Alex Bogomolov's Prestige

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  1. NoBadMojo

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    I have two of his frames. The are Flexpoint MP's. They arent paintjobs. very small grips - 4 1/4. No spec decals and custom built by Bosworth buttcap. They are unstrung, and feel about evenly balanced unstrung, so they are seriously customized. I may string one up and have a go with it on Friday.
     
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    Huh? Alex switched to Prince recently. Did he switch back again or do you have old frames?
     
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    Hi Fee....I really am not interested in who is playing what, so have no idea. The buttcaps have the Bosworth Logo and say 'Custom Built by Bosworth for Alex Bogomolov. I bet they are his previous frames. Is he doing better since the switch? worse? same?
     
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    nbm has 2 of these
     
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    Okay, got it. I think he switched in late April or early May. He's played with about 8 different racquets since I met him a few years ago, I swear I don't know anyone who has the equipment issues that he does.

    I spoke to him in June at Yuba City and he really seemed to like the new frames, he's using the orange ones which I guess are the O-Tour models? He played well in Carson, then not so well in Yuba City, so I would say that's about the same as the Alex B. of previous years. ;)

    NBMJ, how heavy are the racquets? Can you measure or guess the weight?
     
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    mebbe he liked the old frames but prince gave him an offer he couldnt refuse? they seem to be buying up lots of pros. perhaps head was paying him zero and just supplying him w. frames which he was spending a real lot of money on to have customized, and Prince came along with some dinero? who knows. i do know there is a serious misconception on this forum as lots of people seem to think that most pros get paid to play racquets....many/most of them dont.

    These frames really arent super heavy...they feel a little lighter than my becker11Mids unstrung (for clarification am comparing the Prestige un to the Becker strung) which I play stock except for leather. It is clear there is weight in the hoop on these and i dont think there is much/any down low...that seems to trick people like me into thinking the frames are heavier than they really are because I play mine headlight....the Becker Mid is a 325 grams frame. add .5 oz for stringing...a bit more w. poly. I'll have a much better idea about balance and swingweight if i get one strung and play with it, and if i pass by a post office, i'll see if i can throw one on a scale for you. later on, Mojo
     
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    Hey NBMJ...

    Just wondering how you came across these frames?

    Little grips are awesome for generating spin...you might get addicted and switch if you try them:)
     
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    Ah-ha! Now we know why Ashley Harkleroad divorced him. ;) :oops: :lol:
     
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    Alex is indeed now playing with Prince racquets. I haven't seen him play with a stencil in his racquets much in the last few years so I doubt his constant switching has anything to do with money.
     
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    Yo Mike....a friend in the Industry who I've helped out in the past.

    Ya man...over the years I've gone from 5/8 to 1/2, and have been playing 3/8ths now for a few years. Any smaller and my wrist starts to hurt on the forehand and I cant volley so well. The small grips also really help get you more action on the serve as well. Mojo

    ps. Grabbed this racquet again..i'm sure the static weight is actually low on this thing
     
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    please stop saying it feel like not so heavy and evenly balanced like my boris becker racquet(bla,bla,bla....)

    JUST BUY A SCALE AND WEIGHT IT
    SAME FOR THE BALANCE POINT
     
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    what racquet is he using now?
     
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    I dont find junior high humour funny especially when coming from an 'adult'. nice work w. the multiple smileys.
     
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    Thank you, I was curious about that too because I vaguely remember holding one of his old Babolat racquets back in 2005 and thinking 'this isn't very heavy'. I have one of Justin's Babolat frames and I think it's stock except for the lead at 3 and 9. The heaviest racquet I've held was Mike Yani's and his was just weird. So I guess not all of the players need heavy bats, it's just their own personal preference.
     
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    can you post some pics :)
     
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    Not a chance, Mojo isen't the photo kinda guy!
     
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    yw Fee. You are one of the forum 'good guys' and post good info, so was happy to do this. A big part is the customizing of all their frames to precisely match. Indeed, the specs of pros racquets are all over the place and vary wildly, especially w. string tension I think.
    Also think that with baselining the main way on Tour these days, many of the pros use frames w. more weight in the head than days gone by...weight added up high quickly adds to the swingweight

    no pics..looks exactly like a Flexpoint Pretige MP w. white overgrip except for the buttcap as indicated earlier.
     
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    My post w. the weight and balance of this frame was deleted.

    The racquet only weighs 10.9 un and balances at .6HL strung w. a 17multi. Strung SW seems to be under 330, but will have a better idea after hitting with it
     
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    Thanks for the compliment NBMJ.

    Hey, can I ask you a question? I was talking to Jan-Michael about his racquet back in June, he has lead at 12, 3 and 9 and he said 'I like it that way, it's a really live racquet.' What does 'live' mean? I didn't get a chance to ask him.
     
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    He probably meant that the balls reaction off of the strings is pretty solid and explosive. When I talk about a "lively" racquet, I usually refer to a racquet that's comfortable for me to swing and when I make contact with the ball there's no sense of instability and the ball literally sinks into the stringbed but then jumps off of the strings.
     
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    I assume he means that the extra weight in the hoop makes the ball jump off the racquet..more power..more lively.
     
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    NBMOJO, can you please post pictures of the frames:confused:,

    because the picture provided by Bogie shows the groves at the throat and that is not a FXP but a painted PT630, SO I do not know what you really have?
     
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    sorry you dont understand what i have. try reading what you quoted me on and reading the thread. your question about the pictures will also be answered
     
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    it is simple no groves at throat (boxed) equals stock FXP equals no bogomolovs frame which is what you have unless you provide photo?
     
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    what was I thinking:confused: you refused to post pictures, you have a stock FXP, that is not Alex Bogomolov's Prestige
     
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    consider that paintjobs do not have real flexpoint holes in them and the corresponding indents in the frame.
    your posts arent deserving of any sort of response...have no idea whay i am indulging you. you also posted the same crap in the racquet section. please go away..thanks.
     
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    ^^^^you have a stock FXP that he probably tested and hated, He used a PT57A, unless you provide photos which you will never do.

    now go and play with your BB's you have no business commenting on frames you know nothing about.
     
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    no..he uses a Prince racquet now..read the thread...hope this doesnt cause you too much angst. you'll forgive me if i choose not to continue this with you
    nice touch adding the snide totally unecessary Becker comment..you must be special.
     
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    fine, usED, who cares what he uses now, the photos of him using (not a stock FXP) Head is not what you claim are his frames,

    VSbabolat will come here and straighten you out

    let the Head experts chime in, you are no Head expert, now go and play with your volkls
     
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    That is not exactly true there are "Flexpoint" racquets that use the Pro Tour 630 mold but have actual Flexpoint holes that are Pro issue only.
    Here is Thomas Martinez talking about Gustavo Kuerten's racquet back in Feb. 12, 2007.
    Other notables with the Pro Tour 630 with Flexpoint holes (not painted) and grooves in the throat are Wawrinka and Sela.
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    Versus comercial flat throat.
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    Mojo, Please understand I have no intention of having a argument with you. I just wanted to put out some things that maybe you are unaware of. Bogomolov certainly has gone through some different racquet over the last few years and at one time was using the Pro Tour 630 with the Flexpoints like in Bogie's photo. Just curious which one you have . The racquet with the grooves in the throat with the Flexpoint holes (Pro Tour 630 with Flexpoint holes) or a real Fexpoint Prestige MP with the flat throat, flexpoint holes, and the Liguidmetal ridges inside the hoop at 10, 2, 5, and 7 O'clock.
     
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    thanks VS for chiming in

    I asked NBMOJO in a kind way to post pictures of what he has and he refused and told me to go away:confused: I doubt he even knows what he has.

    NBMOJO, plain and simple, post photos and I will eat crow.
     
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    im kinda confused??? um so its not a real flexpoint but it doesnt cup the ball and What grooves are you talking about?
     
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    Look at the throat of Sela's racquet see the grooves in the throat.
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    Now look at the FXP Prestige MP that is sold to the public no grooves it is flat.
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    this is not for you but for the slow folks on this forum like NBMOJO, look at the black circles
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    I asked NBMOJO in a kind way to tell me about the throat:confused: he refused to even post a photo, too bad
     
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    ok thanks. I see what you are saying. Didnt understand what you meant by grooves. These frames have grooves in them and real flexpoints, and arent flat like the stock frames evidently are. The grooves resemble those of Volkl racquets. Have no idea what the stiffness of old Head frames might be from that old mold in stock form but i bet pretty flexy. I really doubt that this frame is gonna be a flexy hit, so perhaps this is an old Head mold w. a firmer layup and the Flexpoint holes, and who knows what else? so you all can call this whatever you want ;)

    I'm just not so interested in all this minutia....i know that pros get customized frames to varying degrees, and really dont care who uses what. I started this thread because I know some people are interested and I thought it was meaningful to post how low the static weight of these frames are...and I am curious how this frame would hit since it seems to be in my swingweight range, so i strung one up.
     
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    geeze it took intervention to straighten this out, Hence it is not a stock FXP unlike what you said here http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=2527221&postcount=82 , it has grooves, geeze, next time we should bust out the bib and the spoon :) all you had to do was post photos or say yes it has the grooves at the throat.
     
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    I have had the opportunity to see one of those racquets at one of the famous customizers last year. The racquet (PT630withFlexpoints) you have does have a layup of Graphite and Twaron Fiber and does not have the piezoelectric fibers, TwinTube construction, and Liquidmetal. It will be interesting to hear your take on the racquet. Thank you for understanding where I am coming from.
     
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    i think i get it. you sound a lot like Chaho posting under another username. that explains it all

    gotcha..apologies for my role in our previous misunderstandings. i'll post my thoughts on this stick after my hit. why wouldnt they offer this layup to consumers? more graphite and more of the good stuff so more expensive to make?
     
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    whatever mojo, cheers drink up
     
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    Yes that's my thought, they are too expensive cos using different lay ups, very high modulus graphite, sometimes different string pattern etc...
    Anyway, looking out for you review Ed, keep us posted...
     
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    I think it's more of a matter of the % of graphite in the layups of some of the pros frames. I've suspected that some of the pros get to use racquets w. a higher % of graphite to resins/fillers/plastics. Dont know about these head frames, but can say that the n series and k series Wilsons i've hit with sure dont feel much like graphite frames..they feel more like hitting with plastic. I bet Fed's frames have quite a bit higher content of graphite in them than the consumer grade ones

    As to Bog's frames....he gets the benefit of double customization. he was using a frame mold not available to the public and had them further customized by Bosworth
     
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    Spent at least an hour w. this racquet this morning under very heavy conditions. Very warm and humid, slow har-tru, and a fine drizzle. Hit in both drill format and point play format playing 7/11 games.

    Racquet strung at 52 w. Klip Excellerator17 which is the string I always use in a playtest racquet

    Dont know what all you guys are interested in knowing and will try and keep this pretty short as best as i can. I really enjoyed my hit w. this racquet. It's very solid and comfortable and had ample power to it. Flatter trajectory than my usual ralley ball which was expected. Hit everything well with it...was best at groundstroking, served fine, quick on service returns and volleyed well but I think volleying was its weaker point and this could be more a function of the way the racquet is set up balancewise and the very small gripsize more than anything else. I dont think the swingweight could be over 325..so that would make it in the 330 range strung w. poly. I can see how a pro could really smoke the ball with a racquet like this. use really big batspeed with poly for spin and control. lots of ball speed and control and could penetrate the court even with the heavy conditions without trying to force my strokes.

    I learned something by hitting with a setup like that. That you can hit a solid heavy ball with a lighter frame like this provided the racquet isnt so headlight. You really could feel some mass in the head on groundstrokes ...it really helped pull the racquethead through and helps you hit some big groundstrokes. In the future, I'm going to morph into racquets with this type of static weight and balance.

    I am interested if anyone knows what someone like Warren Bosworth might do to customize a racquet like this from a measurement point of view. I know about silicone in the handle and lead tape of course, but I understand the pro customizers are more about MOI than swingweight..do they have a special machine which measures this??? there is obviously a lot more to this than what people do at home by slapping lead around until it feels ok.
    As a pure guess, do they know what swingweight/balance a pro prefers and then tweak the MOI using a machine to optimize the weight distribution?
     
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    Yes -- as I understand it you start with a preferred balance and swingweight and then make the racket up from there. But static weight is also important. Whenever I speak to soemone who does this sort of thing they can always tell you what leading pros do by ref to weight, swingweight and balance. The guys maintain that they can give you any combination in any racket. So if you want the Agassi set up you go for 355/335/6 or whatever it actually is.

    cc
     
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    Swingweight and MOI are the same thing. If that racquet has a weight of 11.5 oz strung, and it is evenly balanced, then it is highly dubious that the swingweight is below 330. 350 would be more expected for that weight and balance, unless the silicone was added to the throat.
     
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    the swingweight is def below 330..it is nowhere close to 350. i hear MOI numbers thrown around which are 2 digit numbers and believe there is a machine which measure this differently than what an RDC machine does
     
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    A quick google revealed this machine for those interested. Hooks into a pc so I assume you can do what if scenarios with it. used for golf clubs which are obviously swung, so no reason why it wouldnt be useful for tennis ---> http://www.idicb.com/moimeas.htm
     
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    I think it's interesting that every driver on the market comes with the twistweight spec. When will tennis technology catch up to golf?

    Twistweight MOI is just as important in tennis as it is to golf.
     
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    Mojo, was this your first time with the Pro Tour 630? It is still one of the more popular HEAD racquets out on the Tour today.

    When HEAD manufactures the racquets for the Pros in Austria (HEAD is still manufacturing the Pros racquets in Austria) they manufacture them lighter. HEAD does not add any weights to the racquet like they would for the retail versions. This allows for customization either by HEAD themselves or by a customizer.

    I know that **** has proprietary equipment that measures the MOI that is hooked up to a PC.

    You can customize and match racquets yourself at home. There is no reason one can't when you have a scale and a balance board with the help of these two computer programs.
    http://twu.tennis-warehouse.com/learning_center/customization.html
    http://twu.tennis-warehouse.com/learning_center/howto_swingweight.html
     
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    yes this is mojo's first time with a 16 year old virgin errr :confused:I mean PT630:). thank god he did not use the Mojo set up on her, it would have rendered it useless LOL. he knew better:)
     
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