Agassi says he tanked matches, calls Sampras one dimensional, calls Connors a name

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  1. slice bh compliment

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    I believe I just did in the post above. Again, I think you are correct if you are referring to the Pete of 1999 - present.

    But if you look at the bulk of his career, he was often referred to as one of the most complete players of the Open era.
    Obviously Federer has trashed that claim soundly in the past 5 or 6 years, but at the time, practically the entire worldwide tennis community praised Pete for his movement, his attacking game and his transition.

    I know one or two matches here and there can never tell the whole story, but if I had time I'd look up thenumber of DTL BH Winners Pete hit against Andre. That's probably his worst shot, and he'd clean Andre's clock with it. I sat right by the court once when they played in San Jose once. I think Pete won 2 and 3 or so. Pretty routine. At least 8 smoking BH winners from just behind the baseline.

    Seriously, Pete used to be good from every single square inch of a tennis court (not just on serves and volleys). In fact, I'd argue that his volleys weren't really Top Tier (Edberg, Mac, Rafter, Roche, et al).

    Oh, and, by the way, I'm biased. I played in some of the same tournaments Pete did as a kid. In 14s, the kid was one of the best backcourt players ever. Like Borg almost, with a little Jimmy thrown in. But shy, stoic and quiet like Laver in a way....with the gawky, skinny, lanky body of a geek. I remember him as a tall kid, too, but I guess he stopped growing at 16 or so.

    Anyway, sorry to derail the thread.
     
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  2. bolo

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    It tells you a little bit about why agassi kept losing to sampras at the open. He seems to have misdiagnosed the problem some.
     
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  3. Ive heard that expression, it exists in Sweden to you know, i just wondered if you might have forgotten that Ashe is no longer with us. I do have respect for what Ashe accomplished and I see no reason why you are implying otherwise.

    I look at it like this, Rafter and Edberg both did really well in FO,USO,Wimby and AO (At least Edberg who won it 2 times) WITHOUT a monster-serve like Pete`s. That to ME shows everyone that they are not one-dimensional-they are VERY adaptable.

    Lets say you are right "Pete could defend well"...Really? Can you give me any proof of that on lets say clay? Where i feel defence is the most cruicial. To defend on fast HC or grass doesnt take half the effort of doing it on clay, look at Nadal. THAT is clay-defence. (I dont even like Nadal) More proof? OK! Look at Murray and Simon who have a huge defense-game on HC but when it comes to clay they look like recreational-players.

    Again, that was on grass. And i admit that Pete`s defense was good on that particular surface.
    Maybe im not old enough? Well, since im 30 and have followed tennis since 1986 and seen Becker Edberg AND Sampras live i do think i have a clue.
     
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    Andre's game won him Majors on every surface and he's been in every Major final at least once. Sampras with his game couldn't achieve either feat which is why Andre calls him 'one dimensional'. Maybe calling him a fast court player or limited to great achievements on fast courts only is more accurate?
     
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    I understand many people here like Sampras. I like him too. I like him more than Agassi. But I have to say this, again: No one played Sampras more than Agassi, and if any one knows about Sampras's game, it is Agassi. YOU, can not know more about Sampras's game more than Agassi. And the chance of Agassi being wrong is much smaller than your analysis being wrong. You don't just go out and question what Agassi says about Sampras. Who are you to say that.

    Agassi is all rebelion. He was that when he first came on tour. He is still that, when he published all this in his book. Many people wonder why Agassi does this to himself, by revealing wrong doings and damages his own image. Some say he wants to sell his book. Do you really think he need that money? The man is rich enough. He is still rebelion. He does things that against the tradition. And he says things that others do not dare to say. Who else dare to put it on print and call Sampras a 1 dimentional? No one, except Sampras's main rival.
     
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  6. NamRanger

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    Um. I think you people are misunderstanding what Agassi meant by one-dimensional. I'm pretty sure Agassi meant Pete Sampras' behavior and demeanor were one dimensional and robotic, not his game.



    Am I the only one with the reading comprehension skills to understand that or something?
     
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  7. bolo

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    Yes that would be a more accurate statement.
     
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    All this presumes Agassi is a completely objective source, and thinks only with his knowledge of Sampras and the game, and not with any chip on his shoulder and bitterness with all those pivotal defeats he took to Sampras over the years. Such a presumption would be incredibly naive at best.
     
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    Playing tennis with no underwear? He must have worn a cup or something. I can't imagine running around the court with your wiener swinging freely.
     
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    He may be biased, but not more than you or others.

    The fact that he was a highly successful professional tennis player for almost 3 decades gives his opinion a lot of weight.
     
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    Translation: give a cover-all excuse why he had his ass handed to him in particular matches. In this way, his defenders will cite said particular matches and claim "oh, he just tanked it."

    Good job, Agassi. Sinking ever so quickly down to pit of bitter loser....especially after his comments about Connors.
     
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    That's how you enhance your kinetic chain :D.
     
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    sampras did a lot better at the FO than rafter and rafter was fitter than sampras which is a more important trait than the serve at the FO.

    Edberg only did one round better than sampras at the FO and he was probably A LOT fitter than sampras.
     
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    Edberg has 3 QFs and a Final. He also has 3 titles on clay, two in which he beat Stich and Bruguera. I'd say he's alot better than Sampras on clay, simply because he grew up on the surface and is much more comfortable moving on it.
     
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    Pete did the same with his 'good' tennis or 'great' tennis days and don't his fans dismiss virtually all his losses as Pete being not at his best, injured or past his best.
     
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    sampras also has 3qfs and a sf at RG and has a big title on clay. I need more info. before I can say edberg is a lot better, but I would guess you are right because as you say edberg played more on that surface at a young age.
     
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    Lol Conquistador. Pete's talent in his pinky is equivalent to your whole body so I wouldnt be talking if i were you
     
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    A huge baseline game and return game is WAY more one-dimensional than a huge serve, great net game, monster forehand, and incredible athleticism
     
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    Did you ever play Pete as a junior?
     
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  20. Cesc Fabregas

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    Agassi comes across as a complete *****, Sampras one dimensional? HAHAHA, Sampras in his prime could play anywhere on the court.

    As for his comment on Chang, well he should be ashamed of himself. He's critising Chang for thanking God, what a low piece of trash. Agassi's clearly carrying alot of hate, and has had a chip on his shoulder for a LONG time.
     
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    Connors was a pr!ck back in the days
    when you compare Sampras and Federer;Sampras IS one dimensional(not even a final in the French capital to explain his supposed "god" status before the real God took over and showed what real all-surface meant)
    Sampras is a republican so it doesn't surprise me that he's a horrible tipper!
     
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  22. Agassi is very religeous himself, look at what he did after winning the FO in 1999.
    Spending time with B G will probably make you do dumb things like this.
    And again, this was a long time ago.
     
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  23. bolo

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    you should write your own book about your jr. tennis days, the way it's going right now it will be a lot better than agassi's book. :)
     
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    this thread is something special
     
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    Agassi's new nickname is now "Meat spin"
     
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    You don't shorts with inner liners? Tennis warehouse sell plenty.
     
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    Inner liners? You mean those shorts with a loose mesh?
    Honestly I just wear some shorts I got at walmart. And underwear of course.
     
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    thank you. My thoughts exactly. Pete was lucky that 3/4 slams were played on fast or med-fast surfaces. He IS limited because he needed the surface to assist him & his serve. If he had a mediocre serving day, most likely the match would be over in straights.

    Having said that, 1-dimensional may be too harsh; but certainly he was nowhere close to being the versatile player some tards paint him out to be.
     
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    wow. these revelations sound like they came from the national equirer :shock:
     
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    not suprised by the comments about connors. they didn't really get along from the get-go, did they?
     
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    I think people should keep in mind that excerpts are easily taken out of context.
     
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    Agreed... but then Agasssi was my least favorite player in his era. For the longest time I used to say he was the guy with the most press without having never won anything.

    I wonder how he feels about losing to a guy, when you know exactly what he is going to do... and you can't do anything about it.
     
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    Sampras seemed to tank a few matches in his time. Many of the top players will do so occasionally. (Show up at insignificant tournament x, collect appearance/guarantee money, mysteriously lose to a much lesser player in the first or second round, go home and rest up for a tournament that matters.) There are a few players who never seem to tank, Chang for one. Nadal for another. Maybe Muster. Conners probably as well. Their will to win is so great tanking isn't an option for them. Also there does seem to be a lot of professional jealousy among top players; not too surprising in a zero sum game.


    When AA tanked, it was usually obvious. He had a bad reputation for awhile. Towards the latter part of his career, he got his act together.

    AA said he wanted to write and honest tell-all. If so, he will **** some people off in the process.

    The Sampras tip thing is funny. There was a post here years ago, maybe on the old board, by a guy who was either a low level employee of a tournament or a guest services/concierge employee of the resort where the tournament was held. He wrote that Sampras had a day(s) off and wanted someone to show him around the area. (I'm thinking it was Scottsdale or Palm Springs but maybe it was another venue.)

    This fellow claimed that he drove Pete around for a day, or two, on his own time and at his own expense, basically keep him entertained, took him golfing, driving him around, etc. When it came time for Pete to leave, he gives the guy a really low tip $5, $20? for two days of catering to his whims. The poster wasn't pleased as the tip didn't even approach his out of pockets costs. I have know idea if it was a true story, but he gave enough detail that it rang true.

    http://www.nytimes.com/1997/12/26/s...-all-right-like-maple-syrup.html?pagewanted=1

    Given the above article, Sampras probably gave the guy all the cash he had in his wallet.
     
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    Good joke. Agassi--the one dimensional baseliner responsible for influencing the following two generations' worth of equally one-dimensional baseliners (with few exceptions) calls Sampras' game one dimensional--the guy who was a brilliant S&V, and could easily play any other part of the court.

    Poor, bitter Agassi.
     
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  35. Michael Bluth

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    I believe what Agassi said about Connors being an ass. Sampras in his book too comments about Connors and says(in much nicer terms but you can read between the lines) about Connors being a cold fish and not getting along well with him.
     
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    This thread belongs in the "Former Pro Player Section".
     
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  37. MichaelChang

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    lol damn. I would be pissed too if I were him.
     
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    i wonder what he thought about john mcenroe :)
     
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    I'm with him on the Michael Chang thing. I hate it when athletes thank God on the field. The thought that God spent his time that day influencing the outcome of a tennis match, soccer match, etc. makes me cringe.
     
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    +1. As if 'God' loves that player more than his opponent... yeah sure.
     
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    lol, sampras one dimensional ??????? hell no, not in his play !

    However could his mindset could be described as one-dimensional ! I'd probably say yes - attack, attack and attack for most part

    In contrast to what the fanatic grafselesfan says sampras did NOT have great defense.

    And yeah themagicianofprecision, edberg won both of his AO titles on grass
     
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    First of all a bit ROTFL at you of all people calling me a fanatic. Secondly Sampras did have very good defense when he had to (not that he had to much as hardly anyone could take him out of control), much better than Agassi atleast who actually was mediocre on defense at best. No Sampras did not defend as well as Federer and Nadal, but alot better than Agassi could (in addition to being more deadly offensively than Agassi as well which was Agassi's strength).
     
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    Was Sampras one dimensional? At times, yes. It's not necessarily a slight to say that, however, as his S&V gameplan was one of the greatest 'dimensions' in the history of the sport. But if you're telling me Sampras could have won 14 slams playing from the baseline, I've got some land to sell you in Afghanistan. Sure he was 1D at times, relying heavily on the serve. If Sampras was the great baseline player some of his fans try to paint him to be, he'd have better results on clay during his career - sorry to go there, but it's true.
     
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    Of course Sampras wouldnt have won 14 slams only playing from the baseline. However Agassi wouldnt even get out of the satellite circuit serve and volleying regularly.
     
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    Ga dang what the hell is wrong with this man? Is he on drugs now? Is he determined to tarnish the "legacy" he had created? What the heck!
     
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    I'm not sure who'd have won given their forms and history, but one thing is for sure >> chang becker matchup has no relevance to the agassi becker matchup , they're poles apart

    umm, obviously you do not know the meaning of schooling >> try the agassi becker match at wimbledon in 92 . becker barely got by agassi in the 95 SF , coming back from double break down in the 2nd

    uhh, he went to 5 with corretja too IIRC >> agassi had peaked early that summer HC season and his form had tapered off when the USO came around

    P.S. This is in addition to breakpoint's post ! .
     
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    He won three grand slam titles. His french (and the rest after 1997) dont count because he was either on meth or steroids.

    14 > 3

    Kinda funny to hear someone who cant even volley or hit a flat serve (until they got on steroids) call someone else one dimentional.
     
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    Well Agassi was routinely destroyed more times than not by the one dimensional sampras. How could the great andre agassi let a one dimensional player beat him 20 times and never get a win off him at a wimbeldon or USO? Sampras had more dimensions to his game than Andre ever had. Whether it be from the baseline, attacking the net, or serving the cover off the ball.
     
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    What is relevant is the way Agassi was playing at that years Australian Open he was never going to win it period. He was lucky to even make the semis, needing chokes from Bjorkman and a past his prime Courier who both had him beat. If he tanked vs Chang as he arrogantly claimed it is only because he knew he was in **** form at the time, and Chang had given his all he could handle on hard courts even the last 2 years when he was at his all time best, so he knew he was going down regardless of his effort that day.

    LOL so the match that went 5 sets is the one someone was schooled (and for the record in the midst of one of Becker's worst years of tennis ever- 1992). Typical sad attempt of logic by you. :rolleyes: Getting schooled is after going up a set and 2 breaks in the 2nd, then getting bullied around the remainder of the match and the closest coming to winning a remaining set is winning 1 point in a tiebreak, LOL!

    Sampras had to go 5 sets with Corretja at next years U.S Open too, and even had to save a match point. Corretja has beaten Sampras, Agassi, and everyone else multiple times on hard courts. Corretja has won the Tennis Masters Cup on hard courts, and another Masters title in Indian Wells, as well as other tournaments on the surface. Your point would be? Corretja while predominantly known as an outstanding clay courter, was also a quality hard courter who is just yet another example of the many dangerous dark horses that existed on every single surface back in that very deep era.
     
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    Sampras had decent defense, that's about it ... He could run down some balls quickly yes, but could he retrieve balls time and again >> no, which is he would go for the broke most of the times

    Him being better at defense than agassi is hardly any compliment to him considering agassi's defense was just about decent at best and mediocore at worst ...
     

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