Age cheating???

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  1. scraps234

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    I have watched many events and have seen extremely tall kids for their age group. Anyway I think i heard a tall player say he was 16 but was still playing in the 14s :confused::confused: is that possible?? or have people changed there age some how???:confused::-? and cheated usta...
     
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  2. Chauvalito

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    I was close to 6 feet tall when I was 14, and was 6 feet two inches tall by the time I was 16.

    My younger brother was also close to six feet tall at the same ages, my youngest brother just turned 15 and is just under 6 feet tall.

    Anyway, this does not answer your question and by no means discredits your thoughts, I just wanted to throw in some anecdotal evidence.

    By the way, when when I was 14 I towered over most of my opponents, as do my brothers, but most kids caught in the 16's and definitely the 18's.
     
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  3. eeytennis

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    I think you might have heard wrong...I know of a tournament director who allows older kids to play in younger age group in non-sanctioned tournaments, but I am not sure how you get by the USTA.
     
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    Since the USTA does not require any proof of age, even I could be playing in the Juniors. LOL!

    I remember when my son played at a SN in the 12s and there were kids over 6' and shaving. Come on! Funny how they all had Russian names.

    The ITF requires ID & proof of age at tournament check in. USTA needs to get with it!! Scholarships are on the line! Feel free to write a complaint to the USTA. If enough people complain, maybe they'll at least require proof of age at the Level 1 & Level 2 tournaments.
     
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    I didn't know that. I would assume you would put your real birthdate in when you register for USTA. I guess if you are really that eager to cheat the system, it has flaws... But come on, I find it somewhat pathetic for someone to want to cheat the system. Is it that much of a good feeling to be beating on people like whom are so much younger?

    It would be a good idea to require proof of age at the L1 and L2 tournaments because those are where most of the points are up for grabs.
     
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    Sections require Birth Certificates on file, or at least southern does, so not sure why other sections would not follow suit, besides last year at 14's Regional Nationals, there was a 5'11" 13 y.o girl.
     
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    That's not outrageous for a 13 y.o. girl to be 5' 11". I mean they reach their growth spurt much earlier.

    I don't remember having to have a Birth Certificate on file when I applied for USTA Northern.
     
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    PARENTS are the ones who put the wrong age down! Think about it. Little Johnny is only 10 or less. Mom & dad decide it's time for tournaments, but USTA membership is required. Go take a look on-line at how easy it is to cheat.

    Parents rationalize, "well, Johnny plays like a 9 year old. We'll make it easy on him & put into the computer system that he's only 9." POOF done!

    My son played a certain, well-published Jr (sic) in the 14s, then 2 years later, same kid (sic) was in college. Weird! There's tons of this crap going on.
     
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    I heard that Southern is the only Section that requires a COPY of a birth certificate on file.

    It should be a certified copy or at least a photo ID at a Level 1 or 2. Travel is typically required for a Level 1 or 2. If the airport requires you to have an ID to get through, then you have one for the tournament. Kids have permits & licenses. So they can prove their age at a tournament.
     
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    Wow. USTA really should crack down on this. I guess honesty is just a lost cause... :cry:

    Cline Bowles could either be a genius or a cheater. Which one is more likely...
     
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    Yes when I was playing the biggest tournament here in NC for the first time I had to have a copy of my birth certificate.
     
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  12. Petekbladetour1

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    im 14 and around 6 foot
     
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    Yesterday, I was watching my clubs U11 match against another club, and I was sure I saw a guy who was over 11. I remembered that I'd played him in a Singles League ages ago and he told me he was 12...
     
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    I'm 16 and 175cm tall. There's this really good kid who's 13/14 but he looks at least 17 to me. He pretty much towers over everyone. But even if he was age cheating, I wouldn't get why as he would do well against the u/16 and u/18s too.
     
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    Gotta cry "foul!" on this one. I can find no evidence of your kid having played Bowles. I looked on TennisInformation.com from the years 2002 through 2005 at both Clint's tournaments and your kid's.

    In the big tourneys during 2002 through 2005, Clint was always in the next higher age division (e.g. your kid played 12s when Clint played 14s, etc.). The last tournament Bowles played 14s in was in 2003 in an August supernational - coincidentally, he was 14. He would have turned 15 in November 2003.

    You'd have to prove this one by naming the tournament, but I know you don't want to ID your child.

    BTW - Clint entered Florida State in 2007, which would put your 2-years prior as 2005 - when he was 16/17. Clint played every event that year in the 18s...
     
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    Dont worry in the lta people do it all the time especially if they have an end year birthday they register their birthday as the year after. The worse thing is the refs know about it but let them do it.
     
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  17. tennismom42

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    Well, I watched the match. It took place down the street. There was quite a buzz that he'd come into our section. He wasn't here many months & left. I'll ask my kid today.
     
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    Well, my kid remembers it well. It occured in C.S., "on the 3rd court." My son played in two divisions, the 12s & the 14s.

    I notice that the 2002 T.S. in C.S. is no longer posted on the internet. I'll ask that tournament director if he can send me a link.
     
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    Regardless whether they played, you suggested ... "age cheated". You claim he played 14s but was in college two years later.

    ... was born in November of 1988...that means he was 13 in most of 2002. He graduated from H.S. in 2007 and entered college in the fall of the same year. Sorry, but there's nothing improper.
     
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  20. Petekbladetour1

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    i think the russians age cheat alot.
     
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    ^^^Awfully bold statement to make with absolutely no explanation, supporting documentation, evidence, etc.
     
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    i see age cheating from kids coming from mexico or canada or the foreign section...is it easy for them to cheat?
     
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  23. 10isDad

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    ^^^and you can prove this how?
     
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    I did not realize that age cheating was a geographical phenomenon. lol:)

    Everyone claims that foreigners cheat, because it is rooted deep in our culture to mistrust other nationalities and cultures. Although, I agree that probably sometimes it does happen, I have yet to see someone complain of age cheating after they win a match, it usually is a very convenient line after one had his or her butt handed to them in a match.
     
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    10isdad. You know as well as I do that some of the kids that come up from Mexico have fudged their birthdates some. I know of a few players that I have played personally in Tucson, in the 16s division awhile ago who told me they were 17 but since the southwest is lax they don't get caught.
     
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  26. 10isDad

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    No, I don't. I've never spoken to any of the players that come up from Mexico.

    If they told you they were 17, you had pretty much a duty to inform Eric Mitchell. Eric could have demanded proof of age, and if they were over age, taken appropriate action.
     
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    I wasn't aware. I won the match quite easily 6-0,6-0 so I figured it wasn't a big deal. To my defense, this was about 2.5 years ago and one of my first tournaments so I wasn't aware of the rulings as I know now. I played in the copper bowl qualifiers and I lost the match. Good match but I went online to check the kids rankings and for December it said he was ineligible for 18s... Does that mean anything specific, Could he possibly have moved?
     
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    it's unfortunate that someone would make a claim on here and actually put a name to it...
     
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    It still doesn't invalidate the facts of what happened.
    My exact words were, "My son played (certain kid, sic) in the 14s, then 2 years later, certain kid, sic was in college. Weird! There's tons of this crap going on." Everyone there thought it was weird. You just can't go from 14 in Nov to in college, two years later. That would make you 16, entering college. It remains weird to me. If it makes you happy, I'll go back & remove the names.
     
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    I had to submit a birth certificate for my son for NorCal.
     
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    to answer this question, you need to answer me one first. How ols is mr davydenko?
     
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    And my point still stands: your facts are wrong. He was NOT in college two years later!

    You said in a later post they played in 2002. Two years later is 2004. The kid entered college in 2007. That's some pretty simple math!
     
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    I would only know how "ols" Davydenko is by looking at various internet sources. According to sources on the internet, he is 27 and just over 7 months. Your point?

    I supposed you'll say you heard from somebody who heard it from somebody else who heard...that he's a different age.
     
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  34. kairosntx

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    My son is 6'01" in 8th grade and turned 14 just 9 days ago. He could be 6'03" or better 11 months from now and still be 14. I almost put a razor and shaving cream in his stocking for Chirstmas.
     
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  35. Noaler

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    What?? Really??
     
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  36. danny.k

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    cmon man stop with the russians already but ill tell u onething ive seen really big kids in the 12s.
     
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  37. scraps234

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    lol yeah or maybe even 10s 0.0
     
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    When I was in the US for a while in 1997 my flatmate used to run local tournaments for kids. When he started demanding ID at the tournaments on registration, the first tournament the withdrawal rate was something like 30%. The local USTA director/boss person made him stop it as the turnout was so low.

    He went round at the next tournament and spot checked most of the kids that withdrew from the first tournament that had re-registered. He defaulted about 80% of them apparently and reported them to USTA. He ceased to organise tournaments about a month later, apparently the USTA had been "deluged" with complaints. The same kids began to play again.

    Interesting eh :)
     
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    I was told by my daughter's coach that at one time, USTA required a submittal of birth certificate in order to get a USTA card. Does anyone know why the policy was relaxed? On a side note, relaxed policies have also caused problems in the the adult tournaments/leagues where "self rating" system seem to be abused.
     
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  40. Petekbladetour1

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    does davydenko look 27 years old?
    hes got no hair and looks like 35 year old
     
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  41. 10isDad

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    So?

    First, tennis is played in the sun and excessive sun will cause people to look older. Most players don't play with sun glasses, so they're often squinting. They get crows feet earlier than people who aren't often squinting in the sun.Most tennis pros I know look significantly older than they are. My son's pro is 5 months younger than me but he looks about 10 years older than me.

    Secondly, there are lots of people who undergo male pattern baldness. Sometimes it's genetic, sometimes the person has excessive testosterone, etc.

    This is Kellen Damico from the University of Texas. He's a sophomore in college, aged 19 (he'll be 20 in a couple months). Hope you're not going to insinuate he's an "age cheater", too just because he doesn't have much hair! ('cause you would be wrong)

    [​IMG]
     
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  42. Petekbladetour1

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    hmm, ill think about it. i still think davy is older than 27
     
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  43. region2champion

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    In the Florida section we need a birth certificate to play in designated events.
     
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