better after those points. I don't think Agassi needs to explain anything further to the general public or avid haters or others. To me, now asking for compassion is the unbelievable and unacceptable part, he only said what he did in the past and apologized for it, why should he be flamed for it or ask forgiveness of those hypocritical entities who demand or suggest such action. In many ways I feel, after living and working in a number of countries, some are much more accusatory and judgemental than others, and unwilling to ever admit their "idols" might be human. If an "idol" admits to any wrongdoing, they should be condemned with the harshest penalty just because they were "famous" and made a mistake too. And then such ones wonder why these young persons forced a heavy burden take to something, whether its drugs or alcohol, gaming or sex, to numb their feelings. Its a stupid cycle they are forcing with their micro-attention on everything and overly religious and judgemental statements. Its just sad all around.

    I don't read or buy biographies or autobiographies in general although I love to read history. So that's the only reason I wouldn't buy his book. I have no desire to read his story anymore than anyone else's which is not directly impactive to my own life. And that's just reality. It seems so many people are reading this book and acting as if what he did is killing them, shattered their past memories or will doom their future. Wow, I mean....show some objectivity.
     
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  11. 1970CRBase

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    Is it possible the reason why Agassi would do this (reveal his past drug use) isn't to brag or boast about drugs or to flog a few more copies of his book, but rather is to say, in an unspoken fashion : "don't do the same thing, don't make the same mistake I did"? All those self righteous fools who are busily casting stones badly need to stop for a moment, honestly question their real motives, and look into the dark & hidden corners of their own past to see if there aren't plenty of demons lurking there too. :evil:

    People who cast stones : sooner or later, those stones are going to come flying straight back to whack 'em in the ass.
     
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  12. JohnnyCracker

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    Good job. How much is Agassi paying you? :wink:
     
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    i just saw the new people magazine w/andre and stef on the cover, and the words "crystal meth use" under their pic....its just terrible what the media is doing

    its good to see that andre admitted his faults...shows his true character which is composed of honesty, self belief, and even compassion for others. Who knows how many lives he has helped with the addition of the charter school he founded.

    i mean nobody cares that jack nicholson or any other celebrity that is doing cocaine..(there are pics of him w/cocaine on his nose)
     
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    Great post. The kind of comments some people are spewing about him are just retarded. He clearly did a bad thing, and he is smart and mature enough to realize that he did something bad. He regrets using crystal meth, and that should be enough for people since it's not like he was exactly using it to propel himself to the #1 ranking, and countless titles.

    Martina Navratilova is just being a ***** quite frankly, condemning him and everything. It's a mistake, and it's bad that he did it for his own sake, tennis' sake, etc. But it's over, it's done with, and people should judge him for the person he is today, not the person that he was. Stop looking to the past, and give him the respect that he deserves.
     
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    I'm not going to buy the book because I don't really care.

    He was a great tennis player that didn't do have the @#$% most stupid kids do these days.... he was talented and never really got into that much trouble.

    When was the last time a tennis player shot himself in the foot with an unregistered gun?

    All pro Atheletes use drugs of some kind. You can't convince me otherwise. If I was making millions taking my body to the max I probably would too as would 99% of the population.
     
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    Martina Navratilova probably took more test boost than I have produced naturally...
     
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    He didn't have to blabber about it all over the world. His "revelations" damaged the reputation of the sport which brought him fame and fortune. He ruined his own image in his fans' eyes. Whatever for did he tell this dirty story? For publicity (regardless whether it is good or bad)? To promote his book? Don't see any other reasons.
     
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    Agassi was 27 when he did drugs. Many people are married and have kids at that age.

    Of course we can be judgemental.
     
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    You don't even have the words of your own. Too bad. But you can always go to school and learn something. Even the school for mentally retarded persons will do.
     
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  21. Dutch-Guy

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    What does he need compassion for? He's rich and famous.
     
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    You sound young and naive :grin: ... Of course it was revealed and subsequently 'leaked' to generate interest... and book sales.

    Now, if Agassi were to donate all revenue from the book to some charity, many would see it from a completely different perspective.
     
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    and you know this for personal experience?
     
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    How can you respect a man knowing that he played without underwear?
     
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    yeah i don't know why people are not focusing on the real issue. did he give a reasonnable explanation for that ?
    (some significant improvement in his game due to balls topspinning more freely, or something like this ?)
     
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    nice post. humanity can mean so many things and can so often be lost on us.
     
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    Sucker! .
     
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    The Most Shocking thing is the Reaction

    I think never before from the Tennis world have we gotten a bunch of poseurs like we've gotten in the aftermath of the Agassi "confession" to using Meth. The Royal Poseur award goes to Navratilova, who compared Agassi to Roger Clemens. Well.

    I was a Navratilova fan when it wasn't in vogue, when she played the role of the villain opposite the people's hero, Chris Evert. I could care less that she is gay, and I felt for her given her tortured career. I admired her work ethic and intellect.

    No more.

    It wasn't just the Agassi comment. She's been chipping away at respectability for a while now. Now she's put the nail in it.

    Observe:

    1) the details revealed of her private life don't reveal a giving considerate person, she apparently discarded her last partner like trash

    2) in recent years, observing her combative commentary on the air, it's really grated on me. It's not that she's not entitled to her opinion, it's just that she's frequently dismissive of her broadcast partners (maybe like her private life partners)

    3) now, the Agassi comment

    Out of left field. Makes you wonder what kind of relationship was there beforehand that she so quickly took the opportunity to pounce.

    Comparing Agassi to Clemens ? Lets see, she fails the intellect test there.
    Clemens was a starting pitcher when he took performance enhancing drugs, and that is alleged. Agassi ? Out of the top 100, the drug he took wouldn't help him crush any backhands, far from it. I wonder if Agassi's religious beliefs are what is at the heart of this attack.

    I'm done with Navratilova. She's an aging, self-absorbed poseur.
     
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    This Thread Belongs In The "former Pro Player" Section.
     
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    0$........
     
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    Idiot!....
     
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    Nobody respects someone who cashes in on something, then crys about it and cash's in on it again.
     
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    ROFL X 800, Chad! I see you've decided to join the club of members firing on more than 4 cylinders! :)

     
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    Hes knocking damn near every player in his book from Pete to Connors to Chang, yet HE WANTS compassion? ROFL
     
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  35. Texastennis

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    "knocks nearly every player?"

    Have you read the book? How do you know then? One line snippets don't tell anything. Someone posted on another board - having seen the book - that he's very appreciative re Pete overall... Impossible to tell from what we know so far.
     
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    you are a...

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  37. David L

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    You are an idiot.:lol:
     
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    Note to self-don't watch 60 Minutes this week. Note to Martina N-please shut up!!!! Seems like she's always got to say something.....
     
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    My whole gripe with these revelations is that it's a bi*ch slap in the face to tennis fans. They see that one guy, who doesn't even like the sport he plays, make the ATP look bad, the drug testing stuff look bad, and the sport itself look bad. He made an absolute mockery out of the sport we all know and love (as well as the sport that made him a multi-millionaire and made him famous). Look, I know he's human and some of the things such as meth usage was the norm for people like that. I know he had some stuff to get off his chest. I respect that, but some of the stuff he did and has now revealed to the world has damaged his reputation. But he didn't need to bring down others with him. A tell-all book isn't a "destroy-everything-and-everyone" book. He made his money playing a sport that we all love, and for him to go back and just trash it to the fullest extent that he could isn't exactly a good thing. It makes him look like an unappreciative git.
     
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    There's no point in writing an autobiography or a biography if you are going to whitewash all the negative bits. The whole point is to include everything, warts and all. Who cares if he makes the ATP or some others look bad? Maybe they deserve to look bad. He certainly didn't spare himself. Most good reputations are not genuine anyway. Better to know the truth than some phony PR image sold to a gullible public. I guess it comes down to whether you would want to swallow the blue or red pill in the Matrix. The fans will just have to deal with it. I think they'll live. It's not as if their lives are going to be significantly affected by any of this.

    Also, Agassi did not say he hates tennis, he said he hated tennis, but later came to love it.

    This book is an insignificant blip in the grand scheme of things. It is a current topic, so everyone is talking about it, but a year or two from now, no one will care and the world will go on regardless. It's really not that important, although it is interesting. Just one man's story about his life's ups and downs. He's hardly destroying everything and everyone.
     
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    I have wondered about her, too. Who is the real Martina? I suppose this kind of speculation belongs in another thread, but your post interested me because her immediate comments re: Agassi's meth use were noticeably harsh. Of course, she's also earned her right to speak as one protecting the game of tennis from ridicule and disrespect. Maybe she was coming from that angle. It's the kindest interpretation, I suppose.
     
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    i hope he got hold of everyone he put don in the book and at least gave them a heads up...
     
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    No, you've got me confused with the gullible fool telling people to watch 60 minutes. He's an idiot, I'm just amused.
     
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    No, I think I pegged you right the first time. Carry on.
     
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    Agassi is the guy who must be really amused, watching people fighting over what he did over a decade ago.

    Jeez, who cares...like Phelps damaged Swimming? nobody even talks about it anymore, and he is still competing. Obama did it and he is the president for crying out loud.
     
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    Michael who????? (Just kidding!!!!) So Andre didn't wear undies eh??? I've heard Lendl didn't either.....
     
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    Is anybody watching the interview right now?
     
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    As to Martina, and most humans, you take the good with the bad. She has done things and said things that make you lose respect, but she's also done good things.

    Why do people always need to have hero or villain? Most people are multi-faceted.
     
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    I saw the interview on 60 Minutes. Agassi is a human like the rest of us, we all make mistakes or will mistakes in life. Despite his brief downfall with the negativity, he has also done a lo of POSITIVE things.................
     
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    I still love Agassi and can't wait to read the book.
     
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