Agassi buys Donnay rackets

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  1. sureshs

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    No, he did not buy the company.

    According to RSI magazine (and who doesn't read it?), Agassi has ordered 46 Donnay Dual XP rackets for this year (senior tour and exos I suppose), paying for them himself (can he afford it?). It is emphasized by Donnay that he is not sponsored by them and will not be appearing in any of their promotions. He playtested 25 frames from 4 manufacturers, and chose Donnay.
     
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    Interesting. I wonder how Head feels about that since he's been playing with them on the Champions Tour. Did JC have anything to do with the Donnay playtest?
     
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  3. sureshs

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    Who/what is JC?
     
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    Jim Courier. He plays with with the Donnay X-P Dual.
     
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  5. BreakPoint

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    Is Head going to sue Agassi since he has a lifetime contract with Head?
     
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  6. scotus

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    Maybe Head has stopped paying him or he feels he is not being paid enough.
     
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    I know that Courier started playing with the Donnay sticks a couple of years ago right when they made their comeback to the market and really evangelized the Donnay sticks with the other players on the seniors tour. Perhaps he got Andre interested. I think Donnay is one of the sponsors of that tour now aren't they?
     
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    Not that he'd need that much convincing, really... Agassi played Donnay frames since the 90's ;)

    Edit: I should say: has played. IIRC He actually bought a mold from them, but I could be wrong :)
     
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  9. scotus

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    In his autobiography, Andre expressed his deep hatred of the Donnay racquet that Bollettieri sort of forced upon him.

    He really wanted to stick to his POG.
     
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  10. BreakPoint

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    But if Head was paying him anything at all it would still be more than Donnay is paying him. At least Agassi didn't have to pay for his Head racquets. :)
     
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    I supose if it is the case he is buying them then he must like them a lot more than the head frames. However, I can't believe he phones up the shop and just ordered them, probably not paying full retail price!
     
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    Well, Agassi might be making a statement to Head: "If you don't pay me more, I'll go ahead and use something else!"
     
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    The RSI news was from Donnay. Donnay said Agassi was now their "best" customer (probably meaning in play level as well as number of frames purchased). So they must have obtained permission from Agassi to say that.

    I always got the impression that both Andre and Stephanie were very hard contract negotiatiors and ruthless businesspeople. Remember the resort they were building in Idaho or somewhere which got into a legal dispute?
     
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  14. sureshs

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    The reps would have been in touch with him all the time, he would go through them.
     
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    On the TW site, there are only 3 Dual XPs and two of them are Lite, the other is Donnay X-P Dual Black 102, which again seems too light.

    Do you think that is what Agassi is ordering? Is he going to lead it up like crazy?
     
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  16. Blaxican10s

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    If Head knew better, they'd just let it go.
     
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  17. BreakPoint

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    I'm sure he got a volume discount by buying 46 racquets. :)
     
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    Sharapova had a lifetime contract with Prince, I think, until she wanted out.

    I'm sure Agassi consulted his lawyer before he started playing with another brand of racquets in public.
     
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  19. BreakPoint

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    Yes, but it's possible that Head bought out Sharapova's "lifetime contract" with Prince. In Agassi's case, Donnay didn't pay Head anything. Besides, it's possible that Head is paying Sharapova even more than Prince did so it would have been an easy decision for her to leave Prince. Not the case here with Agassi since Donnay is apparently not paying him anything. Also, with Prince's recent financial troubles, I'm sure they didn't put up much of a fight to either allow Sharapova's contract to be bought out by Head or just to stop paying her at all. I don't think Head is in the same dire financial trouble.
     
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    Yeah cool, really ironic, yet understandable.

    There is a pretty clear connection here. Roman Prokes (****) was Andre's long time stringer, racquet tuner, and friend, traveled with him on tour. Roman is also part of the NY based group that has licensed the Donnay brand, and is relaunching the product line under that name.

    In his book, Agassi explains that he played with a Donnay frame for a brief moment in the 90's as a favor to Nick B. who was having money issues at the time. Agassi hated that racquet, even states in his book he thought the racquet might end his career if he continued to use it. Donnay thought Andre might end the company with a quick and public break up. The solution was a very quick and poorly executed paint job.

    But that's old news. The Belgium based Donnay of yesterday, bears little resemblance of the Donnay of today. I'm sure Roman might have stuck a few racquets in his arm to try out, but Andre still has to like them. The new line of racquets is nothing like the old, and there is no greater witness for that than Andre himself. Once upon a time you couldn't pay him a gazillion dollars to swing a Donnay, now he's paying for them out of his own pocket. That's quite a turnaround.

    Jack
     
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  21. vsbabolat

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    Sharapova took a pay cut to play with HEAD. She was also using her HEAD YT Radical Pro blacked for almost a year before she officially signed with HEAD. Sharapova was getting $25 million for 10 years from Prince. She still had another 5 years on the Prince deal when they both agreed to end the relationship. Sharapova signed with HEAD for a reported $10 million for 5 years. That would be a reduction of $500,000 a year if the twitter report is accurate.

    http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/article/105392
     
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  22. BreakPoint

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    But I thought Sharapova's deal with Prince was a "lifetime contract"?

    "Prince Sports announced today that Maria Sharapova, the 2004 Wimbledon Champion and the most recognized face in professional women’s sports, has signed a lifetime endorsement agreement that extends their relationship together through her playing career and beyond."

    http://www.tenniswire.org/archives/2006/aug/pr_571.html

    In any case, if she had stayed with Prince, she would have ended up getting nothing per year from Prince when they declared bankruptcy which cancels previous contracts. Maybe she saw the writing on the wall and bolted before that happened? So in effect, she's making a lot more money now having switched to Head ($2 million/year) than if she stayed with Prince ($0 /year).
     
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  23. BreakPoint

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    FYI, Agassi was already using a Donnay racquet at the 1989 US Open. Not exactly sure when he switched from his Prince POG to the Donnay tough.
     
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    Yes i would hope had he of wondered into TW shop and said "I'd like some discount for 46" they would of been able to take off 10% or so for him.:)
     
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    The news item said he ordered 6 first, then 40 more later.

    BTW, you guys think it must be the 102 Black, right?

    If Agassi is willing to pay for them himself, I am assuming the racket is real good?
     
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  26. PeteD

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    It means it is good for his purposes
     
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    Well, if it is good enough for Agassi, it should be more than good enough for us.

    I am interested because this is one of the few cases where a player has actually chosen a racket independent of contract, that too after retirement after 20 years. Sampras did not play with the PS 85 after retirement.
     
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  28. BreakPoint

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    That's because Sampras had already switched to the PS Tour 90 before he officially retired. He was practicing with the PS Tour 90 throughout 2003 while debating which tournaments he should play in until he officially decided to retire at the 2003 US Open, so he never got to play any actual matches with it.
     
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  29. MAXXply

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    If he really loved the POG OS so much, why wouldn't Agassi simply buy a box full of the current ones? I mean, sure it's been nearly 25 years since he last wielded the original (or original 4-stripe), but isn't the current version still in the same ballpark in terms of mold at least?? That way, it wouldn't be a big leap back to what he liked best, frame-wise.
     
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  30. RollTrackTake

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    that's not necessarily true. Prince's new owners could have re-negotiated with Sharapova much like they recently did with Isner.

    http://www.prnewswire.com/news-rele...lti-million-dollar-partnership-168045016.html
     
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  31. BreakPoint

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    Yes, now that Prince has been acquired, they are a new company and can negotiate new contracts, but two years ago the future was more uncertain and a bankruptcy can nullify all existing contracts. At the time, it was a much safer bet for Sharapova to switch to Head for a guaranteed $2 million/year than risk having Prince stop making payments to her.
     
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  32. UCSF2012

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    You idiots. Lifetime contracts don't exist. Even if you sign a "lifetime contract," it's not enforcable in the US. It legally doesn't exist. That's why Sharapova easily walked away from her "lifetime contract." She didn't even have to pay any penalty. That's why Agassi didn't give a crap about his lifetime contract with Head.
     
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  33. BreakPoint

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    Are you an attorney?

    Of course, there are usually exit conditions written into these contracts, but if both parties perform as expected and neither party exercises their option to exit the contract then the contract can indeed be in effect for the rest of a player's career and beyond or for the rest of their life if that's how it's stipulated in the contract.

    As far as Sharapova goes, Prince was in deep financial trouble and was probably happy to be able to stop paying her $2.5 million/year.
     
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  34. lgbalfa

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    is agassi still using donnay right now?
     
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    Don't think so. Saw him using Babolat a few months ago. Maybe back to Head now?
     
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  36. ace0001a

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    No he ended up going back to his Head Radical OS. He played on the Powershares seniors tour events last year and was using his last batch of Radicals without a Head stencil on the strings. Guess the Donnays and Babolats where just experiments for him.
     
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    Prince is not coming back. It's in terminal decline.
     
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    Can he afford its roughly 11,000 of rackets. he is worth over 100 million.
     
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  39. BounceHitBounceHit

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    Jimmy Arias mentioned during the broadcast of one of the Power Shares events Agassi was unhappy with the Donnay frames and went back to Head. He didn't say why, just that he was unhappy. BHBH
     
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    While a bit terse, USCF is correct. The "lifetime" contracts you hear about are really nothing more than marketing. While Federer has a "lifetime" (better termed 'no cut') deal with Wilson, I would imagine there are some contingencies. Likewise, if Federer fell in love with another racquet, there is nothing keeping him locked in with Wilson. I would imagine his agent/attorney negotiated an exit for him if he thinks he can play better with something else. I would imagine any agent would do same for a top name; read Sharapova. So that would mean that the new racquet company wouldn't have to buy out the old contract.
     
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    Isn't that what I said? i.e., Prince released Sharapova from her "lifetime contract" so that she was free to sign a new contract with Head because Prince did not want to continue paying her $2.5 million/year given its dire financial predicament?
     
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    That's a lot of rackets for someone who hates tennis. :twisted:
     
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    why did he hate the Donnay racquet? I mean he won Wimbledon with it and that thing revived his career.
     
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    Good for Donnay. I don't like the Duals, but the X-Series are amazing.

    It must be terribly hard to compete with the likes of Wilson, Head, and Babolat in terms of contract/sponsorship.

    Unfortunately, Agassi's exhibition matches aren't exactly filling center courts around the world.

    I'd hate tennis too BTW if Bolleteri was yelling at me all of the time and having to coordinate horrible yellow midriff outfits with feathered and dyed balding haircuts.
     
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    This has been discussed extensively on the Pro Equipment section, and there is some really great information on there.

    Bollettieri had a contract with Donnay and forced Andre to use them. I don't think he ever liked them, and eventually just started spray painting POGs black and put the Donnay stencil on them. Eventually Donnay made a wide beam frame (I believe this was the Ultimate Pro), and he played some tournament with it and played extremely well with it, just destroying his opponents. Then came the FO and he played like **** and broke every single Donnay frame he had in his bag, and demanded they give him back his old Pro One. Eventually they made the Donnay Pro One Ltd. Ed. and was a lot similar to the racket that Andre actually used (that is, it was more of a pro stock racket, I believe it was similar to the POG). I think he liked this racket, but finally he went with Head, and I guess this satisfied him up until now.
     
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    Related side note... It looks like Jim Courier has switched to the very same XP 102 (That Agassi used briefly on the senior tour) from his Donnay x-99 reds. Heard Jimmy Arias say he strings em at 72.
     
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  48. High street sw19

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    Don't get confused here folks, the New Donnay licencee (the Korean guy's) that are flogging racquets in the US have Zero to do with the history and past reputation on the dead Belgian brand.
     
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  49. Timbo's hopeless slice

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    ye, true that

    the new frames are actually good...
     
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    The thing is that the brand in it's current guise could fold at any time on a whim from Mike Ashley, he is well known for being a loose cannon and they probably wont exist in a few years time, and the licencees have no control over it.
     
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