All of a sudden, im breaking strings in 1 day...solution?

Discussion in 'Strings' started by ferrytran, Apr 26, 2012.

  1. ferrytran

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    So im using the new 2012 Wilson Prostaff blx 90 6.1 tour. the best and perferred set of strings i use is the wilson champions choice. i do nat gut in the mains at 60lb and the lux rough on the crosses at 55lbs. my reasons for those tension is that my philosophy is that if the crosses are looser, the mains would snap back easier creating more spin. anyways, these would last me for about 4-6 days of hitting at about 1.5 hours a day. i still like them but of course cost is the issue and i would only buy a set once in a while if i have extra cash.

    i alternatively substituted the nat gut with a multi. i still kept the lux rough in the crosses at same tension. i also like multis due to the comfort and power. but i have gone through literally at least 5 sets of these and they have been breaking within 2 hours! that is a waste of at at least 15$ a day? twice, i broke two sets in a day! the multis i was using were x1 biphase and nxt both 16G. basically, this hybrid setup doesnt even last half as long as the nat gut setup so i was wasting more money!! and to be honest, playability wasnt even as good as the champions choice set.

    so what do you guys think about the string setup that is making them break so easily? tension? multi main and stiff lux rough poly not a good match? from another perspective, im currently using a full set of nxt tour and they are fraying after 2 hours of hitting. am i just a hard aggressive hitter? i play with full western and hit with alot of pace and spin. i have been playing tennis for a little under 2 years (started with no skills and never had a personal coach) and was not really a string breakers before (though i was usually using full polys before).

    opinions?
     
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  2. loosegroove

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    Yeah, the poly is simply sawing right through the soft multi mains. Multis in the mains with poly crosses simply don't have the same properties as with natural gut. In a hybrid, I'd only use poly in the crosses if I was using natural gut for the mains like your old setup, otherwise the poly cuts right through whatever multi/syn gut I have in no time flat. Plus from a playability standpoint, I don't really understand having poly in the crosses with a multi. It isn't a setup I see much benefit from and I'd rather put the poly in the mains.

    Personally I think it better to use a smooth poly for the cross when hybriding with natty gut mains, but what do I know seeing how Wilson packages those two together. Also, if you look at alternative string brands you could definitely get a natty gut/poly hybrid for half the price of Wilson Champion's Choice by buying a full set of natural gut and a full set of poly.
     
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  3. ferrytran

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    in that case, what is a good natural gut for a low price. what has got my interest so far is the babolat tonic. supposedly they do not match the quality of vs gut but it is much cheaper. anybody with experience?
     
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  4. loosegroove

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    I haven't used it, but have read some terrific reviews from fellow forum members on Mamba Tennis Supra Gut. I have tried out many of their polys though, which have been top notch, reasonably priced, and their customer service is great. For $22 a full set backed by the good reviews and solid customer service, I think it's worth a shot. I want to try some out myself eventually in a hybrid with poly crosses.
     
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  5. olliess

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    I have had a similar experience. As loosegroove says in the post above, the poly is just sawing right through the multi mains. Gut mains seems to keep sliding on poly crosses even after grooves appear, but multis catch and just fall apart. As a result, gut/poly seems more cost effective than multi/poly despite the higher initial cost.

    Also, full NXT seems to fray early and a lot, but it still plays fine. I'd just ignore it and keep playing until it actually breaks.

    The 6.1 Tours are pretty open-patterned and really seems to eat up strings in general, but if you can get ~10 hours before your mains break then that's kind of the right time for the polys to be cut out anyway.
     
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  6. TennisCJC

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    Tonic is a very good gut for a lot less money. I have used it as mains and crosses with poly hybrids and it is outstanding. Alos, Pacific Classic gut is good too but maybe just a notch below the tonic.

    I am currently using multi/poly hybrids. It is not as good as gut/poly but I think it has the advantage of having better feel and power than poly/multi. I get about 5-6 matches/practices - mostly doubles or 10-12 hours. Then, the multi is notched to the point of breaking. You probably hit a lot harder than I do as I am in my mid-50s.

    If you play all court tennis and volley a lot, I think gut/poly or multi/poly are better than poly/gut or poly/multi. The soft string in the mains just gives your volleys a touch of pop and spring.

    If you go the poly main route, then try a multi cross and compare it to a gut cross. A gut cross is only slightly better than a multi cross as the MAIN strings determine about 75% of the playing characteristics of the racket. In other words, an expensive gut cross may not be substantially better but it will be substantially more expensive. My opinion is a gut cross is a wee bit better but not a big enough difference to warrant the extra money as a cross string. Up to you and your budget though.

    Tonic is proably the most durable gut for me.
     
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  7. TheRed

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    Get mamba supra natural gut in 16 (actually thicker). Plays better than the current VS
     
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  8. ferrytran

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    is the only place to get the mamba supra natural gut is off their website? looks like some people like them and it would be worth a shot. looks like ill be testing tonic, mamba supra and pacific classic. i hope they play just as good as the wilson natural gut. and i hope they dont break while i string them. ill still keep the crosses as lux bb rough.
     
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  9. loosegroove

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    Yeah, you can only get the Mamba Stringsfrom their actual website. Cool thing is they offer free shipping on all orders.
     
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  10. ferrytran

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    yup, i just ordered a set. they dont have their premium edition. does anybody know where they are located?
     
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  11. ferrytran

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    i have used gut in the crosses once with poly mains. it was the worst decision ever and waste of money. so i would never put gut in the crosses.
     
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  12. fortun8son

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    I still don't understand why anyone would use Poly/Gut unless you have a 18ft piece of gut that you don't know what to do with.
    Gut/Poly, Poly/Multi, or Poly/Syngut, yes
     
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  13. loosegroove

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    Their premium edition is a cow gut that is inconsistent in thickness (within the same set of string). I don't think it really affected playability all that much, but it bothered some users, and some seem to complain that it was quite thick in areas making it difficult to string through the grommets. Supra on the other hand really is their "premium" gut, is more consistent throughout, and I have yet to read a negative thing, actually only glowing reviews so far. They are located in Florida.
     
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  14. fortun8son

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    I agree. I ordered 4 sets of the Supra, myself.
    The gauge is still inconsistent. but hey, it's a natural product and if you want consistency, that's why you pay 40 bucks or more for Babolat, Wilson and Prince
     
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    @fortun8son

    I guess IF you get free strings from your sponsors (aka top pros) there is no reason not to go with gut in the crosses.

    Quite a few pros, I think go with this setup.
     
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    I'm not trying to start an argument, but I disagree. The reason I prefer poly/gut over gut/poly is that I get more control as well as significantly more durability. The gut helps expand the sweet spot of a stiff poly like b5e more than multis and synthetics and keeps the strings feeling good even after the poly dies. I have also only found one, maybe two gut/poly setups that have as much or more spin than b5e/gut.

    I do believe that for the average player, a multi or synthetic gut will definitely suffice, but if I had a set of gut, I would just use it as a cross.
     
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  17. Rjtennis

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    So your playing a BLX 90 with a full western grip? Wow.

    I would probably never us gut in a cross unless I was getting it for free.
     
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    I also liked B5E mains with gut crosses better than the reverse setup.
     
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  19. ferrytran

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    yup, i use full western on that racket. takes a lot of energy away from me but i play aggressive :). i see a lot of people agree with gut/poly over poly/gut. but it is personal preference. i felt i got less spin with poly/gut for the one time i had that setup. i ended up cutting them which was a waste but it had to be done. for me, gut/poly is preferred.
     
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  20. ferrytran

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    so do you have a lot of experience with the supra gut? did you ever have them break prematurely or during stringing? im excited to give it a try once it comes in.
     
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    Let me know how you like them. The price is great. You and I are in the same ballpark. Need to keep in touch. I'm going to go try all Biphase on one stick to compare softness, control, spin, durability, and power.
     
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  22. fortun8son

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    I haven't strung any up yet, but I'm looking forward to it.
    And, no , I'm not arguing.
    I'm just trying to understand why some find poly/gut a desirable combination.
    With something like Mamba, it can be economically feasable.
    Babolat can be pricey.
    Then again, some pay more per month for their cars than I do for housing. :)
     
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  23. ferrytran

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    even with a fullbed of a multi, i have tried x1 biphase and nxt tour, i have been breaking them in less than 5-6 hours of play. they last longer than a multi/poly setup though. to me, those multis feel the same for me.

    I also just ordered a set of pacific classic gut and looking to try those out in the mains as well.
     
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  24. ferrytran

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    i dont want to turn this into a mamba gut thread but i just received my set of gut from them and so far, im happy with their service. it took only 2 days from the order date to receive and shipping was free! and thats shipping from the east coast to the west coast which i would have expected to take much longer. but i still wont be able to judge the quality of the strings as i have to wait till i break the strings on my racket now. im hoping these gut plays just as good as wilson gut and last just as long.
     
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    Oh, come on... let's...

    :)
     
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    In with this crew.
     
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    Hehehe :twisted:
     
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    ok....
    i finally got to string the mamba supra strings. opened the package and they came with two half sets (they were coiled in two sets rather than being one piece). ive read around hearing that people say the strings come with a weird feel on them. they in fact do. i felt a sticky residue to them and they look drier than the wilson and babolat gut that i have experienced with. i strung these on the mains (hybrid) at 60lbs. everything went fine until the very end when i was tying the knot and then the strings snap!!!! i used my staring clamp to get a good grip and pulled the string to tighten the knot and it broke. so i noticed that on that set of strings, there was still enough strings that i could start all over and try again. again at 60 lbs and i was more gentle on the tie off in the end. success. i concluded that the strings can handle that high tension of 60lbs but you must be careful on tie off and not to pull at a sharp angle. also, the quality of the strings arent all good. lots of parts were knicked and started to split in between. in addition to that, they still didn't snap during stringing. i got a drop weight stringer. this is the first time i have ever broken any kind of strings. i have done numerous natural gut as well. luckily it broke at the end otherwise i wouldnt have been able to reuse the string. i barely made it with the strings i had left. i cant review about playability but that will come as soon as i hit the courts.
     
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    Maybe you should try Kevlar or get a racquet with a tighter, denser string pattern and more head light.
     
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    @ferrytran - Please contact me so we can get that set replaced.
     
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    I have visited with the guys at Mamba about different setups and the problems we face with distance trying to get rackets restrung.

    Very nice and knowledgeable folks there ! They have convinced me to try a gut/poly setup for the first time.

    I am excited to try a couple of Mamba setups shortly.
     
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  32. BlxTennis

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    I agree. I strung my supra at 58lbs main and Iontec(56) cross. I have the 16G version and a few area was tough to get through grommet. I had to really slowly push to get through the grommet. And when it does, I can see that the strand in that area starts to get loose. I didn't use any tools to pull the knots. I just hand pull it and didn't want to risk of breaking the string. Can't wait to play with it on the court next week.
     
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  33. ferrytran

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    i appreciate your concern. i was able to to use the rest of the set of the one that broke. i barely made it with the excess strings. i do hybrid setups and so i save the other half set for the future. if anything, i would like to try your premium version. you can contact me at ferrytran (at) yahoo.com
     
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  34. ferrytran

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    OK....HUGE UPDATE....
    after going to the courts, i open up my bag and was ready to use the racket with the mamba strings and i see that the strings snap where the crosses starts at the tie off. so i didnt even get to play with it and worse off, i wasted a half set of lux bb rough because it was strung in the crosses. because of that, i really wouldnt recommending mamba natural gut.
     
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  35. ferrytran

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    i kinda wanna bump this up so i get some opinions on here. so far,i contact mamba tennis about the half set that broke on me and i asked for a refund. kindly, they refunded me without having me to return the strings even after i insisted returning them. bad news is that i lost a half set of lux bb rough but i still have a good half set of mamba supra gut i got to keep that i hope doesnt break on me again after i string it again.

    my setup currently is pacific classic gut at 60lbs and lux bb rough 55lb. havent hit with it yet but the gut strings looks like it will do a good job. no sign of premature breaking.
     
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  36. fortun8son

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    Ok. Opinions on what, exactly?
    I have a few sets of Supra that I haven't strung yet.
    I will let y'all know how that goes when I do it.
     
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  37. ferrytran

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    so i got finally got to hit with the pacific classic gut x lux bb rough 60/55 and i must say that this is not my favorite setup. alot of pop from any gut/poly hybrid i have done. i still like champions choice but this this setups is much more efficient at its cost. so i guess i will be sticking with these strings now. but i might try some other guts in the future.
     
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  38. levy1

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    Rub candle wax on the string and that problem is gone!
     
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  39. Ronaldo

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    Tube the mains and do not weave the poly. No more sawing.
     
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