All These Americans made it to the main draw without qualifying on the men's side!

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  1. Harry_Wild

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    Ryan Harrison
    Jame Blake
    Donald Young

    Not sure about Bobby Reynolds nor Bobby Ginepri
     
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  2. Tony48

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    Don't they get wildcards or something?
     
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  3. MaiDee

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    What about Steve Johnson, Jack Sock?
     
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  4. jokinla

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    Johnson, Sock, Ginepri, Harrison, Blake, Young all got WC's.
     
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  5. jokinla

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    Reynolds must have won the wc playoff
     
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  6. MaiDee

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    Wild Cards:

    Ryan Harrison(USA)
    Steve Johnson(USA)
    Robby Ginepri(USA)
    Donald Young(USA)
    Marinko Matosevic(AUS)
    Jack Sock(USA)
    Bobby Reynolds(USA)
     
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    That isn't biased at all ;)
     
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  8. psYcon

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    They probably misread Matosevic's country as USA instead of AUS.
     
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  9. jackson vile

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    Why do they keep giving Donald anything?
     
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  10. jdubbs

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    He's top 100. Got to the semi's of Legg Mason. Beat Murray earlier in the year.

    He deserves it this year.
     
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  11. TopFH

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    I know this won't ever happen, but slams shouldn't be allowed to give wild cards to local players.
     
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    Why? Slams should be able to give their wild card to whomever they want. Of course they would want to give their own players a chance. Did anyone else(perhaps more deserving) even apply for a wildcard?
     
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  13. djokovic2008

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    He does deserve it this year but I agree that players should not get a wildcard to such a massive event. The points the get from a win or two will set them up for the whole year while some poor joe has to work damn hard to get half those points.
     
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  14. TenFanLA

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    That's why it's called the U.S. Open. If they had a major called Serbian Open or WimbleChina it would be even worse. Even teaching pros and 4.0 players (with heavy financial and political influence) would get WC's. :wink:
     
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  15. TopFH

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    I didn't know you had to apply...
     
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  16. jokinla

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    True, after he loses early AGAIN, and quickly returns to the 100's, this should put an end to this.
     
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  17. Bryan Swartz

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    He won't quickly return to the 100s. This is not a matter of opinion. If he loses every match he plays, he will not return to the 100s until, at the very soonest, after the AO in 2012.

    I think players like Young/Blake are those who are most deserving of WC, those who are ranked high enough for the main draw but weren't at the entry deadline.
     
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  18. Tshooter

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    "I know this won't ever happen, but slams shouldn't be allowed to give wild cards to local players."

    Tell it to both the fans and the CFO. It's primarily about entertainment and $$$. Unfair as that may be to a player slogging it out in the 100-200 range.

    To those on the why give gifts to Young. He's at that range where he would get consideration. He draws a large crowd. He gets a WC.
     
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  19. MaiDee

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    This is only the list of players with wild card entrance. Nothing else. No comments.
    Serbia and China has nothing to do with this.
    No need to be angry. Relax.
     
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  20. jokinla

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    If you are in your seventh year on tour and you STILL need a WC to get into the US Open, you aren't the most deserving, you are a joke. The USTA should move on to whoever is next in line, unfortunately they felt the need to give another one to DY which speaks to the state of American tennis and its complete lack of talent.
     
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  21. Bryan Swartz

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    I don't see how someone being in their 7th year has anything to do with it. A player isn't more or less deserving because of their age: they are so because of their accomplishments.
     
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    Blake didn't get a WC, he was in via direct acceptance since he was top 100 before the ranking cutoff (and still is).
     
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  23. Netzroller

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    Doesn't sound very fair to me. Tennis is an international sport with people from all over the world competing, thus there should be equal chances for everyone. The US can be very happy to have one of the 4 most important tournaments in their country, but they shouldn't take advantage of it...

    However, I don't know if there are other players who would have deserved a wild card more than these guys.
     
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  24. Dave M

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    It is quite a heavy American list there but most tournaments do it, I know Wimbledon a couple o f years ago started to spread theirs around more, for a while some of the majors used to have a reciprical deal going where they'd let the others nominate someone for a wildcard, not sure that happens anymore.(certainly don't think it was anything official)
    But it's their tournament and they have to do what they think will put the most bums on seats in the early rounds, i'd imagine a bunch of Americans on the outside courts will help that.
     
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    I didn't know I was angry. Thanks for letting me know. :confused:
     
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    Every slam does the same, heck even smaller events in places like Monte Carlo and Dubai give Wild Cards to locals. So of course US will give WCs to US players, except USTA and Tennis Australia have a reciprocal deal where 1 Aussie gets a USO WC and 1 American gets a AO wildcard, usually by way of a playoff.
     
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  27. MaiDee

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    The problem is ranking points (undeserved) which they get with wild card.
    For example: Johnson is 525 on ranking list, and will get 10 points in first round.
    Instead of 55 point (he has now), he will have 65, and he will be at 493 position on ranking list. He will improve his ranking position for 32 places without any contribution from his side (with chance to get award, like most improved player in a year).
    Ginepri: 115 points, 363 rankings. After wild card, 125 points, 345 rankings, etc.
    Bogomolov(USA) - Johnson(USA)
    Roddick(USA) - Russel(USA)
    Two American will be in second round - chance 100%
    Whats happen if, for example Johnson win only one mach against compatriot?
    He will have 100 points, and ranking place392.
    So he need only one win to change ranking place for 133 places: 525-392.
    Players at 206, 363, 525 place on ranking list don't deserved wild card.
    They got it. and it is OK, but they don't deserved it.
     
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  28. Virtua Tennis

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    If tournaments didn't give wild cards then there will be only 1 british player at wimbledon and 0 at aussie open.
     
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    Murray (#4 in world) and Possibly James Ward (probably has to qualify) at Aussie Open
     
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  30. jokinla

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    Please tell me one thing DY has "accomplished".
     
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    U.S. Open is suppose to highlight up and coming "U.S." tennis talent. Plus, you never know when the next John McEnroe, Serena or Venus Williams. Jimmy Connors, Andre Agassi or Pete Samprass will be found!

    But you kind of know when you find it; since they usually go deep into the draw the second or third time around.
     
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  32. Rob_C

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    Thats no longer true. WCs stopped getting pts for 1st rd losses yrs ago.
     
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  33. Rob_C

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    Dude, you gotta stop with the hate. While you're at it, please tell me one thing Denis Kudla has accomplished.
     
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    There is A LOT of ignorance in this thread! OMG
     
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  37. West Coast Ace

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    And your point is? 'Fair' is a 4 letter word. Funny you call the US out, but not the French, Aussies, or Brits.

    True. Tomic bailed on the AU qualifying (faked illness) and they still gave him a WC.

    While Sock's is technically a WC, he won his way in by winning the junior nationals. Whether that is deserving is up to individual opinion. I think it's great - but sure some non-US citizens won't agree.

    You could have a field day nitpicking the draw. Should Giraldo, who snubbed the summer hardcourt season to play the Euro clay events, get in?
     
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  38. BreakPoint

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    Why would Ryan Harrison need a wildcard? He's ranked #66 in the world. He's a direct entry.

    And why would Donald Young need a wildcard? He's ranked #84.

    I think you only need a wildcard or to qualify if you're ranked below #102 or somewhere around there.
     
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  39. West Coast Ace

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    I believe because the cutoff is (6?) weeks out.
     
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  40. Rob_C

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    Wow BP. As long as you've been around here I would've thought you would know the entry rules. Both Harrison & Young needed WCs because both of their ranking jumps came after the 6 wk entry cutoff deadline.
     
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  41. Rob_C

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    Guess what, DY won his 1st rd match. Bet it's killing you to have to wait at least till the 2nd rd to start back up with your anti DY rants, huh??
     
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  42. woodrow1029

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    LOL. That's funny. Because BP always actually pays attention to reality!
     
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  43. Bryan Swartz

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    He's ranked higher than the ranking cutoff for DA, which was my entire point -- if the deadline were today, he wouldn't even need a WC, which is exactly the kind of player who should get them in my opinion.

    Whether you want to judge it on that, main draw ATP wins, etc. he's achieved more than the other options being suggested to give the WC to.
     
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  44. jokinla

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    Oh no, I already congratulated him on beating that lucky loser, yes a guy who didn't qualify for the tournament, but luckily someone pulled out so he got to lose to DY, you da man DY.
     
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  45. jokinla

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    My point is that after all these years, and DY's less than appreciative attitude, they should invest in a new up a coming player, like DY was years ago. When he came in he wasn't always that next highest ranked American, but he got cards, now after years of losing, they should look to someone else, but as I've already stated, DY seems to still be their best option, which speaks to the sad state of American tennis.
     
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  46. jokinla

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    Well this is review, but this year he made a tour level quarter which was attained earlier in his career, than DY's. Also for your review, he hasn't been on tour/losing for years like DY, so yes it is his turn to have a little help, just as DY has had for years. Lastly, anymore I just reply when I read posts about how great DY is, which if you want to take that boat ride you can, but it's probably called the Titanic.
     
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  47. jokinla

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    And you also avoided answering the question, it's not unfair, since it was posted that he has accomplished something, I just want to know what that was, that isn't hate at all.
     
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    I think 6 weeks out is ridiculous. I mean the draw isn't done until a couple of days before the tournament starts. Why do they have the rankings cut-off 6 weeks ahead? I think 2 weeks ahead should be more than sufficient.
     
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  49. Rob_C

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    Really????

    Harrison's gotten into two slams as a LL this year, Wimby & the French Open, but I'm sure you'll say he earned his way into those tournaments, right??

    From what I've heard, Lacko bageled Nadal, and beat Querrey at San Jose this year. And I think he's been in the top 100 previously, not 100% sure on that. I'll have to check. But, if the above two are true, he has to be a solid player.

    Edit: Lacko was #60, October of last yr.
     
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  50. Rob_C

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    That question was never posed to me directly, if it was I'd have answered it. Anyways, here you go:

    2011 Accomplishments:

    Qualified at AO, IW, Miami, Eastbourne. 2nd yr in a row qualifiying at AO.

    Reached 3rd rd at IW, beating world #4, Murray, along the way.

    Reached the semis at Washington beating Bagdahtis & Melzer along the way.

    Posted a 3-0 H2H record against up & coming US hopeful, Denis Kudla.

    Currently 11-11 in tour level matches, I believe.
     
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