Agassi still greater than Nadal at this point

[mr2thelimit]

Agassi's serve was utterly mediocre. You cannot compare his serve to Nadal's. Roddick blasts a 140mph serve and Federer returns it with the flick of his wrist. Nadal hits a 115mph slice out wide and Federer struggles to get a racket on it.

I don't know what your criteria is for a good serve, but Agassi doesn't lead in any of my criteria.

Dumb example, I remember Fed dumping Nadals 2nd serve into the net. Feds a mental midget when pushed. Im sure Andre, who is one of the best serve returner will crush a 115 of nadals with his oversize head equipment.

 

[President]

Dumb example, I remember Fed dumping Nadals 2nd serve into the net. Feds a mental midget when pushed. Im sure Andre, who is one of the best serve returner will crush a 115 of nadals with his oversize head equipment.

What about Nadal's 135:twisted:?

 

[Xemi666]

Nadal has the career slam, same as Agassi. But he has more slams, positive head to head against his main rival, more Masters titles, two FO-W doubles... He's better than Agassi clearly.

 

[TennisandMusic]

Dumb example, I remember Fed dumping Nadals 2nd serve into the net. Feds a mental midget when pushed. Im sure Andre, who is one of the best serve returner will crush a 115 of nadals with his oversize head equipment.

Kinda funny since Agassi himself said Nadal's serve is pretty hard to return.

 

[DTLshot]

Drakulie, is that you?

 

[illuminati]

I have browsed this forum for a few days and I see many of you now saying Nadal is now greater than Agassi. I totally disagree with that atleast at this point.

1 more slam does not overcome the huge tournament titles edge of Agassi. And Agassi missed out on so many additional slams by not playing the Australian Open for many years where has was unbeatable.

More importantly lets compare who is better on each surface:

Rebound ace- Agassi by far
Clay- Nadal by far

Grass- This is hard to say since they never played on the same grass. Agassi played on faster grass not as condusive to a baseliner, while Nadal got the luxury of playing on slower grass which is a dream to a baseliner especialy a clay court basliner like him. I believe if Agassi played on the same grass vs the same field as Nadal he would have done even better. If Nadal played on the same grass Agassi did against the same field Agassi did he would have done worse. So IMO it is Agassi but since we cant know lets call it a tie.

fast U.S Open style hard courts- Agassi
Indoors- Agassi of course, Nadal is hopeless here
Carpet- Just imagine Nadal on carpet when he struggles that much indoors. Yikes. Agassi by far of course.
Medium paced hard courts- Agassi

Nadal is hardly better on any surfaces. On clay and maybe grass, and probably not even grass. Agassi is better on rebound ace, regular paced hard courts, fast U.S open style hard courts, indoors, and carpet.


Agassi also had the better game. His groundstrokes are superior to Nadal off both wings. His serve and return of serve are both much better. And his passing shots and volleying are better. He also has better feel for the ball and court positioning. The only things Nadal does better is movement, overall defense, mental toughness, and arguably court smarts.

u fail!

nadal is the 4th greatest player after federer, laver and sampras.

 

[vandre]

dude, i'm as big an agassi fan as you'll find and nadal is so far beyond agassi on so many levels it's not funny.

agassi was never lights out on any surface like nadal is on clay. nadal owns a winning h2h over his archrival (sorry aa never had that over sampras) and through the first 6 years or so of his career, rafa's mental game greatly surpasses agassi's mental game up to the same point. aa's early career is full of tanking, taking matches, sets or even slams off. agassi spend the first 9 or 10 years of his career to rack up a golden career slam whereas its taken rafa 5 or 6.

you can say you like agassi better (which i do) but you can say agassi is still more accomplished than rafa. sorry. truth hurts.

 

[jackson vile]

I like AA a lot as well, but AA better than Nadal? Really... Really...

 

[Tennis_Monk]

I have browsed this forum for a few days and I see many of you now saying Nadal is now greater than Agassi. I totally disagree with that atleast at this point.

1 more slam does not overcome the huge tournament titles edge of Agassi. And Agassi missed out on so many additional slams by not playing the Australian Open for many years where has was unbeatable.

More importantly lets compare who is better on each surface:

Rebound ace- Agassi by far
Clay- Nadal by far

Grass- This is hard to say since they never played on the same grass. Agassi played on faster grass not as condusive to a baseliner, while Nadal got the luxury of playing on slower grass which is a dream to a baseliner especialy a clay court basliner like him. I believe if Agassi played on the same grass vs the same field as Nadal he would have done even better. If Nadal played on the same grass Agassi did against the same field Agassi did he would have done worse. So IMO it is Agassi but since we cant know lets call it a tie.

fast U.S Open style hard courts- Agassi
Indoors- Agassi of course, Nadal is hopeless here
Carpet- Just imagine Nadal on carpet when he struggles that much indoors. Yikes. Agassi by far of course.
Medium paced hard courts- Agassi

Nadal is hardly better on any surfaces. On clay and maybe grass, and probably not even grass. Agassi is better on rebound ace, regular paced hard courts, fast U.S open style hard courts, indoors, and carpet.


Agassi also had the better game. His groundstrokes are superior to Nadal off both wings. His serve and return of serve are both much better. And his passing shots and volleying are better. He also has better feel for the ball and court positioning. The only things Nadal does better is movement, overall defense, mental toughness, and arguably court smarts.

Good attempt but i am not clear on the objective.

Is u r basis for Agassi being better than Nadal based off results (ie the masters shields ) or your assesment of how they would fare against each other using a Time capsule extrapolation?

 

[powerangle]

Doing what? I just dont agree with the now prevailing consensus of many that Nadal is a greater player than Agassi. Why is he. He has 1 more slam but almost 20 fewer tour titles. He has the weaker game overall. He is the weaker player on most surfaces.

Nadal also has two years ending #1 (confirmed by ATP now) compared to Agassi's one, has one more Masters title, has TWO RG-Wimby doubles, and won 3 slams in one year (compared to 2 slams in Agassi's best year).

Agassi does have a few more weeks at #1, 18 more titles, and the YEC.

It isn't a blowout, but Nadal has already edged Agassi and will continue to extend the lead.

 

[tiochaota]

Comparison threads are stupid, agassi and nadal would destroy any if you guys. Stop .comparing oh he is better oh no he is better, come on, its tennis!!! Watch and have fun!! I'm the best use a 500 sqi racket beat any balls!

 

[Tennis_Monk]

Comparison threads are stupid, agassi and nadal would destroy any if you guys. Stop .comparing oh he is better oh no he is better, come on, its tennis!!! Watch and have fun!! I'm the best use a 500 sqi racket beat any balls!

I guess you havent read my signature.

I am throwing an open challenge. Setup a match between Me and (Nadal /Agassi/Sampras/federer). I will be happy to show up , play and prove you incorrect

They wouldnt even dare......

 

[AM95]

Nadal has more powerful strokes, better movement, faster speed, better fitness, a better serve, more majors, more masters, the same gold medal, and dominated Federer during Federer's prime.

Nadal has this after just turning 24. Agassi has less after retiring in his mid 30's.

Nadal is so much better than Agassi it's not even funny.

ah tennis, i always knew you were a **** and were in love with Rafito. what a shame, at some point i actually thought you were an unbiased poster.

 

[World Beater]

Nadal has seen bigger hitters than agassi, and defeated them more times than they have defeated him.

i think nadal is better, but, its still close and there are arguments for both. But in a few years, it will not be close.

 

[tlm]

Agassi is not even close to ever being as good as rafa.

 

[TennisandMusic]

ah tennis, i always knew you were a **** and were in love with Rafito. what a shame, at some point i actually thought you were an unbiased poster.

Uhh...huh? Not making any sense. You think Agassi is better than Nadal in the areas I mentioned? What bias are you referring too exactly? Have you ever SEEN Agassi play? :lol:

Instead of throwing around stupid meaningless insults, why don't you act like a man and throw your two cents into the discussion? Can you do that?

 

[Scientist]

Uhh...huh? Not making any sense. You think Agassi is better than Nadal in the areas I mentioned? What bias are you referring too exactly? Have you ever SEEN Agassi play? :lol:

Instead of throwing around stupid meaningless insults, why don't you act like a man and throw your two cents into the discussion? Can you do that?

Man, what's your beef with Agassi? He was an all-time great, and your deconstructing of his every single win is pretty strange if not misguided. People who win grand slams are special tennis players. He won eight. No need to look for conspiracy theories into every single one of them.

 

[TennisandMusic]

Man, what's your beef with Agassi? He was an all-time great, and your deconstructing of his every single win is pretty strange if not misguided. People who win grand slams are special tennis players. He won eight. No need to look for conspiracy theories into every single one of them.

Dude...WHAT?! What are you talking about? Where do I deconstruct ANY win he ever had? Are you people insane? :lol:

Please quote where I deconstructed Agassi's wins.

P.S. You guys are taking my posts in this thread way too seriously. But Nadal is definitely the better player.

 

[powerangle]

I have browsed this forum for a few days and I see many of you now saying Nadal is now greater than Agassi. I totally disagree with that atleast at this point.

1 more slam does not overcome the huge tournament titles edge of Agassi. And Agassi missed out on so many additional slams by not playing the Australian Open for many years where has was unbeatable.

More importantly lets compare who is better on each surface:

Rebound ace- Agassi by far
Clay- Nadal by far

Grass- This is hard to say since they never played on the same grass. Agassi played on faster grass not as condusive to a baseliner, while Nadal got the luxury of playing on slower grass which is a dream to a baseliner especialy a clay court basliner like him. I believe if Agassi played on the same grass vs the same field as Nadal he would have done even better. If Nadal played on the same grass Agassi did against the same field Agassi did he would have done worse. So IMO it is Agassi but since we cant know lets call it a tie.

fast U.S Open style hard courts- Agassi
Indoors- Agassi of course, Nadal is hopeless here
Carpet- Just imagine Nadal on carpet when he struggles that much indoors. Yikes. Agassi by far of course.
Medium paced hard courts- Agassi

Nadal is hardly better on any surfaces. On clay and maybe grass, and probably not even grass. Agassi is better on rebound ace, regular paced hard courts, fast U.S open style hard courts, indoors, and carpet.


Agassi also had the better game. His groundstrokes are superior to Nadal off both wings. His serve and return of serve are both much better. And his passing shots and volleying are better. He also has better feel for the ball and court positioning. The only things Nadal does better is movement, overall defense, mental toughness, and arguably court smarts.

Andre is the purer ballstriker, but it is exactly's Rafa's spins and angles that will give Andre trouble. Nadal has much more ability to make insane running passes even IF Andre gets Nadal off the court on a few points.

Agassi was good on all surfaces but never GREAT like Nadal is on clay. They would trade wins against each other on hardcourt (if that), but Nadal would massacre Agassi on clay. Agassi might have the edge on indoors and other faster surfaces but he wouldn't have such a lead that Nadal has over Agassi on clay.

Agassi >> Nadal on carpet/indoors maybe

but,

Nadal >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Agassi on clay

...which makes the difference

 

[inyourface]

remember Agassi talking about Nadal's serve when Nadal had a much worse service than he have now and said it was much better than people thought, and that he did not play against Nadal super service of US open