Discussion in 'Former Pro Player Talk' started by jamesblakefan#1, Nov 6, 2009.
Funny how my thread title got changed. Called Connors "a name". :lol:
What makes you think that?
Nope, you missed the epilogue, where he admits to being on the grassy knoll.
Not sure why ppl are baggin on pete's personality when agassi's was fake. Im sure agassi isnt very nice to be around when the clown face isnt on, thus his "invented" personality.
Yeah, because you've spent so much time around him.
Guys like Federer, Roddick, Blake, revere the guy and always talk about how great of a person he is. But yeah, I'm sure they're all lying.
Digested read is so awesome. That summary of his autobiography was an amazing burn.
Federer is anything but phony. If you read about how he treats the other players on tour, even the women's tour, how friendly he is towards people in the locker room and the player's lounge, how he loves to joke and kid around with the other players, how he treats the fans, how he makes himself available to other people, to the fans, and to the media, how open he is about everything, how he was the only player to send Blake a get well card when he was in the hospital.....you'd know that he seems like just a regular guy and not full of himself. This is why all the other players love him and cheer for him to win.
Did Sampras do any of these things? I don't think so. He was pretty full of himself and an egomaniac. Which is one reason why he was a bad tipper, i.e., he thought he was above everyone else.
And just how do you know this? Are you a personal "friend"? acquaintance? relative? Know "someone" who "knows" him? Ever spent time with him? Been invited to his house?
I am running out of positive things to say about Mr. Andre. Methinks I need to stay away from the media.
I second that!
Do you guys even pay attension?
Goran's comments on the drug thing. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/tennis/8344014.stm
Perhaps we should start looking ahead for an autobiography from Graf.
Book's name perhaps will be "Close" as in close your %#%@& trap already. You have a wife and kids who have to live through your less than endearing revelations.
Agassi is way more multi-dimensional than Sampras.
Sampras didn't win FO.
Agassi was able to win all 4 slams.
Therefore, Agassi had the dimensions needed in his game to win all surfaces. Sampras, only grass/hard.
Am I witnessing a rivalry between the Sampras fans and the Agassi fans in this thread??!!??!!
Does Agassi have to be multi-dimensional to call some one one-dimensional?
Agassi has access to other dimensions, he has been repairing rips in the fabric of space time since the late 18th century. Compared to him Sampras is merely human, and a bad tipper.
I really don't care if Andre wore a wig when he played. And I didn't care if he didn't wear underwear when he played. I never pegged him for a Fruit of the Loom guy anyway, however; if he or anyone admits to tanking matches, that's very bad for our sport.
Hello all !
i'm rather surprised by the fact that Agassi tanked matches comes as a revelation.
It was quite obvious, especially at AO 1996, and in other instances... But at each occasion, Agassi was clearly in much distress.
Now, I'm a bit fed up with this expectation of "perfection" when it comes down to professionnal sport.
Mister Nobody occasionnally tanks his day at work. And we are not going to ask him to justify.
Many current high profile players tank matches times and again : Gasquet and Safin are the best examples.
Below the link to a summary of the Agassi-Chang 1996 AO semi-final...
Clearly, there is something wrong with Agassi.
I'm sorry, I don't know what "attension" is...
Why don't we limit this thread to those of us who can say we have never made a mistake, never told a lie, never told a lie to get out of trouble, never done anything stupid or illegal, never felt depressed, or desperate, or hurt and did something not smart to alleve the pain...I sure wouldn't be able to post...
I've read through these threads, read the "shocking" revelation, and quite frankly, I don't see what all the big deal is....if those posters (Agassi haters) who are so "shocked or disappointed" told the TRUTH, the truth would be that they are delighting in Agassi's revelation. If they told the TRUTH they would admit that they aren't terribly appalled by what he did - they just love the opportunity to "tut-tut" Agassi. And for those of you who spout that he's "hurt the image of the ATP" - what a crock! The ATP isn't the Vatican or the Gov't of the USA. If they're embarrassed by their actions - tough - Agassi isn't the first and won't be the last tennis player to whom they will turn a blind eye...the ATP is a business and they'll do what's best for the business. As for "hurting tennis" - nonsense - Agassi did more for tennis than 75% of the players who ever played the game - maybe 90% - he took a public that was totally indifferent to the sport we love and made them fans. And now he had the "nads" (as so many of you are fond of saying) to man up and admit his mistakes. When so many ask - why would he admit it? - then I wonder what kind of people they can be. Maybe he wanted to confess. Maybe, just maybe, he thought it would make him feel better. He turned his life around, became a thoroughly respectable person and his philanthropy cannot be denied. Just as he can admit to his mistakes, he can also admit to the total love he has for his wife, his children, his dedication to his school. But haters don't want to hear that, do they? The most amazing revelation for me (in the excerpts I have read) is that Agassi was obviously a victim of child-abuse.
When Rafael Nadal (a player whom I thoroughly enjoy) says he is shocked and disappointed then Rafa isn't remembering his feelings when his parents divorced - his devastation which caused him to plummet - because Rafa had a close and loving family who surrounded him, helped him through his hurt. He should remember that he is fortunate that he didn't have to turn to other means. As for Martina Navratilova - her bitterness and caustic remarks only hurts herself - maybe her mother never told her that. When Boris Becker confesses "shock" - well, Agassi never knocked up a perfect stranger in a broom closet...
This is all a huge tempest in a teapot.
Sampras was not just a serve. His volleys were terrific, and his groundstrokes were vastly underrated.
ok thats going too far. agassi is a great philanthropist, but not as good as federer.
before all this admissions, i thought the only flaw agassi had (as a tennis legend) was he lost his hair early :shock:
lolz. Are you serious? You need to familiarize yourself with all the philanthropic work that Agassi has done. Agassi's foundation has raised 60 million dollars for underprivileged children. That is way more than Federer.
Let's all just calm down a little up. Are you guys really that outraged with Agassi in a world where children die to malnutrition and poverty everyday?
Let's be outraged about bigger and more important things.
yea but agassi is retired. i am pretty certain federer will devote more to his charity 10years from now
yea seriously. in the grand scheme of things hes a great athlete and great guy off the court. hes human. hes done more than most of us ever will
How much money did his foundation managed to raise at the age of 28?
I already told you to STFU you little ugly ****
Some of these comments are consistent with other books
A great book on the tennis circuit in general is "Hard Courts" by John Feinstein (the author of Season on the Brink). A book about the Men's pro circuit in the early 90s. In that book, John wrote of tanking on the tour. So this revelation is not something new.
Feinstein also wrote about the whole Born Again Christianity thing. Chang and Agassi used to be in a bible study group together with I believe David Wheaton. The quote regarding Chang thanking G-d and G-d taking sides in a Grand Slam Final being ludicrous and insulting between Chang and Agassi was also in Feinstein's book.
Its interesting if Agassi hammered Sampras in his book because Sampras paints a different picture of their relationship in his book including the "swinging from a tree" comment being cooked up by Nike.
Regarding Pete being one-demensional, the context may be that Pete was so focused on tennis and being number one which is something that Pete admitted in his book.
Regarding Jimmy Connors, that is no revelation either because it is well documented that although he was a crowd favorite he was obviously all the things Agassi wrote.
The underwear, now thats a whole another story.
This is beginning to look like Fed-Nadal.
Tanking Matches was common place for Agassi. I remember one time at the 1st round of Candadian open, he just tanked or dumped the 1st round match so that he can fly back and relax or attend to his personal business. The guy he played was some unknown guy. Agassi was hitting everything 5-10 feet out, it was funny. ATP is so biased, they did nothing, i believe......
Later Agassi blamed it on thin air in Montreal, bad string job and Jet lagg......LOL
LOL, that's totally false IMO. Sampras was a serve, a forehand, and a volley. :-D
Federer has a killer serve, i'm not trying to take anything away from Rog, but it's n-o-t anywhere as good as sampras. Pete had a Death-hammer of a serve, he could serve to any spot he wanted AND he had huge power. His serve was like a combo of Roddick's power, and Federer's accuracy.
Very well said.
LOL, if you were a man you would know..LOL.
he wouldnt have beaten Becker. Becker beat him in the wimbledon semi in 95, lost a tight 4 set match to him and then Becker won the atp world championships.
Becker was on a roll then and would have won wimbledon in 96 except for that wrist injury.
I really love how Brad Gilbert puts his finger on it. As usual, he's absolutely spot on.
"Becker, he says.
This is what he said after beating you at Wimbledon.
What do I care?
He's talking ****.
What kind of ****?
Becker used his post match news conference to complain that Wimbledon promotes me over other players. He complained that Wimbledon officials unfairly bend over backward to schedule my matches on Centre Court. He complained that all major tournaments kiss my ass. Then he got personal. He called me an elitist. He said I don't associate with other players. He said I'm not well liked on the tour. He said I'm not open, and if I were open, maybe other players wouldn't fear me so much.
In short, he issued a declaration of war.
Brad has never cared for Becker. Brad has always called him B.B Socrates, because he thinks Becker tries to come off as an intellectual, when he's just an overgrown farmboy. But Brad is now so incensed that he can't sit still in our booth at the Tombs.
Andre, he says, it is so ****ing on. Mark my words. We're going to run into this mother****er again. We're going to run into him at the US Open. And until then, we're going to prepare, train, plot revenge.
I read Becker's quotes again. I can't believe it. I knew the guy didn't like me, but this. I look down and find that I'm clenching and unclenching my fist.
Brad says. Do you hear? I want you to take - this - ****er - OUT."
I really advise people to read the book to see what context Agassi calls Sampras one dimensional or why he said he tanked against Chang in 96 AO.
Well, Agassi is also not a convicted tax cheat with a criminal record who was nearly sent to jail and, due to his criminal record, was once deported (refused entry) from the US at the airport either.
Oh I'm so sorry. Couldn't resist that one.
What a bigited,xenophobic and closed minded statement this is.Sampras has some Latino in his genes.Why do you hate Latinos?
Agassi calling Pete Sampras one dimensional, is more about his personality then his tennis play. When he made his reference.
what?? this is nonsense. do you even watch tennis?
when men were men
Agsssi what a fraud never had half the guts Connors or Sampras have from day one the usta gave him special treatment always on center court when champions had to play on outer courts he is what he is a punk wonder why he don't rip McEnroe no guts thats why never could respect a man that shaved his legs
Playing 2nd fiddle to Sampras has made him a very bitter man. Chang said that Andre hooked him when they first played as juniors in his book. BG is a waste of time.
I know: dark hair and olive, easily tanned skin .... and I'm sure most peoples would happliy claim Pete Sampras. He could probably pass for anyone with ancestors from anywhere from Afghanistan to Argentina ... Madras to Morocco ... Colombia to Karachi.
But, Pete's ancestors are from Greece. Like Andre's dad's side is from nearby Armenia.
B.B Socrates, possibly one of the worst nicknames ever.
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