Discussion in 'General Pro Player Discussion' started by Pro_Tour_630, Sep 9, 2004.
and of course weight of his LUXILON strings :roll: :lol: :mrgreen:
and he also choked!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
no he didn't.. if anything he had the worse of it hitting with the wind on those last two games. Federer could really unload because he was hitting into the wind and know that he wouldn't hit it out. Andre had to worry about the wind taking his shots long which it did. What it boils down to is Federer coped with the weather better than Andre did.. but they sure served up a great game from the bits I saw.
ok, federer was able to change his game and played the pressure points better.
it was a great game...both great players...nobody choked...conditions weren't ideal certainly, but both players coped.
agassi played really well i thought...federer, imho, didn't play to his full capability, and yet still won. goes to show federer's talent, but not taking anything away from agassi, whom i have great respect for as well.
I thought the windy conditions would adversely affect Agassi less because he takes the ball early and has relatively compact swings.
totally agree...the winds probably affected federer more than it did agassi.
I'd agree Andre should cope better and I dunno if he did. The thing though is at the business end of the set Fed was lucky he was hitting into the wind.. it's so much easier to be able to swing freely under pressure than to know u have to hit with control or the wind will take your shots out (as Andre had to cope with).
the wind affects ferderer more. agassi is used to the wind being from las vegas, has the more compact strokes, and is able to hit through the wind with powerful groundstrokes. matches like this show the differences bteween agassi and a federer or sampras. PLAYING UNDER PRESSUUUUURE!
Agreed, a head or tail wind does make the big difference you described.
For me it is much easier to hit with the wind behind me. You don't have to swing your hardest and you still get a penetrating deep shot, which can be harder to return than my normal shots. I especially love serving with the wind. When I hit into the wind, I have trouble getting enough depth on the ball and always seem to leave short balls and get stuck on defense. Why do you all think it is so much harder playing with the wind behind you?
the wind definitly worse off fed's game more than agassi's. you could see how much top spin federer put into his shots n that's not quite usual for his hard court game.
You're close, Michael. Andre actually lost because he dug up the String Board Luxilon threads from some weeks ago. It's Y-O-U-R fault. 8)
i agree..it's chaho's fault,, agassi read that thread and started thinking how heavy his racquet was feeling beacuse thos alu string weigh more actually i thought the wind affected both obviously and prolly affected fed more than andre. i also think that agassi could NOT have played better than he did..that was his max. conversly i thought feds forehand was off for both days and he made more volleying errors than i've ever seen him..this goes to show what a great champion he is..he beat the master of court position and strategist when he wasnt playing his best..i thought feds serve really pulled him thru as it often does. ed
I knew I had something to do with it, AA was playing like "girly men" as ANOD would say. His stick looked soooo heavy during the last set due to the weight of his Luxilon Polys. If I may add, it was very humide/wet as well and we all know how slippery those LUXILON PLOYS get when exposd to moisture. Hmmmm ! maybe I should start a new thread about the adverse affects of moisture on Luxilon strings
NoBadMojo, could you suck up to Federer any more? Agassi was far from playing at his max. Federer being able to win does NOT make him a "great champion"..you make Federer sound like he could win against anyone anytime, when just a few weeks ago, he was out of the Olympics in the second round.
About the last two games:
Obviously Fed had the chance to blast out, but mind you that it's very exausting to keep hitting out like that, even for a pro! His shots weren't penetrating at all in my opinion and 9 out of 10 ended up well in front of the baseline, so if Agassi had just kept it's cool then he could have finished the points by just applying massive topspin and in a way fatigue Fed or let Fed make the error (hitting out causes you to error more easily, we all know that..).
One thing I did notice was that Agassi seemed to cope better with the wind, especially on the forehand side. They're so fast and penetrating that the wind has, compared to Fed's, little effect on them. Fed had quite a few problems, like missing volleys all the time (might not have been the wind though), forehands that were well off or 3/4 paced and especially backhand slices. I remember that in either the fourth or the fifth, I reckon the fourth, he hit a slice backhand that was well blown out by the wind and ever since you could see that he was forcing to play a topspin backhand. I believe he hit the slice backhand only once or twice after that, but only after regaining confidence. Whereas a slice backhand should give you safety and time, Fed had to cope with other safety measures. Agassi didn't seem to suffer on his backhand too much, except for some timing perhaps..
I'm not advocating Federer here, I just point some things out. I know Agassi wasn't playing at his best, but neither did Federer. The best player won today, simple as that. Coping with weather and nerves are assets that make the difference and don't come whining that Agassi had a disadvantage in the last two games, because obviously Federer should have had that disadvantage the two games before that as well, so Agassi should have taken advantage then...
Both of them played superlative tennis. The match should have been postponed. That wind was outrageous ! The fact that they could rally under those conditions says all there needs to be said about how well they played.
I thought Agassi lost because in the fifth set he fell back into his A game, controlling from the baseline, on the side with the wind at his back, whereas he won the fourth set by coming to the net on that side.
These guys always have pretty close matches so it doesn't surprise me that it was won by just a break late in the fifth. I wish I could have seen the first three sets, then maybe I could draw a better conclusion.
Wait....Federer plays with Luxilon too. Using this line of logic, he should have lost as well.
Fed plays with 1/2 luxilon because he knows better not to use a full luxilon set up.
Bunny, hows the crow feathers choking yah,
Thank god AA lost or else we’d still be seeing desperate posts from you along those lines,
Yes, but since Federer uses a half job, most certainly his balance is thrown off as well? And since he has more touch than any human on the planet, most certainly he will begin to falter and fail in the near future.
This from the old fart (your description) who happens to build frames for professional players. He strung one racket twice, once with ALU and once with a 17 gauge multi. He then took measurements of the same frame, just for you. Here are the measurements:
Strung with Alu-Power 1.25mm @ 29x27:
31.890 cm balance
363 inertia, (RDC)
Strung with 17 gauge multi:
31.710 cm balance
359 inertia (RDC)
To get the inertia the same, (if one wanted to…and do so using the LEAST amount of weight, placed at 12-O’clock) you would have to add .5 grams – yes, ½ of a gram.
By contrast, a Tournagrip can change in weight ten grams or more depending on how much one sweats. I would assume that right now you'd be swelling a Tournagrip to over 20 grams or so. By your exacting standards, the following warning should appear on every package of Tournagrip sold in the US.
CAUTION! Tourna Grip users!! You are adding EXCESSIVE weight to your frame due to the fantastic sweat absorption of this product! You should CHANGE at once, and not use any product that absorbs perspiration! Simply remove ALL grips and play with just the naked handle!
He sent me these on 31MAY04, but I decided not to post. But, since you've decided to reopen, I figured what the heck. You'd probably be a better judge of the taste of crow, but I can safely say that revenge is a dish best served cold.
First of all it shows very low class of you showing your face on this thread,
Second thanks for letting us all know by confirming that luxilon strings weight more which is my point from the beginning bunny, plain and simple, in this example by 3grams in others can be more than 10grams,
And Finally your buddies tests are inconclusive. Which multi? on what stick? try a sub 290gram stick and let us know your BS inertia reading?!?!? huh.....
First of all, this thread was a bait plain and simple. You're just mad because I responded, as I should have back then. Please don't attempt to lecture me about class when you won't let sleeping dogs lie.
Second, the issue wasn't whether Luxilon strings "weight" more as you put it, I agreed with that assertion. It was whether they made a difference to Agassi's game that was at issue. And, it was whether they made a significant difference in balance which they clearly do not. Unless you consider a half a gram (.5 gram) significant. The string, by the way, was Volkl Power Fibre 17 gauge. Let me guess....that string is too heavy for this test?
Thirdly, a sub 290 stick? Agassi plays with a sub 290 stick? Man, I love the way we keep changing the parameters to suit our argument. At this rate, you'll have him playing with a badminton racket and then voila you'll say "See!!! See!!! See!!! it does make a difference."
Lastly, the stick in question was a Dunlop 300G which was the property of a tour pro. He, unlike the majority (99%) of these boards, has access to and works with the guys who do this for a living. He, unlike you, works with fact, not speculation. He, has actually worked with Agassi, have you????? Why don't you list the professional tennis players that you've built frames for...I'd be really interested.
Look back over these threads and you'll see that I admit when I'm wrong. Maybe some day you'll find out that when you're wrong it's best to admit it and move on. I tried to let this die, but you're the one who brought it back up. I asked a professional about your assertion and while technically correct, as I stated before, it doesn't make any difference to the overall playability of a frame. He agrees and if you look deep down, you will too.
One more time. I agree that Luxilon strings weigh a little more than regular multis & synthetics. It just doesn't make any difference.
Rabbit, you are a nothing but a sniper, a loner, a poker junkie at best, who would rather wait all these months to show their findings than to come clean immediately. “BAIT”!?!, Your first post on this thread was a “BAIT” so you can post your BS imaginary findings. You come here on this thread with your pathetic arrogant remarks, which show how desperate you really are. Please spare us your frustration with what little dignity and respect you have left. In an email to LH, I mentioned if Andre won another major I would be the first one on the boards to admit it and eat crow. Your knee jerk reaction to my Luxilon weight finding is what got you in trouble in the first place, a subject which you knew nothing about. Rabbit I have better things to do right now than to refute your imaginary buddy’s findings. Frankly, I could care less. Finally, whenever you lose a match and you start doubting the weight of your luxilon strings, you think of me now, Rabbit. REPEAT AFTER ME, THREE GRAMS IS THREE GRAMS NO MATTER WHERE IT IS ON THE FRAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If you play with 400+ grams sticks, of course the degree of 3-4 grams being noticeable deminishes more and more, but if you are like most players who swing a NORMAL 325g stick 3-4grams can be noticeable and significant enough to bother some. Point of all of this is that if I got YOU up all night to adjust for weight of your Luxilon then I have done my share and you should thank me for shedding some light to your narrow and blind view of Luxilon strings :roll:
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