ALEX Bogomolov-- Traiter

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  1. 813wilson

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    I know - it really sucks!

    I was playing doubles last night. During a change over Santa Claus, Easter Bunny, Tooth Fairy and I were talking; we are all convinced the USA would have been able to earn the Davis Cup with him on the squad.....

    let him play where he can....
     
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    Ok, you convinced me. Let Boggie free, Let Boggie play for Russia. FREEeeee,, Free at last.
     
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  3. woodrow1029

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    Haas DID play a couple of tournaments as USA, but then he went back to Germany.

    Not sure if Bogie has dual citizenship as well, but by the rules, it does not matter about citizenship.
     
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    Alex Bogomolov's background seems to be similar to Maria Sharapova's. Both were born in Russia, the children of tennis coaches and both emigrated to the USA with their parents when both were kids (Alex was 11 while Maria was only 7). Both grew up in the States and learned their tennis there. The only difference being that Maria has always remained a Russian citizen while Alex became a naturalised American.

    If Alex can't play DC for the US, why can't he be allowed to try for his native country if they will have him!
     
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    i don't understand that. are you talking about something like the kazachstan situation? for instance golubev.

    are the davis cup teams allowed to recruit players from any country they wish to? :???:
     
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  6. woodrow1029

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    I posted the rules regarding eligibility of players above.
     
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  7. woodrow1029

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    But, he was born in Russia, so I am assuming he is a national/citizen of Russia with a Russian Passport
     
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    Seles has citizenship of the USA, Serbia and Hungary.
     
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    Good riddance.
     
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    Not sure, but USTA is traiter than Alex and it is the traitest of them all... :mrgreen: :mrgreen: but USTA was the best tuter, menter, counseller and instructer for Alex. :mrgreen:

    [​IMG]
     
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    It's somewhat of an anachronism to stifle a player's opportunities by restricting his movement when capital does anything it pleases.

    I would argue that players should play for whatever country they like as long as they play for at least the whole Davis Cup season for the same country.

    The quasi-feudalistic argument that one should be tied to a master who has invested money in his serf by the performance of labour obligations is bizarre.
     
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    Great discussion overall. My question to OP is he brothering you when he is playing for his motherland Russia. Just sharing not a big ideal at all.
     
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    There, fixed !
     
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  15. dr325i

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    ah, I see...
    Maybe he should learn from Roddick how to behave?
    Or Serena?
    You need to stop watching the 80's movies or CNN and start traveling to realize what is out there...
     
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    Comment of the week! Bravo!!! :lol:
     
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    Bogo behaving like Roddick at his petulant worst would be a 150% improvement. He really has been that bad, at times.

    Jury's out on the Serena comparison, though.
     
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    Bodo on Bogo.

    http://blogs.tennis.com/tennisworld/2011/11/tk.html

    TBH how can USTA all of a sudden take credit for what Boggy's done this year? The guy's apparently worked harder on his own merit this year and earned his rank, and now that he's been successful Russia wants him to represent them. I have no problem with it, I have a bigger problem w/ the folks trying to paint Bog in a bad light over this. USTA is making a mountain out of a molehill over this, TBH. The US isn't going to use him, let's be honest. Roddick, Fish, Isner, Querrey, and even old man Blake are all probably still ahead of him on the US DC pecking order. And to be honest $50K sounds like nothing and probably is nothing to an organization that makes $200 million a year last I checked.

    An interesting quote from Bodo:

    http://sports.yahoo.com/tennis/blog...olov-Jr-play-Davis-Cup-matches?urn=ten-wp3725
     
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    You're right. I misread.
     
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    All the noise around that situation convinces me that DC is still a very meaningful and prestigious event.
     
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    Your comparisons are meaningless! And trust me, you will never catch me defending Roddick's or Serena's attitutde during their numerous tantrums - to assume so is ignorant on your part!

    I suggest you try and comprehend what I said before making insults.

    Before you start defending Bogo, perhaps you should do a little research!
     
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  24. DRII

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    Amen!

    Thanks for informing Mr. or Ms. Naive!
     
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    Again, your message about East European behavior is clear, and my message to you, that you have no idea what you're talking about (this time not so nice) should be clear too.

    No one is defending Bogo -- my point was that your Generalization is stupid.

    Cheers, from an American living in THAT East Europe...
     
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    FYI, I know plenty of, and are friends with many, Eastern Europeans immigrants here in the U.S. (college and tennis pretty much guarantees that), so my knowledge has not been gleaned from watching CNN or 80' movies (talk about generalizations -- hypocrisy much)!

    Your defensiveness is unwarranted and ignorant. If you didn't notice; my assessment of attitudes amongst those of Eastern European descent ranged from 'cool and endearing to putz and moronic i.e. Bogo! That range would encompass any ethnicity or nationality, including my own and really isn't a generalization!

    So please keep your 'cheers' to yourself.
     
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    I'll be interested to see how vindictive the USTA is in this situation. If as Bogo says his heart is with Russia and he wants to end his career competing for Russia, then the USTA could very easily put the kibosh on that.
     
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  28. woodrow1029

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    Bodo is the biggest Bozo in tennis.
     
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  29. glazkovss

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    Nothing unusual in this situation, that is life and it goes on. In the end he is a free man.
     
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    I have to agree with the writer's final comment on Peter Bodo's outraged stance:

    "Therein lies the biggest issue, one Bodo ignored: Nobody has asked Bogomolov to play Davis Cup for the United States. You can't jump ship if nobody's asked you to go sailing."

    Exactly!!
     
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    The guy is 28.
    The US side have had ample opportunities to use him in DC by now.
    They haven't (AFAIK).
    So the guy is a free agent.
    It's only fair.
     
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    That's his MO, he got ya!
     
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    That is a common practice that starts in the juniors.
     
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    He stinks, who cares if he plays for Russia or US
     
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    Bogomolov to represent Russia instead of US
    http://sports.yahoo.com/tennis/news;_ylt=Akh1njvoUY5YXdLDkie9T7s4v7YF?slug=ap-bogomolov-russia

    Here's a classy take by a classy guy:
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    “He hasn’t factored into my thoughts for what our team is and will be,” Courier said on a conference call. “I don’t really see a scenario where he would be playing for the United States. So I wish him well.”
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    The USTA is really a bunch of fools if they are going to make Bogo the villain in all of this...we readily accept players from other nations, yet when someone wants to leave us due to relative lack of support and better opportunity, we're playing hypocrites. Let Bogo be. And FWIW I don't think he's all that great of a representative of the US in the first place. He's a well known jerk and wanted to quit on his last event in Paris in the middle of a match...credit to him for rising in the rankings but it's not the massive loss that the USTA is foolishly making it out to be.
     
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  39. bluetrain4

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    I think you meant "traitor". Is this Olympics related? Will he be playing for Russia for a long enough period to qualify for the Olympics? And, if he is, does the Russian Olympic Committee necessarily have to pick him for the team, even if he is the highest ranked, or second highest ranked Russian?

    All of this is per the ITF, Davis Cup rules, so why the outrage? And why so dramatic? Sure, I understand some people don't think it's a classy move, and maybe it's not. But, "traitor," seriously? For playing tennis. Hyperbole knows no limits, I guess.
     
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    Since Courier is not playing him in the US team, why shouldn't Bogie look elsewhere? After all, it is capitalism. If the USTA wants to prevent those it has supported to not play elsewhere, it needs to put it into the contract before giving the money.

    And it is also about making money. Nowadays players are paid handsomely to play in the DC.
     
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    The USTA might ask him to repay money. Hope it comes out of PMac's salary.

    http://sports.yahoo.com/tennis/news?slug=ycn-10742013

    I spoke with Patrick McEnroe who is in charge of player development for the USTA at the Australian Open Wildcard Playoff held last week in Atlanta, and a couple weeks after Bogomolov made his decision, McEnroe had much to say.

    "He has received quite a bit of support, it's an ITF decision and at the USTA we are exploring our options," he stated. I'll leave it at that."

    After saying that, he kept going.

    "I certainly believe… I have no issue with Alex personally. From the USTA standpoint, he was born in Russia, he has family there, he should repay the USTA. He's actually signed something saying that and we'll see what happens."

    I followed up asking if the USTA is continuing to explore options and McEnroe said, "that is correct."
     
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    The Russian Team has expressed interest in him actually playing on their team, something the USA has really never done for him what-so-ever and according to Courier had no intention of doing this upcoming year either. He wants to be able to play Davis Cup, and if he can't get on the American Team and has the chance to get on the Russian one due to his dual citizenship, then let him go. Seeing as people apparently hate him, and he is being judged as no great loss anyway, why is this even a big deal? The USTA spent $$ on training him...ok...and what has that training netted him? He hasn't won a singles title, hasn't been past the 3rd round of a major..and is 28years old...ummm...he hasn't done a whole lot. Now they are saying they want all the $$ back because he wants to take an opportunity another country is offering him that the USA wasn't planning on offering him at all because it has better players? Seems a little petty. Bogo wants to do what is best for him, and the USTA is just well...sour grapes about it, although I honestly can't see why.
     
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    Pat Mac/USTA aren't finished:

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    I spoke with Patrick McEnroe who is in charge of player development for the USTA at the Australian Open Wildcard Playoff held last week in Atlanta, and a couple weeks after Bogomolov made his decision, McEnroe had much to say.

    "He has received quite a bit of support, it's an ITF decision and at the USTA we are exploring our options," he stated. I'll leave it at that."

    After saying that, he kept going.

    "I certainly believe… I have no issue with Alex personally. From the USTA standpoint, he was born in Russia, he has family there, he should repay the USTA. He's actually signed something saying that and we'll see what happens."

    http://sports.yahoo.com/tennis/news?slug=ycn-10742013
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    Idiots. Go after Sharapova, if you want. She's used as much, if not more, US tennis facilities. Do that, you cowards. That's where the money is. But you don't have the cojones to confront her and turn the slop onto your table.


    Sharapova: $16,643,327 in 11 years, not to speak about endorsements, many from US companies.
    Bogomolov: $1,257,874 in 10 years on the circuit.

    The guy barely makes some money (long-term) and they are after him.

    Both actions would be stupid, but if you go for a stupid move, make the one that is more financially profitable. :-[
     
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    Marius..I gotta agree. Sharapova calls herself Russian, plays for Russia, yet has been benefitting from the US quite a lot in her career...don't see anyone going after her. Although in her case given her advertising power, you'd think they would. They probably don't want to go after her because she makes money for US Tournies when she shows up. Plus, as you said, several US companies have quite a lot invested in her, companies that also probably have investments in the USTA and events it sponsors that the USTA probably doesn't want to risk jeopardizing.

    Still...its petty. All the money invested into bogo hasn't net a lot of return...guy hasn't even won a singles title on the tour...personally...if I were the USTA I'd let Russia have him and recenter $$ and efforts on Isner, Querrey and even Young and Harrison...cut the loses. Career results wise he isn't exactly a loss anyway. Unless the USTA is worried this will be like the Mary Pierce fiasco...let the player go and they go onto to better things under the flag of another country. But really...thats not even likely. They are just being a bunch of brats. They spent $$ sure...but well, not all investments get a return equal to or greater then the investment. They are basically punishing Bogo for taking advantage of an opportunity the USTA/US was likely never going to give him, which is immature and stupid.
     
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    I dont care is he plays for the US as he wouldnt play anyways. However, if we have invested money in him he should be forced to pay it back.
     
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    Why? They chose to invest all the money, and in the end he didn't turn out to be much of anything even with the interest, sponsorships, and whatever else he got, and he's 28 now. I would like to see how much they are going to say he owes them...its probably going to be a hefty sum.

    I highly doubt he will make a ton of difference playing for the Russians in Davis Cup anyway. Its basically a punishment for him taking a stand for himself and taking opportunities offered to him by his country of birth that the USA was probably never going to give him. They are only demanding the money because he is choosing to play for another country, if he wasn't I highly doubt they would ask for a penny.
     
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    ? He is Russian, and should play for Russia.
     
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    Be interesting in looking at player development contract supposedly signed.

    If usta does go after there "LOAN" repayments, they'll have to show consistency with treatment of other players collections. They'll have show the contract is legal and fair. There senior officers and coaches better prepared to front court under oath.
     
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    If they had no intention of using him for their own squad, which seems to be the case, then its completely petty to thwart his ambitions simply in order to eliminate a potential competitor.
     
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    You'd have to show that the USTA had invested money in Sharapova for there to be any valid comparison with Bogomolov.
     

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