Age and NTRP rank

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  2. 3.0

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  3. 3.5

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  4. 4.0

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  5. 4.5

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  6. 5.0

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  7. 5.5

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  8. 6.0

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  9. 6.5

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  10. 7.0

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  1. mahouFuji

    mahouFuji Rookie

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    hello, im just wondering how good people are out there and i really want to know the level of players all around the world at the age. ty:p
     
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  2. MasterTS

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    Why do we see the same polls, over and over... each week?
     
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  3. andyroddick's mojo

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    well i just turned 15, and i'd like to think of myself as a strong 3.5, maybe a weaker 4.0.
     
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  4. Andres

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    Three threads about the same, in three consecutive days. WOW.
     
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  5. cak

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    Are there tournaments for juniors using NTRP ratings? Or are all folks under 21 just taking a guess on ratings?
     
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  6. kevhen

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    strong 4.0/weak 4.5 but still rated 4.0, and 36 years old. Lost to a solid NTRP 4.5 this Sunday 4-6, 6-1, 6-4.
     
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  7. mahouFuji

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    hey! im 3.5 too! and im 14 turning 15 this year btw i go kaimuki high school rite above iolani O.O
     
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  8. dave333

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    well, according to the charicteristics, i'm between 4.0-4.5. i play w/ different spins, depths, angles, i have pretty good footwork and i volley well. I'm 13
     
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  9. mahouFuji

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    13 year old better than me.... thats not cool.....
     
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  10. BumperJeep

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    15 years old, strong 4.0 player.
     
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  11. Janne

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    For the 4.0-4.5 players: How long did it take you to reach that level and how much do you play every week? :p
     
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  12. andfor

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    4.5, 41 years old. Can hang with 5.0's (some of them in singles) and do not get embarrassed at the Open doubles level.
     
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  13. chrisdaniel

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    a very strong 4.5 usually...I can play at the 5.0 level when Im working hard,actually working on getting to 5.5...but I need to play more events...

    it takes an open mind to get higher.too often I see young players trying hard to emulate pros,and hitting 1 way,and 1 way only...people,kids,you should try to get yourself to be able to hit at least 6 different kinds of forehands...different backhands and serves.you get the idea..there is no pro out there that hits one shot all the time..watching on TV is decieving..get that ball flying heavy with rolling spin,deep..at least 5 feet above the net..then flatten in out a couple inches above the net,then reverse that..low flicking spin..change grips,learn how to hit everything with ease,yet imtimidating..the racquet should feel like your magic wand.....trust me,when one way of hitting is not working out,you will be glad you have that variety in your box of tools... thats all the levels really are... having bigger arsenal of attacks,defense,offense,consistency....the other day I played a guy with this huge ugly back swing,my game plan was so simple...I was gonna make him pay for that back swing..I hit flat right to his forehand,pretty hard low balls...he was jammed..and thats the only way he hit,no variety.if that was me getting jammed I would have just switched to a shorter back swing and the game plan would have changed to something else....but he didnt have that variety,6-0 very easy set...

    its so fun to figure out an oppenent and win a match from pure thinking...and its not personal or anything ,its just tennis.. with a good knowlege of the game,a large variety of shots,and to think out there....your rating will go up quick...BUT!! dont think during the shot...be quick about it..you think during the point and your focus goes off..so pick when to think... oh Im 25,and started playing when I was 4...
     
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  14. zhan

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    i am a 1.0...
    where is that option?
     
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  15. esrb

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    I think I hit a 5, but need to polish my volleys and mental skills.
     
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  16. ShooterMcMarco

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    21 yrs old, strong 0.5 player
     
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  17. Voltron

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    I'm 15 and a 5.0 player, in response to your question I play at least 2 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year.(and no, I don't skip holidays, not even christmas:( )

    Best regards,
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  18. Noveson

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    Being 5.0 at fifteen years old(I'm fifteen also, but only started a year ago, Play at state level) so have you won a state tournament or anything like that? Or do you just play in USTA tournaments? I don't really know what someone that good plays at.
     
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  19. mahouFuji

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    wow.... 14 year old 3.5 and i played almsot a year.... i play like occasionally 6hr+ a day
     
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  20. 300Gkid

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    this seems quite popular, but 14 yrs old and a strong 3.5 or weak 4.0
     
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  21. Nextman916

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    16 yr old, i would rate myself as a 4.0 except i know im capable of beating 4.5 players(ive beaten 5). So i rated myself as 4.5, USTA ratings are crap anyways. It took me a while, around 3-4 years and I play 5 to 6 days a week, but this was not always so, probably ever since the start of summer i really started focusing on tennis. 3 tourneys a month. My coach works with me alot and sets up random matches weekly.
     
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  22. Duzza

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    I am 12 and 7.0. Hello my name is Rafael Federer
     
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  23. mahouFuji

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    srry but no such thing as 1.0 total beginner even not that low i think total beginner like 1.5
     
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  24. emo5

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    I play 40, play 6 hours a day, everyday for last 30 years. I have yet to win a point off anyone.
    I rate my self as 1.0. LIFE SUCKS!
    nah im kidding.. im actualy 50 :(
     
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  25. tennis-n-sc

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    The question was "NTRP rating". It is obvious from the responses, at least 80% of the respondants do not have an NTRP rating. That's what makes these polls ridiculus.
     
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  26. Andres

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    Exactly ;) Where do I fit in?
    In ARG, I'm playing Div1 in the AAT (tennis argentinian asociation) regional part for Mar del Plata. Div1 is the level right below Futures in ARG.
    To make it an equivalence, Div1 is 5.0+ ... but as far as I know, never played an USTA event, probably never will, so I don't have a NTRP rating :)
     
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  27. Voltron

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    Let me clarify this, I've been playing for about 2 years. On a bad day I'm a 4.0, on a good day I'm a 5.0. Normally though I'm a really really strong 4.0:cool: .(ok, so maybe I sandbag)
     
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  28. Will888

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    I've been playing my whole life(took3 years off) and I am a 5.0. I beat 4.5 player 6-2 6-3ish a lot. On bad days I'm a 4.0(bad days again) and good days I beat the better 5.0 players. I lost 4-6 4-6 against a 5.5 on a good day.
     
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  29. Big Fed

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    Yo im not really 5.5 im more like a 4.5......... In a few weeks I'll be 15
     
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  30. Will888

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    did you accidently select the 5.5 on the poll?
    O! forgot my age, 18!
     
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  31. tennis-n-sc

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    Well, that's true. But come to the states and we'll get you fixed up!;)
     
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  32. thejackal

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    17, 4.5 (gonna play varsity singles 1 or 2 this spring)
     
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  33. k1dz

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    14, 3.0 ( gonna be # 6 varsity dis year )
     
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  34. Caswell

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    This poll is confirmation that most juniors dramatically overrate themselves when it comes to guessing their NTRP.

    I've seen national level adult 4.5's play. I've played with top 20 national ranked boys 18's players. They're about the same.

    I was beating the local juniors at my club a month or two after I started playing again after a ten year layoff - I was playing weak 3.5 tennis at best. One of them won districts, and didn't do bad at state.

    If I had to put money on an computer-ranked adult 4.0 versus a junior with a top 20 sectional ranking, it'd be on the adult 4.0 every time.
     
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  35. Duzza

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    Mmm I was gonna ask someone if a 4.5 Adult could beat a "4.5" Junior.
     
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  36. cak

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    Well, I'd expand this to say if I had to put money on a computer-ranked 4.0 versus some one who looking at the ratings thinks they are a 4.0, it'd be on the computer-ranked 4.0 every time.
     
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  37. tennis-n-sc

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    My point exactly. The computer puts an end to the "I'm about a 5.0" or "I'm somewhere between a 4.5 and a 6.0. I'm 14 and play on my junior varsity team". With an NTRP computer rating, you know that your rating has been the result of match play.
     
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  38. andfor

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    I totally disagree with this. I am not even going to get into it it's so blatently off base.

    As for the last part it might and I emphisize might be relevent if the junior player was from a weaker section, maybe. Here in the Southern Section a top 20 18 and under (let alone a top 20 national 18 U player) would not lose to any 4.5, ever, period.
     
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  39. Caswell

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    I'm off base? I've been on court with these people. Top 20 nationally ranked juniors, top ranked sectional players, etc. Saying Florida is a weak section for juniors is what's off-base.

    If you want to go into national rankings, I think a top 20 national boys 18's player versus a national championship 4.5 league player would be a toss-up.

    The upper levels are really neither here nor there in regards to this discussion though. What I was trying to do is establish a reference that some of these 15 year old "5.0" players can relate to. It's hilarious to hear some of them base their claims of high NTRP based off of something meaningless like their line number on their high school squad.

    To often juniors only look at the good things about their game, and ignore the bad. Perfect example is the son on one of my friends. His father is a computer rated 4.0, and I've seen them hitting together. His old man just wants to keep the rally going, so he hits down the middle, right into the wheelhouse of his son's western forehand. I've also seen this kid in match play - there are players in the super senior division with better footwork. There's no doubt in my mind that this kid thinks of himself as a 4.0 player because he can hit with his father, when in reality his footwork is so bad I'd put money on some of my 3.0 friends to beat him.
     
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  40. Caswell

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    andfor, I looked at the tournament schedules for the Tennessee region - perhaps the disconnect between our opinions isn't on the junior side, but on what type of player actually fills the NTRP levels. I noticed there are just about zero adult USTA NTRP tournaments in your area, and what was there had tiny draws.

    In contrast, here's the 4.0 draw from the tournament I played this weekend:

    http://tournaments.usta.com/tournaments/Draws/EventDraw.aspx?T=38535&E=3

    You find out really quickly where you belong playing tournaments. League play (USTA or otherwise) involves too much doubles to get an accurate accessment of your individual NTRP, IMHO.

    If what you see as a 4.5 player isn't what I see as a 4.5 player (or any other NTRP for that matter), I can understand where you'd think I was off base.
     
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  41. DRtenniS1112

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    strong 4.5, although i play 5.0 doubles, and i'm 19
     
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  42. oldguysrule

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    It is important to understand the purpose of the NTRP rating system before you talk about it. It was designed to give ADULTS the opportunity to compete in tournaments against other ADULTS of similar playing abilities. It is not supposed to be used as the final say of how good you are. If you are a computer rated 4.0, you may be able to beat some 4.5's and you may lose to some 3.5's. The ratings are dynamic and people are moving up and down. You will have issues with nerves, injuries, sickness, wind, sun, fitness, etc. that can effect you on any given day. You may have match-up problems with another player. You may play differently during a tournament than you do during a practice match or social/friendly match.

    My point is, the idea of using these ratings to brag about how good/bad you are gives a very incomplete picture of your actual ability level. The rating explanations are very subjective leading one to (usually) overstate an estimated rating. For example, what is moderate pace to one person may be a fast pace to someone else. What is consistency to one may be seen as inconsistent to another.

    For you juniors, just keep playing and have fun and don't worry so much about the NTRP ratings. They don't apply to you. If you are serious about your tennis, concentrate on the next tournament and what you need to do to win more matches.

    For the adults, just keep playing and have fun and don't worry so much about the NTRP ratings. (yes, same advice) Use the ratings as a generic guide to get you with other adults that you can compete with and have a fun match with. Recognize that within each rating, there will be some that are better and some that are not as good. Just because you lose, doesn't mean the other guy was a sand-bagger. Maybe he is about to get bumped up. Maybe he had a great day. Maybe you were a step slow. Just enjoy the experience and go out and play again the next day.
     
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  43. badmice2

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    i'm 28, rated at 4.34587668864684312332187687
     
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