All hell broke loose @ Tecnifibre factory (3 unmatched TFights 295)

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  1. THESEXPISTOL

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    Hi there guys. Found an online ad with three cheap TFights 295. As i pursued this racquet when the model was announced, so i couldn't help myself and got them. They were pretty cheap thought, i got these three used for the price of half the cost of a new racquet.
    I was terrorized when i weighted them, just to see the difference between them... I'm no usually very picky about this, because i never had problems with QC on my POG mids, my AG200 and when i did a customization for two HMPP of a friend they were actually perfect twins, and they were bought on different stores at different times.

    But here we go:

    I weighted them without the replacement grip and i got the same results. The three grips are exactly matched, and they weight 15g each.

    They were weighted with the replacement grip ON!
    Racquet A weights: 298g
    Racquet B weights: 296g
    Racquet C weights: 293g

    It doesn't seem that much, but where i measured their balance i was in for a surprise.

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    Can any expert tell how can i match them in weight and balance? Leadtape is ok but i would rather not fiddle with silicone.
     
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  2. mcnota

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    I know how you feel, got 2 blx 95's and the balance is out by 1.5cm

    lead under the hoop to match the most 'headheavy' frame would be your best bet

    maybe some cotton and lead in the handle if you need it
     
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  3. insiderman

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    As they say; "you get what you pay for..."
     
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  4. THESEXPISTOL

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    I know how much capitalist americans (just implying facts here) love that quote...
    But the guy who sold them to me paid 180€ for each new.
     
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  5. SFrazeur

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    Wilson users can only pray for such a closely matching set.

    -SF
     
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  6. Hidious

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    It's not that bad, is it?
     
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  7. _skunk_

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    5 grams from racket A to racket C, I would not complain, little bit of lead and you have the rackets matched perfectly.
     
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  8. THESEXPISTOL

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    I'm used to get all of my racquets matched. Got two AG200 in Europe and three more from US and the difference between all of them was 1g!

    Thank god i'm not into Wilson. I once was offered two new K98 and both of them broke while playing with them. One on the throat and the other at 7 o'clock.
     
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  9. Lefty78

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    I recently got a pair of 320's...

    The weights were 2 grams apart
    Balance was off .8cm
    Unstrung SWs were A=292, B=307!!!!!!!
     
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  10. jjs891

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    I don't think it's too difficult to match the wt and balance for those 3 racquets. Swing weight matching ia another story though.
     
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    It's funny how you put a pencil under the laptop and heavy bottle of water on top of it :)
    I'm sure you will find your way around racquet balancing problem ;)
     
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  12. THESEXPISTOL

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    LMAO, it was the first thing that occurred me, i don't to be a physicist to that.
    Gonna ask for help from this 4:

    [​IMG]
     
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  13. Huppe

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    I feel your pain

    I don't know if this should make you feel better (yours are closer than mine were) or worse (Tecnifibre won't care about your dilemma), but when they came out, having used several of the previous two generations of racquets, I tried the 320 V02 Max and even though it was lighter than racquets I usually use, I loved it. Best I have played with a racquet to this day. Bought another one and just could not hit the same. It turned out I loved the first, perhaps, because it was 324 grams, not 320. The second one: 315. That's a noticeable swing, and coming from the tighter controlled earlier models and even tighter Fischers, I could never get used it, and it didn't play the same to me even when matched with lead. I finally sold the light one, bought a 325, hit almost as well with it, and then just finally sold the one I loved.

    I tried to get help from Tecnifibre while the racquet was still essentialy new, letting them know I owned and played the original 325, the 320, the 335, etc., and they said hey, the control is +/- 5 grams, and both are within control, so tough luck.

    Almost ashamed to say I still play the 325 V02 (I tried to switch out of spite originally but still liked it best), but have been shopping recently for something else.

    I hope the lead matching works for you, which it might given your difference is a little less severe.

    I just played with the Tennis Warehouse tools to add 9 grams and end up with the same balance to make the adjustment, but I suspect the problem for me was the swingweights were never the same.

    Good luck with your matching!
     
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  14. pvw_tf

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    On babolat rackets they display the weight as 320gr +/- 7 and Balance 320mm +/- 7.

    You do not state the balance difference but there will a 2 to 3% tolerance on weight and balance for each racket out there (So in your case the weight is actually pretty close to the 295). So if you want them the same you have to get your rackets out of a big pile of rackets and sort out the one which are the close to the same.

    Snauweart had in the past on the weight and balance on the racket. So 345 Grams 310 balance. There will always be a tolerance, because 347 will fall in the 345 and 348 will be 350.

    But it is clear that a racket weighting at the lower range will play different than the one on the high range.

    Peter
     
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  15. Arthuro

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    This is not an impossible or actually that severe difference. These can be easily matched. In order for us to give you the correct lead placements, we need some information:

    Weights: (which you have provided)
    Swing weight for each;
    Balance for each.

    If we have these three variables for each racquet we can help you match them.

    Best,

    Arthuro.
     
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  16. Relinquis

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    lead tape is probably your best bet to match the three as you'll only need a few grams and are not adding a significant amount of weight. I prefer adding it on the pallet under the leather grip or at 3&9 o'clock/12 o'clock as appropriate.

    These two links will help you figure out where to put the lead and how much to use.

    racquet customisation:
    http://twu.tennis-warehouse.com/learning_center/customization.php

    customisation reverse engineering worksheet:
    http://twu.tennis-warehouse.com/learning_center/customizationReverse.php
     
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  17. Torres

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    Surely, you need to string them all up and go hit with them before deciding which of A,B, or C you prefer in terms of the way it plays. Then you can go about matching the other two to the racquet that you prefer.
     
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  18. SFrazeur

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    Depending on the swing weight, balance and weight combinations he may not have a choice but to match to the most common point.

    -SF
     
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  19. luishcorreia

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    Well... I do not think that its an overwhelming difference. At all. Are they strung with the same string and gauge? I would say its actually very close...
     
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    True, but he won't know what that reference point might be until he strings them all up and plays with each of them. Unless of course he just wants 3 matched racquets.
     
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  21. Someone Else

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    All of Tecnifibre's racquets are Made in China, and are NOT made at their
    string factory in France. Their tennis balls, bags and other accessories are not made in France either.
     
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  22. THESEXPISTOL

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    Yeah, I'm doing that.
     
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  23. syke

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    Pacific racquets are also Made in China... But they are able to offer Zero Tolerance on their X-Force range. Why can't other manufacturers do the same.
     
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  24. SFrazeur

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    Zero Tolerance only refers to unstrung weight and balance. Meaning the guarantee excludes swing weight and stiffness.

    Why can't they? Why do they need to? Players buy the racquets anyway. So there is no reason to cut into the profit margin.

    -SF
     
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  25. syke

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    Consumers these days are becoming better informed.
    Granted Zero Tolerance excludes swing weight and stiffness, but the question is what are the odds of a consumer having a machine to read out stiffness and swing weight? Balance and Static weight can be measured easily by everyone. And a consumer to discover the huge variation, is simply bringing the brand name down.

    Once a brand name is tarnished, it will take years to rebuilt that trust...
     
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  26. SFrazeur

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    The Über educated guys on this forum represent only a small percentage of overall sales and racquet consumerism. Most recreational players do not know squat. What they know are subjective things--They know what they like.

    There has always been variation in racquet specs. This dates to the beginning with wood racquets. On an aside it would not surprise me if steel racquets were the most consistent due to the nature of their materials (metal and plastic).

    Babolat racquets have their tolerances printed right on their racquets of 7 +/-. I do not see their brand as having been tarnished and in need of repair. Do you?

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  27. syke

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    Yes, I do... I always stay clear from Babolats..:)
    Would you accept a 14 gram variation among your sticks?
     
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    Do you stay clear from Babolat due their manufacturing tolerances or because of more subjective reasons?

    Where are you getting 14 grams from?

    -SF
     
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  29. TennisCJC

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    They sound close and you should be able to match them with lead tape. Buy the iPhone SwingTool app - it cheap about $3 - and you can then measure and try to match swingweight too.

    Too late to help you with this purchase but TW will match rackets if you buy 2 or more from them. They may even try to pull a single racket close to the manfacturers spec. They charge $10 per racket. I bought 2 Volkl O10 295 and they came in with exact balance and swingweight and the static weight was about 2.5 grams apart - that's less than 1% variance which is very good. It was well worth the $20 for both to have them this close.
     
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  30. mmk

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    Better that than a bottle of heavy water
     
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  31. ian2

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    Yeap, seems really close... uncommonly close, you lucked out! Knowing the actual balance point for each frame would help, the bottle/pencil contraption doesn't tell much :) You may want to take off the grips, see if there is any lead on the pallets, and under the butt caps. Then re-measure, as bare as possible (removing grommets would be going too far though :) I use a scale with 0.1 gram precision and Alpha balance board sold on TW... once you start putting a "bare" frame back together, rounding errors with grip weight, butt caps weight, even the rubberband thingies can add up to several grams difference in a hurry.
     
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