Almugro in the top 10? It can only mean one thing...

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  1. aphex

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    ...the itf/atp need to cut down the clay tournaments in half
    and replace them with indoor carpet/wood/superfast HC (faster than Paris).

    Seriously, what is Almugro doing in the top 10 and the FAR more talented Llodra @ 24???

    Tennis has a surface problem!
     
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  2. single_handed_champion

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    If Llodra is really so talented, how come he lost twice in a row to a rookie Raonic (even being bageled on clay :) )?
     
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    If Sampras is so talented, how come he lost to rookie Federer in Wimbledon?
     
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    llodra is 31 years old. I think it's astonishing that he is ranked that high.

    Still I'm a big fan of him and would like some indoor carpet tournaments.
     
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  5. Retra

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    ¿Indoor carpet surfaces? Those surfaces in that Llodra has a record of 10 victories and 17 defeats. Are your sure, dude? :-?
     
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  6. aphex

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    That's the beauty with S&Vers, age plays a far smaller part than claymugs.

    Brain is more important than legs.
     
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  7. Dilettante

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    That you hate Spaniards?

    We didn't need Almagro for that.
     
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  8. aphex

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    Actually, I've been to Spain 7-8 times.
    Your statement could not be further from the truth.
     
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  9. aphex

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    You have a link?
     
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    I think they should add a grass tournament or two right after the early hardcourt season before transitioning to clay.
     
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  11. Blade0324

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    I'm actually in somewhat disagreement here. I really don't like Almagro at all but I would not want to see any grass, carpet or fast HC surfaces added. I much prefer a slower surface that encourages longer point to grind it out from the baseline.
     
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    I find Monfils even worse, Mugro can at least play on clay.
     
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    Because Raonic is even more talented.
    Llodra is more talented than Almagro, but Almagro is still a good player on clay, because of the pace he has, but unfortunate to him He is too slow for HC.
    Llodra and Stepanek are the best serve&volley players in the ATP.
     
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  15. DjokerIsTheBest

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    hahahhaa, pwnedddddddddddd ! :)
     
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    My statement is based on what you usually write here on the forums. Your travels are not my concern and have nothing to do with it, my idea is still the same.
     
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  17. 10ACE

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    Oh wow you hold Raonic in high esteem huh? Almagro is a good player watched him play Querrey at the USopen- he sort of lost focus with the fans rallying Querrey- and he lost. More grass would be interesting Its just a tough surface for many to maintain. Carpet would be a good call- seems like Germany and Europe tournaments only though.

    Almagro does follow the surface heading right to Mexico or doughs Erica after USA hard- but if he can do it other can do it too and he does have to win in order to have his ranking.
     
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    It will hopefully be a short stay, don't worry Mugbistard.
     
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  19. aphex

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    Not really...but just because Becker won W @18yo in 85, it doesnt mean everyone else was useless.
    I was just explaining how his logic was wrong...
     
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  20. ananda

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    Dunno 'bout you fellers, but I like Magro's backhand. Stands up quite well, and he can hit some lasers with that stroke.
    What's more, nice to see another one-hander in the top ten !

    So what's the beef with the lad ? Is it that he's considered to be a "choker", or that he can't beat that kid with the 499 streak.
     
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    I agree, they should cut the clay season in half and replace it with hardcourts.
     
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    Your opinion is not of my concern.
     
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  23. aphex

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    lol...........
     
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    Oh wise one, will Nole win the FO?
     
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  25. Bartelby

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    So two months on clay in europe is too much, well without european clay tennis would be a rump sport.
     
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    That I do not know... but I'm sure Nadal won't be the one.
     
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    Soderking?
     
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    I enjoy longer grinding points as well, but I'm thinking in terms of balance. The hardcourt season is TOO long. Even when they go indoors, it's still primarily hardcourts that they're playing on.

    By adding another grasscourt tournament or two, this would hopefully give those players that thrive on that surface a little more leverage going into the claycourt season. It would also break up the monotony and predictability of first half of the season.
     
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  29. Bartelby

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    3 months hard
    2 months clay
    1 month grass

    6 months basically hard

    The first part of the season is well-balanced, the second is not.
     
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    Yes! Something that rewards flat hitting, slicing and a good net game!

    (Btw, I'm the biggest clay mug myself...)
     
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    Should be:

    4 months hard
    3 months clay
    2 months grass
    2 months indoor (carpet/wood etc...)
    1 month rest
     
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  32. cucio

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    I don't have anything specific against Almagro. Kudos to the guy, and I hope he can build up confidence and start to perform better. But when a player as mediocre and inconsistent as him makes the top 10, there is something wrong with the rest of the Tour.

    See his results in MS and GS. Sorry, but this doesn't speak "solid top 10" to me:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicolás_Almagro#Performance_timeline
     
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  33. Bartelby

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    3 months hard
    2 months clay
    1 month grass

    2 months hard

    seems immovable and australia's not going back to grass, but ...

    Sept/Oct: grass in southern hemisphere, indoor in euorpe, clay in south america, hard in the orient

    November: hardcourt in Paris and London
     
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  34. DjokerIsTheBest

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    So let it be written. So let it be done.
     
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    It means he is the player that has earned the most points except for 9 players.
     
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    I feel that currently we have a rather weak field outside the top 4, its just the stellar performance of the top 4 that makes everyone overlook that.

    I guess this reaffirms that up a bit.
     
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  37. Gemini

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    Actually...the 6 month period you mention as hard has a number of clay tournaments in it. There's a precedent of many of the Europeans/So. Americans going back to the dirt right after Wimbledon.

    Since Wimbledon isn't willing to move its dates far enough back in the calendar to accommodate more grass play before the big show, the easiest alternative I can see is to throw in a couple of grass events somewhere in the stretch right after Miami.
     
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  38. shadows

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    Almagro is a better player to have in the top 10 than Fish of Monfils.

    He's always had the talent to be up and around there, if he keeps his head on straight he could even stay near the top 8 for a while.

    But yeah, the tour has kind of fallen apart a bit in the last year or two.
     
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    ... except I never admitted I thought Sampras was talented. Sorry bro, cannot let you claim a tiny (and fraudulent) victory in order to gloss over the collapse of your original point.
     
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  40. Bartelby

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    There are a few clay courts sprinkled throughout the first half year, but the European clay season is not just clay and European grass in April? Just won't work. And Monte Carlo is the perfect beginning to European clay.



     
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  41. All-rounder

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    He still exists?? After that abysmal showing at last years final he'd be lucky to make the QF's.
     
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  42. mellowyellow

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    I agree about that backhand, and we would see more 1 handers if their were a few more fast tourneys. I would say that Llodra's record on indoor/carpet surface is not really a reliable statistic because of the time they have been played in. Their is no lead in to fast tourneys and the guys that play them are all good on that surface. You don't really see grinders in those tourneys at all anymore so you are playing the best of the best on that surface. I think if their was a real indoor carpet series that he would have flourished a bit more than his current record would indicate. He is kind of cought in "no mans land" for play style because of this fact.
     
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    Clearly you're clueless.

    Your opinion as to the merit of my position is utterly useless.
     
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    5 stars great thread.

    Almagro wins nothing but dirt ball tourniments where the 2nd best player is Dolgopodov lol. More grass, less dirt.
     
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    Never said anything about the European clay season, but talking about clay in general. At one point, there was probably more clay tournaments worldwide than hard. I'm pretty sure there's a shift towards hard but I'd bet there are still more clay tournaments at present.

    But you can bring in grass (indoors) for a tournament. It doesn't always have to be grown on-site just to have a tournament. It's about the change of surface. Monte Carlo may be the perfect beginning to the European clay..but there's a lot of hard and clay tourneys in general. I want the random grass tournament to break up the monotony.
     
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    The number of clays tournament has already been diminished too much.

    Seriously there are way too much hardcourts. Every clay tournament has to be protected and some others have to be created.

    By the way, Almagro is much better than LLodra.
     
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    Replace the entire Clay season with indoor carpet. Tear down Roland Garros and put up some low cost housing.
     
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  48. DRII

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    I don't have much of a problem with Almagro (except for his obvious Napoleon complex, who he uncanningly resembles)!

    He definitely has Beautiful back-hand!

    However, there should be more grass tournaments. Using today's grass - with its firmer bounce and more extended rallies...
     
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    Almagro's BH is beautiful, and he can handle high balls as well.
     
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    After reading the various characters on this forum, it seems to me that Suresh actually loves Roger a lot. His comments towards Roger come from a genuine desire to see Roger become the true GOAT.
     
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