Agassi's racquet

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  1. pchoi04

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    I was wondering if someone could shed some light on this. I know hes not using any LM or Flexpoint, but people think that he may be using a Donnay pro 1 but I was always under the impression that pros cannot cross over to different companies. So if hes on a life time contract with Head then how can he be using the Donnay? Am I missing a piece of the puzzle here or am I right about this?

    If thats that case then don't you think more than likely hes using an older version the radical?
     
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  2. efice32

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    he's using the new head flexpoint radical. in the newest tennis magazine they have an add with him and ferrero and it's pretty clear to see their rackets.
     
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  3. Prince_of_Tennis

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    Vote for post of the year :D
     
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  4. tandayu

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    Finally somebody has the answer
     
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  5. pchoi04

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    Obviously your new on the board... I'll break it down to you... Most pros arent gonna switch racquets on a heart beat. If you look at the flex point racquets carefully you can see the LM ridges even though its one color... I think fererro is really using it because you can see the ridges however! Agassi's racquet does NOT have the LM ridges. Also when he was using the LM Radical you can totatlly tell that it was a paint job and the LM ridges were painted on with two tone paint scheme. Also if you look at the racquet it looks a kinda funny... at 3 or 9 which ever way you look at it on his head they have "Liquidmetal" painted on it which the REAL radical does NOT have.

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  6. efice32

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    A. see my post on the paintjob thread. B. of course i'm new to the board *note the 7 posts* C. this is getting annoying *see A.*
     
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  7. KFwinds

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    this one has been done MANY times over, but I guess one more time won't hurt -

    The latest "accepted" theory on Agassi's stick is that he is using a custom mold (it's actually a 106 or a 104si head) made by Head; probably similar or the same in spec to the sticks he's used throughout his career (Prince Graphite, Donnay Pro 1) and painted to look like Head's newest model...

    Please folks; he is NOT using a Flexpoint or LM.
     
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  8. efice32

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    it probably is a flexpoint now, but it's modified and molded so much that it's more like another racket than a flexpoint, but it is still "considered" a flexpoint or a LM because that's what it started as.
     
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  9. Jonnyf

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    it will be a PJ but the new flexpoints do have liquidmetal on them i have seen many pics. however he does have the holes in them
     
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  10. loubapache

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    Do you see or feel the holes in person or just by pictures? If by pictures, it is a two dimensional object and they can "paint" the holes, just as you look at the picture of a true Flexpoint and see the holes.
     
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  11. Jonnyf

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    ok confused now
     
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  12. erik-the-red

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    André is using a totally customized frame made exclusively for him.

    It is quite different from the Radical you purchase online or at a store.

    A Prince Original Graphite Oversize would probably be more similar to what he uses than a Radical.
     
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  13. evw

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    last year I had the opportunity to handle two rackets that Aggassi was hitting with. I had posted at the time that the LM Radical was an obvious paint job but did not know what was under the skin. The second racket was all black and had holes drilled through the frame. At the time nobody knew what it was..turns out now we know it was the prototype for the FP.
     
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  14. pchoi04

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    I heard that pros have to at LEAST try the new technology.
     
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  15. doriancito

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    I think that andre agassi is using any of the head racquet models that are given to him could be the liquid metal or flexpoint. I say this because once after a match andre met with david beckham and signed a racquet for him and gave it to him. If this racquet turned out to be a donnay pro 1 he wouldnt have done this because they are rarely made. So it had to be one of his many liquid metal he gave away.
     
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  16. TennisD

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    Or, just maybe, Andre could have signed a normal racquet and given it to Becks. Just out of curiosity, what did Becks give him in return?
     
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  17. doriancito

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    There is a picture of andre agassi giving a liquid metal Racuqet to david beckham and signing the grip in david's hands. You can look for this picture in atptennis.com if i have it ill post it up. Beckham didnt give anything as erturn andre was just making more famous friends. Having beckham as a espectator must be an honor and andre must wanted him to remember that match!
     
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  19. TennisD

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    that is one of Andres personal racquets. You can tell by the grip. Therefore, it's obviously not a real LM.
     
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  20. Datacipher

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    You've got no case for being annoyed. The guy was trying to help you. This is TYPING not speaking, nobody can read your sarcasm, so if you don't want people to misunderstand, make it clear you're being facetious or wait until you are a board veteran and people know that you know.
     
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  21. doriancito

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    This is a Real Andre's LM racquet you can see the LM grids on it. As you can see he used this racquet at the match and gave it to david afterwards. If you take a closer look you will see its strung! This concludes andre is using LM
     
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  23. jura

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    It's neither a Donnay nor a Flexpoint. It's a special customized frame which made Head for him and which he didn't changed since more than ten years. For me it has a lot of the first Radical Tour 690, but it's far away from LM or Flexpoint.
    I will be at the French Open and get entrance to the string service. Maybe I can get some pictures and specs of Agassis racket. If yes, will post them.
     
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  24. TennisD

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    No man, those LM bumps are painted. Trust me.
     
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  25. doriancito

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    This is tuff to discover any one know andre Agassi's email? lets ask him. And jura Please get those pictures if you can specially on andre's racuqet everyone is wanting to know! take pictures to every part.
     
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  26. Datacipher

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    Jura is right. 2 things are absolutely certain:

    1.you can't buy Andre's racquet. He is NOT using the LM or Flexpoint Radical.

    2.the closest thing to it you can buy is a Donnay Pro 1, Original Radical Tour(black and yellow) or even a POG! The subsequent Radicals are quite a bit different, in weight alone they are wildly lighter. Having said that, all these racquets are at least very similar in the grand scheme of racquets. So use whichever one works best for you!
     
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  27. LordRaceR

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    Ohh, man I thought we settle this. But I am obviously wrong
     
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  28. kanjii

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    Hey guys...I'm new here. I was at a tennis shop and asked the question about what Agassi was using. He printed out a pic of Agassi using the LM Instinct. The gold racquet. Date on the pic was April 2005. I'm pretty sure anything sold out there is not what the pros use. Kinda like racing cars, sure it looks like a Porsche in the showroom, but it sure doesn't run like one.
     
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  29. ptuananh

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    What on earth was he using during Roland Garros? Could you tell me, any guys, base on these pictures:

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  30. Return_Ace

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    It's an LM Instinct but he was only using on clay cos he felt he needed more power
     
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  31. barry

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    He sure dumped the Flexpoint in a hurry, guess it was not the right racket for him.
     
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  32. kanjii

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    Anybody play with the Flexpoint Radical? How is it compared to the LM Radical.
     
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  33. ptuananh

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    Weird sound, that's all.
     
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  34. dunlo

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    Hi
    I heard that his racquet is 420g.
    Is it true??
     
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  35. cedric13

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    no way, it's false
     
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  36. ptuananh

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    Based on those pictures above, I wonder if it violates the contract between Head and Agassi or not? He was not using Flexpoint (even a paint job) during French Open at all. That is really hard to understand, isn't it.
     
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  37. kytennis

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    he uses a pj flexpoint but his real raquet is a lm instict! he used a radical last year and swiched to the instict at the start of clay court season for more power and now he kept it for the extra power on the hard courts and thats what he will use for the us open
     
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  38. The_Dark_Knight

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    uhhhhhhhhh............no
     
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  39. Speedy_tennis

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    I heard agassi's racquet is 375g
     
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  40. 156MPHserve

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    I think Agassi can use any racquet he wants as long as it's head. I don't think he gets too much money from sponsorship nor that he cares. It's just a partnership and as long as Head keeps cranking out these customized racquets that he needs, he doesn't mind. Besides LM Instinct is a top racquet that many pros use, I don't see Head complaining anyway.

    As for his racquet, it's probably somewhere along the lines of a POG without the crossbar...
     
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  41. BaseLineBash

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    156, many people believe Andre is using a racquet with the POG specifications minus the crossbar including myself (when its a 107 of course). It's really not to far fetched considering the bloodlines of Head and Prince, there kinda like VW and Porsche...basicly the same family.
     
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  42. Mike Danger

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    the raquet agassi is playing with is the old original radical the black and yellow one. YES THATS RIGHT.
    it may or may not be a factory off the line one, but it is based of that raquet. Looking at all the pictures if seen here are the tell tail signs.
    first let me say that i have one of these raquets, i also have the second gen radical, the twin tube, and the latest flex point radical, but i also studied the previous liquid metal raquets so here goes in no particular order:
    1 the head guard, compare it to the OG radical, they are the same, look at the ends of the head guard, instead of squared, the are angles just like the OG radicals(and laso the second gen radicals).
    2 heres how i know that is is not a second gen radical... or even the prev gen(liquid metal) the grooves at the base of the head/yoke area, the ones on the OG radical are "medium length" the ones on the latest radicals are much longer and sculpted looking, and the ones on the second gen (twin tube) are the shortest.
    3 the blend out at the end of the recess for the string guide(at the bottom of the outside of the head) look where the recess blends out to the outer surface the current raquets have a step down, where as the raquet hes playing with now has a slope on it, just like the OG radical.
    4 finally look at the string guide, the current raquets are flat, the but the one hes playing with have like a channel, again just like the OG radical

    also though you probably cant tell in the picutres, but the new raquets (flex point etc) have a oval profile where as the OG radical is kinda rectangular (flat sides)
     
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  43. doriancito

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    im tellign you, i think its a donnay pro 1 under a flexpoint paintjob, but he did use the real instinct at roland garros
     
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  44. doriancito

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    WOW what an arm, but evry posible because at roland garrow with the insticnt he added A lot of weight!
     
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  45. smittysan89

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    when any of you fools have hard proof let me know
     
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  46. doriancito

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    it has a more poping and slaping sound and more control
     
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  47. Mike Danger

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    Look at the pics then look at real black/yellow trisys 260 radical,
    you fool, tip for life: open your eyes!
     
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  48. lucky22

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    I have the head lm radical OS and i'm pretty sure its what he plays with
     
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  50. djones

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    He uses an LM instinct.
    Look at the headshape, headsize and the beamwidth!
     
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