Age Of Tennis Champions When They Won Their Sixth Grand Slam Singles Title !

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  1. dimeaxe

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    Novak Djokovic pursues Federer's 17 slams


    Where it was once Rafael Nadal, now the talk is of Novak Djokovic chasing down Roger Federer in the all-time grand slam title race.

    In the space of two glorious years, Djokovic has transformed himself from a flaky one-slam wonder to the dominant force in tennis and a six-times major champion.

    Once mentally suspect and prone to lame mid-match retirements, Djokovic has taken the sport to unseen physical levels to reach seven of the past nine grand slam finals.

    Profiting once more from a gluten-free diet and stunning powers of recovery, Djokovic's 6-7 (2-7) 7-6 (7-3) 6-3 6-2 Australian Open final victory over Andy Murray earned the Serb a record-equalling fourth crown at Melbourne Park.

    The 25-year-old is eyeing an elusive French Open title to complete a rare grand slam set.

    He is on the fast track to tennis greatness.

    For all that, history suggests Djokovic will come up short in his pursuit of Federer's 17 grand slam titles.

    To put Federer's record haul in perspective, add Nadal's 11 to Djokovic's half dozen and the Swiss's two chief threats, both 25, have won as many majors between them as he has amassed on his own.

    In essence, Djokovic must now match Nadal's (or Bjorn Borg's or Rod Laver's 11 career majors) to catch Federer.

    Or Nadal, finally set for a comeback after a seven-month injury layoff, would need to replicate Djokovic's six slams to reel in the Swiss master.

    Djokovic or Nadal would have to emulate the grand slam stats of two of the most successful players in history to equal Federer's 17 majors.

    With doubts about Nadal's ability to even return to his brilliant best, Djokovic may in fact be better placed to make a run at Federer's benchmark number.

    Yet Borg, Nadal, Mats Wilander, Peter Sampras, Federer and John McEnroe were all younger than Djokovic when they won their sixth grand slam title.

    At just 22 years and one month old, Borg was more than three-and-a-half years younger than Djokovic when he claimed his sixth slam and ended up with "only" 11, though the Swede was finished at just 26.

    Wilander added just one more to his tally, Sampras - who was almost two years younger than Djokovic when he collected No.6 - accrued eight more, Federer has amassed another 11 and is still hunting, while McEnroe could only manage one other.

    Little wonder Djokovic is preferring to savour his latest triumph rather than make any bold predictions himself.

    "I'm just trying to play this game with 100 per cent of devotion, love, passion and fun also," the Serb said.

    "(I am) 25 years old and I won six grand slams and have a lot of trophies. It's amazing.

    "I'm just trying to embrace this moment and enjoy it as much as I can and see where tomorrow brings me."

    AGE OF TENNIS CHAMPIONS WHEN THEY WON THEIR SIXTH GRAND SLAM SINGLES TITLE (total of slams in brackets)

    Bjorn Borg (11) - 22 years, 1 month

    *Rafael Nadal (11) - 22 years, 8 months

    Mats Wilander (7) - 23 years, 10 months

    Pete Sampras (14) - 23 years, 11 months

    *Roger Federer (17) - 24 years, 1 month

    John McEnroe (7) - 25 years, 7 months

    *Novak Djokovic (6) - 25 years, 8 months

    Jimmy Connors (8 ) - 26 years, 0 months

    Stefan Edberg (6) - 26 years, 8 months

    Ivan Lendl (8 ) - 27 years, 6 months

    Boris Becker (6) - 28 years, 10 months

    Andre Agassi (8 ) - 29 years, 9 months

    *denotes player still active

    - AAP

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/tennis/8247393/Novak-Djokovic-pursues-Federers-17-slams
     
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  2. TheFifthSet

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    Djokovic won't pass Fed. Too much mountain to climb. Also, it's foolish for some people (not saying the article is, just in general) to just ASSUME Fed will just stay at 17.
     
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    not to mention djoker's physical style, I dont think lends for longevity.

    If he doesnt do it in the next 3 years it wont get done.
     
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    So Djokovic is 1.5 years behind on Federer, who if anything, aged pretty well.
     
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    Then he won't get it done.

    He'd have to win the CYGS 3 times to do it in 3 years.
     
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    Novak's chances of eclipsing federer's are very slim at best. For one, he has much tougher competition to deal with than fed did from 04-07 and he is older by a year and a half compared to when fed had 6.

    Nadal's the only one with a slight chance but he'd have to return in top form. IF rafa can win 2-3 more RG that alone puts him on 13-14. I can see Rafa possibly taking another AO and I can see him winning Wimbledon 2 more times max. I think Rafa's a good chance against both Murray and fed at wim and Novak is not in 2011 form anymore so Rafa has good chances there as long as he can remain fit. The US open is the one where he'll struggle the most to win, he'd need Novak and Murray to get knocked out early which just doesn't happen.

    Murray has a snowball's chance in hell.
     
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    None of these players went on to hit double digits at the slams. Seems like the players who reached double digits won their 6th slam rather young, 22-24.

    It's not a foregone conclusion that Djokovic will reach double digits seeing as the players who were close to his age or older when they won their 6th slam, ended up with around 6-8 slams.

    The closest in age to Djokovic was JMac who was almost the same age as the Serb when he won his 6th slam..

    If Djokovic reaches double digits it will be an anomaly because he was older when he won his 6th slam.
     
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  8. Prisoner of Birth

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    Federer had to deal with Nadal, Djokovic, Murray, Safin, Hewitt, Roddick, Del Potro, Nalbandian (throughout most or all of their primes) and post-prime Agassi. Djokovic has to deal with post-prime Federer (for the most part), Nadal, Murray, Del Potro, Tomic, Raonic etc. and post-prime Hewitt, Roddick etc.

    Federer had and has it tougher.
     
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  9. The_Order

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    Federer racked most of his slams up when Rafa, Novak and Murray were teens, Agassi was well past it and Nalbandian and Safin were far too inconsistent to be a threat at all the majors. Del Potro looks to be in the same inconsistent boat.

    Hewitt and Roddick are good players especially in their prime, but they're no prime Rafa, Murray or post-prime Fed which is what Novak has had to deal with.

    Listing Tomic and Raonic is a joke, you could've listed prime Berdych and prime Tsonga instead...

    So, no Fed didn't have it tougher expecially from 04-07 where a teenage - 21yr old Nadal was his biggest challenge (on all surfaces I might add) despite all the old gen players being in their prime.
     
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  10. Prisoner of Birth

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    Since 2008, when Djokovic won his first Slam and Nadal was definitely in his prime, post-prime Federer has won 5 Grand Slams. As many as Djokovic since his first win. Nadal managed 8. Shows you what post-prime Federer can do against a field consisting of prime Djokovic and prime Nadal. Imagine what prime Federer could do.

    Prime Hewitt, Roddick, Safin, Nalbandian are much, much better than the generation we have coming up which Djokovic will have to deal with. You would have to say Djokovic and Murray have a weaker field to play against.

    Even Federer has had to deal with prime Tsonga and Berdych so that is fairly redundant. Djokovic has to deal with Tomic and Raonic instead of Hewitt, Roddick, Safin, Nalbandian. Definitely has it easier.
     
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    Yes, Djokovic has very physical game but not as physical as Nadal's. Nadal also has had foot condition since 2004 which caused problems throughout his career. The future looks good for Djokovic with his new found health and even if he declines in form, there are no young players with great prospects looming. Federer and Nadal are way past their primes, so only Murray can stop Djokovic. Unlike Nadal, there are 2 majors on HCs that Djokovic can win, which actually puts him in better position.


    Will he overtake Fed's major count? I don't think so. At most he will get 13 IMO, but unlike Fed, Djoker will not have to face peak Nadal on clay. If he wins 13 majors with CYGS, that will certainly make him the GOAT.
     
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  12. BeHappy

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    If Djoker wins 3 slams again this year all bets are off and he could win any number really.
     
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    Tennis is not like romantic relationships, where past history is an accurate indicator of future outcomes.
     
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    At the end of their 25th year Fed/Nadal/Djoko had:

    Titles:
    1- Nadal: 46
    2- Fed: 45
    3- Djoko: 34

    Masters:
    1- Nadal: 19
    2- Djoko: 13
    3- Fed: 12

    Slams:
    1- Nadal: 10
    2- Fed: 9
    3- Djoko: 5

    WTF:
    1- Fed: 3
    2- Djoko: 2
    3- Nadal: 0

    YE at #1:
    1- Fed: 3 cons
    2- Djoko: 2 cons
    3- Nadal: 2
     
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  15. Prisoner of Birth

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    At the end of the year they turned 25, you mean?
     
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    Yes. End of 2006 for Fed, 2011 for Nadal, 2012 for Djoko.
     
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    The end of Federer's 25th year came in August 2007, by which time Federer was at 11 slams.
     
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  18. Prisoner of Birth

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    End of the year he turned 25, which is December 31, 2006.
     
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    Ah gotcha. This is confusing. :twisted:

    I prefer age-to-age comparison.

    At Djokovic's exact age today, both Federer (April 2007) and Nadal (February 2012) had 10 slams.
     
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  20. The_Order

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    Nadal missed 3 slams in that time (since 2008 ).

    post-prime Fed has how many slam wins against the Nadal-Novak duopoly? I know he hasn't got any against Nadal s he's beaten Novak at RG and WIM once and the USO twice. He went on to win 3 of those majors. But as I said he racked most of them up earlier than 2008, in fact 12 of them.

    You should definitely not be comparing guys like Nalby, Hewitt, Roddick, Safin to Raonic and Tomic. Those guys were all Fed's age, so therefore you compare the guys that are Novak's age with Novak. If you compare the teens Fed had to deal with compared to the teens-22 year olds Novak is dealing with, then yes Fed had it MUCH tougher, but then again, those teens (Berdych, Rafa, Novak, Murray) were able to do FAR more against Fed (EVEN IN THEIR TEENS) than the gen at the time could.
     
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    All right, I'll compare Nadal and Djokovic to Tomic and Raonic. After all Nadal is to Federer what Tomic is to Djokovic, age-wise, right? :lol:
     
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    If any fans of Rodge is looking at Djoker thinking he maybe beat his major count, no worries.

    I have said it before and here it is again. Djok's style of play is not far from Nadal's. Where Nadal muscles the ball back Djoker stretches out for it. Both are taxing and will have and has had their consequences.
    Djoker most likely will not beat Nadal's major count, let alone Federer's.
     
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    It's just over zealous Djotards and butthurt Sards that seem to think it's possible.
     
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    There is a huge question mark at RG this year. If Nadal is back, regardless of his 7 months absence he will be the favorite.

    imo, Murray is the favorite going into Wimbledon. One thing is less discussed is how Djoker is vulnerable to the crowd favoritism. He showed that several times in USO.

    AT USO, Djoker will need a favorable draw like he got at AO. I still think Murray will be his toughest obstacle to overcome for any majors to come.

    There is simply not enough majors in a year for him to be able to catch up.
     
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  25. The_Order

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    So you want to compare teenage competition vs prime Rafa and Novak and point out how weak it is. I already said I agree with that what more do you need? LOL. BUT it is a HUGE compliment to Nadal and Novak to compare them with peak Federer and remember they were beating Fed at that age along with Berdych and Murray. Face it, these guys were good enough to hang with peak Fed when they were teenagers. The other players of the 04-07 era were in their prime and apart from god-mode Safin and Nalbandian getting a couple in late 07, they couldn't beat him despite being in their primes. :lol:
     
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    Nadal is the only guy that troubled Prime Federer. Sure, he lost to Murray and Djokovic but that doesn't mean all that much. He still had the measure of them.
     
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  27. The_Order

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    Yes but it is a FACT that Berdych, Murray and Novak also beat peak Fed when they were teens/20 yrs old. Nalbandian picked up 2 wins in late 07 and another one where Fed was sick in the YEC and he came back from 2 sets to 0 IIRC. Safin the only other one who was in god mode. The rest, Hewitt + Roddick + Davydenko + Agassi + Blake + Ljubicic all couldn't beat him.

    And to say Fed had the measure of Murray is not true in the early stages, Murray won 6 of their first 8 matches.

    So yeah current gen certainly troubled peak Federer more than old gen did.
     
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    Of the twelve players mentioned, four were/are lefty. That's 25% of the twelve.
    Meanwhile, left-handed individuals comprise only 10% of the general population.
    So, lefties are over-represented at the top of success in tennis.
    Why are they so good at tennis? :)
     
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    Djokovic... 6 majors.. 11 short of Federer. He'll be 26 years old by the time of the French Open...

    Can anyone really see him winning 3 majors a year for the next four years to overtake Federer? :lol: :lol: Even the most partisan fanboy would be on thin ground to think he could even win three majors in a year once more.
     
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    He will slowly fade into oblivion in the next two years, mark it his style of game cannot be sustained.
     
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    I think people keep saying this to make themselves feel better, because the opposite is actually the truth. Lance does not get injured. He is never sick and he nevers slows down. He's been grinding it out for 2 years now and shows no sign of stopping. All the *******s who are wishing for him to become injury riddled, leading to a short career are stuck in Nadal mode. Injuries just do not happen to Lance, and nothing is going to stop him from getting to Fed's slam count.
     
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    LOL, he peaked too late. He has to win 11 just to catch up to Fed's current number and thats assuming Fed doesnt win anymore. I think if Fed wins one or two more majors its bye bye
     
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    Fed got his 17th at 31. So technically, Nole still has 5-6 years to catch up, and that seems doable considering he has almost no competition except maybe Murray for the next couple of years.
     
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    Lance is not human?
     
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    Oh, so 24/25 year-old Djokovic could grind it out for 2 years so he is obviously gonna grind it out for 10 more years and get to 30 Grand Slams! :) Clarky, you Djotard.
     
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    Age of Hingis when she won her 5th GS - 18 !!

    Age of Seles when she won her 8th GS - 19 !!!!
     
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    So you bring up a thread from more than a year ago to make this irrelevant addition to the list of men's Slam champions? Brilliant.
     
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    ^ So what's your beef? That it's irrelevant? Or more than a year old? Or both?

    That could be irrelevant to you, not me. Should be relevant to at least a few. If it helps, it helps. Just drawing a tangent, to show how women have fared comparably. It's a valid knowledge in the context.
     
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    Now can anyone provide the age of tennis players when they won their 7th slam?
     
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    Djokovic has now won 7 Grand Slam titles. Just 10 more to go to equal Federer's record of 17. Very interesting.
     
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