ALEX Bogomolov-- Traiter

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  1. MariaRafael

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    I wonder why Americans never hesitated to adopt Lendl, Navratilova, Seles who were 100% raised and trained by their national federations since in the socialist countries all the sports facilities were owned by the state.

    Has the USA ever paid to Czeckoslovakia and Jugoslavia the money spent?

    And now they are making hubbub about a journeyman. Ridiculous, to put it mildly.
     
  2. slice bh compliment

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    Courier is good.
    I can't help but thing the USTA is being petty and Sasha's agent is loving it. All of a sudden this went from a non-story to a chance for a book/film deal.

    It will not matter if Sasha plays for Russia. In fact, it'll make for good press when/if RUS plays USA!

    Go! [literally]
     
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    Alex is modern day rambo.

     
  4. DRII

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    Hate to admit it, but this is kind of a good point!

    Still doesn't change the fact that Bogo is a bozo!
     
  5. slice bh compliment

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    He's no bozo. He wants to represent his country. Either country. HE has clearly burned bridges over here. Dude just wants to play Olympics or Davis Cup.

    And now he wants to do so in a country where they know how to spell the word, 'traitor'.

    Can you blame him?
     
  6. slice bh compliment

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    Good point. But those people wanted to live here.
    Wonder if Sasha wants to live over there.
     
  7. DRII

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    Uhm, sure...

    Russia; declining population, on the brink of a political crisis, economy largely based on petrol funds, no longer a super-power, and a large southern neighbor nipping at its heels... Sounds good to me.

    He can do what he wants, he's still a major putz according to many who've dealt with him.
     
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    Especially since if Czechoslovakia or Yugoslavia had attempted to do what the USTA is now contemplating the USA probably would have made a big deal about it and went into a giant campaign about human rights and freedom and smeared them as much as politically feasible over it, especially if it happened today. However its funny how different it is when the shoe is on the other foot.
     
  9. slice bh compliment

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    Yes, he is a putz. He's burned a lot of bridges.
    Yes, Russia is not doing well.
    I just meant that he can go to Russia and get what he wants: the chance to play Olympics and Davis Cup.
     
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    Right ... Because the USA will have 100% american born athletes in the olympic squad for london 2012 ....

    The usa have always taken athletes from other countries so what's the big deal. Alex is 28 and will not be in the us davis cup team. In truth it will be interesting to see if Alex would even be a regular in the davis cup for russia as they have plenty of good players.

    Youhzny
    Andreev
    Davydenko
    Kunitsyn

    Representing a country and in this case a country he was born in is a great honour and he will get few chances of doing it in his career so if I was him I would go for it.
     
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    Right. I completely agree you...
     
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    He plays for money and he is a free man. You can tell how hard he tries and specially at his age it's very crucial for him. He is under no contract or obligation to work for or stay with any entity.
     
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    It's nice for Bogo having been named most improved player of the year in 2011, but I honestly thought Delpo would have received that honor, having risen from ATP World Tour No. 484 to No. 11 (an improvement of 473) for the year, while Bogo went from World No. 168 to No. 34 (a lesser improvement of 134).

    But none of that is as important IMO as Bogo's behavior at Paris/Bercy, where he lost the first set of round one 4-6 to Bellucci, then stopped play on a changeover somewhere in the second set, sending for the tournament supervisor to ask whether he would be fined if he conceded right then and there cuz he just didnt want to be there anymore! :shock: After having been told "yes," Bogo went back to play, eventually winning the match 46, 76 62 ... then going ahead to lose round two in straights to Tipsy 16, 06 ..... that's the petulant loser mentality of a brat .....

    interesting that Bogo didnt go back to Russia when his father did. makes it look as if he took the money and coaching from the USA all the while playing with his loser mentality, then received monetary motivation from Russia, AFTER which he improved to his current level ... and now he's . . .

    [​IMG]

    with teammates like that, who needs an opponent? ...
    bye-bye Bogo ... don't let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya! [​IMG]
     
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    yeah all hes thinking about is the $50k+ each Davis cup weekend.

    I Honestly would be thinking like that too. funny thing is that trying to make as much money as possible while screwing x amount of people over in the process is the AMERICAN thing to do. Go for it Alex!! Don't let the USTA take a penny from you!
     
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    stereotype much? :eek:

    and your advice to breach a signed contract ... typical :rolleyes:
     
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    Do we have a copy of this signed contract? If yes, I would like to see the prohibition clause.

    BTW, guys, you should decide whether Russia is dying or thriving. Because following you logic, USTA is so poor that 50K $ is a big deal to it. Russian tennis federation offered more, hence Russia is doing better that the USA.

    Another point is that Russian reserves are not reduced to oil and gas only,k it's plus diamonds, gold, platinum, aluminium, rare metals, wood, etc. To cut a long story short, it's a fully self-contained country that lived in isolation for about 70 years and didn't give a damn about it.

    Mr.Bogomolov should be really grateful to USTA for this exposure. I had never knjwn about his existance before USTA introduced me to it.
     
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    He did spell it correctly.

    BTW, we had a similar situation in Australia with regard to Jelena Dokic. She was raised and played most of her junior tennis in Australia, although she was born in Serbia. She (or more accurately her father) had a falling out with Tennis Australia and subsequently moved back to Serbia to play Fed Cup for them. She has since moved back to play for Australia. It also happens quite a lot in the sport of Rugby Union, where players change their allegiances to play for another country. There is a point to be made about money being invested in these individuals and that they should repay this investment with loyalty to their countries. However, we do live in a democracy, and these individuals should be free to follow their own paths in achieving their sporting goals.
     
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    Here, here!
     
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    Doesn't China own the US now? :)
     
  20. MariaRafael

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    I hope not :shock:
     
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    Do u think the world be be worse off if it did?
     
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    that's the way loans work in the u.s.a., whether it's a govt student loan or a private corporation loan ... if you borrow money, the lending institution calls in a collection agency to hound you till you fulfill your obligation ... same thing with the military in the u.s.a. ... if you think you can "pretend" to serve in the military in exchange for a college education and then just drop out and go into private life without fulfilling your part of the bargain ... well, in america, the military will demand you fulfill the terms of your contract.

    here in the u.s.a. if an adult signs a contract to perform a service or repay a loan, but then refuses to perform their part after having taken the agreed-upon benefit from the loaning party, that's what's known as breach of contract. yes, breach of contract is against the law in the u.s.a. ... don't they have the same law in all countries? :cool:

    either way, something's wrong with bogo's work ethic, as he demonstrated at paris/bercy this year. no doubt he will have the same problems in russian federation
     
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    I still don't know why it is regarded as a loan. In my country the tennis federation just uses money to support young players when they need it. And nobody would think about chaining them to this particular country for the rest of their lives. They are not slaves. And unless USTA can positively prove that there is a clause where it is explicitly stated something like "X shall not play for any country besides the USA. In case of breach of the above, he shall repay the funds spent on his training", it is not entitled to anything.
     
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    Bog probably had no loan from the USTA.

    At most he received training and whatever associated monies or services in the context of an agreement with some sort of exclusivity or non-compete provision.

    So they say he must buy his way out of the agreement. In reality, the Russians should do this if they want him that badly.

    The fact is that exploitative contracts are all too frequent when you have powerful institutions.
     
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    http://www.tennis.com/articles/templates/ticker.aspx?articleid=14956&zoneid=6

    "... The son of a famous Russian teaching pro, Bogomolov moved to South Florida when he was 11. His older sister Katia (a former All-American at the University of Miami), younger brother Boris and mother Natalie had to make a number of adjustments when Alex Sr. decided in 2003 to move back to Russia because he didn’t like the work ethic of the juniors he was teaching in Florida. ..."

    was alex sr coaching alex jr at the time of senior's return to russia? :???:

    cuz i've never, ever seen a player interrupt any match, let alone a masters 1000 match, demanding to see the supervisor before continuing, stating as the reason: I just don't want to be here anymore" after having lost the first set ... and then tanking his next match 16, 06 ... eduardo schwank got fined for losing much less egregiously in houston the year before, but AFAIK, bogo wasnt fined at all for his tank in round two

    woof! :shock: ...wonder if alex sr. saw that little bercy performance along with the thousands upon thousands who were watching and listening in via the atp microphones and cameras ... not surprising bogo jr. doesn't speak to his father after a match that he loses ...
     
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    Are you serious? I sometimes have difficulty in spotting irony. It is soooo American of me.
     
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    Do you think this would have been an issue if he was a tennis nobody? Geez I'd want to leave too if people in my country were like this.
     
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    it's not that big of a deal that "people in my country were like this." a very, very small proportion of the people in the u.s.a. care the smallest damn about tennis and millionare drama queens such as alex bogo
     
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    Well if you all dislike him so much, then why make such a fuss about him wanting to leave?
     
  30. DRII

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    Yes...

    What do you find hard to understand?
     
  31. Love Game

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    oh is he leaving? :confused: i hadn't heard that.

    contrary to your conclusion, i wouldnt mind one iota if he did leave ... but then im just one person, not the "people in the country" that you were dissing.

    heck, bogo isnt even committed enough to his son to marry his baby mama

    bogo is a have cake provided by someone else, while simultaneously eating it kinda guy, so i doubt he's going anywhere

    let us know when he actually leaves, K? ;)
     
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    Let my people go!
     
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    I doubt there's a repayment contract or clause.

    The USTA invests in future prospects. Like any area of investing, there are always risks, and here that includes the risk of the player, per valid international tennis rules, playing for another country. So, some may not like Bolgo for doing this, but I doubt there's any available recourse against him other than an end to any wildcards, etc. that he may get from the USTA.

    "Traitor" seems a bit over the top. Are scholarship athletes who transfer schools and then play against their former teams all traitors?
     
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    The guy is called 'Bogomolov' for some reason, one might think.
     
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    Yes, if there is a more general resolution of the issue of compensating countries for developmental costs then America will be the loser.

    It appears also that the US were never asking Bogmolov for money, but Russia, which was the appropriate authority given he had changed clubs/countries.
     
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    Does Alex come on this board and post what he thinks ?
     
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    *** Perfect timing, PC ***

    and it brings up this question:
    How much money did Russia charge Kazakhstan for each
    member of KAZ's current (2011) Davis Cup Team??????

    1. Mikhail KUKUSHKIN
    2. Andrey GOLUBEV
    3. Yuriy SCHUKIN
    4. Evgeny KOROLEV

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    Yes, your honor. Indeed, ^those^ are the goons who bumped Borat Sagdiyev and Azmat Baghatov from the Kazakh Davis Cup team.
     
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    yep ... the last time an actual Kazakh played for the Kazakh Davis Cup team was a guy named Alexey Kedryuk in 2009 ...
     
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    and Youzhny the man won the doubles on sat. so he couldn't have been injured.
     
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    Bogomolov Jr. has always been a Russian citizen. Rusedski's switch to representing Britain in June 1995 just before the Queen's Club tournament caused a lot of controversy at the time.
     

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