ALTA "playing early" dilemma

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  1. spot

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    ALTA "playing early"/default dilemma

    This happened to a friend's team but I figure it could cause some interesting discussion. So this past week there were a ton of people out of town because of 4th of July travel. I'll skip over and combine some details and tell it first person to make it an easier read. (remember... this is not a team I am on)

    The opposing team said that they could only field 5 players for Saturday and asked to play lines 2 and 3 early. Our team said we would accommodate them and asked to play line 1 early as well which they agreed to and times were set for all 3 matches. Lines 2 and 3 got played tuesday night without incident and our team won both lines, the line 1 was scheduled for 8:45 Wednesday night. Then Wednesday morning the line 1 girl from the opposing team said that she could no longer play, and instead the match would have to be played the normal time on Saturday. Remember that lines 2 and 3 had already been played which makes it much more difficult to just slide someone into the line 1 spot.

    By ALTA rules- once you agree to play the match early and set the time, then you aren't allowed to take that back and technically the other team would have had to move someone else into that spot. But because the lines 2 and 3 had already been played the opposing captain said she had no women eligible to play line 1. My friend's team also had no guys on the roster eligible to play line 1 on Saturday so they would have to add someone in order to field a lineup themselves. The opposing team only knew about the issue of the day of the match and for ALTA someone has to be on the roster the night before in order for it to be legal so the opposing team couldn't just add a friend to field a legal lineup.

    So if you were in this situation as captain would you try and enforce the default at line 1? If you consent to pushing the match back to Saturday you have to add a guy to the roster to field a lineup and he would lose 100% of the time at line 1 and would be a completely non-competitive match. Our team is currently in second place while the other team is out of playoff contention. Keep in mind that by defaulting line 1 the other team would also be forced to default every line below that even if that's not what you are asking to have happen. And also keep in mind that by the letter of the rules a team defaulting all 5 lines in a week could be defaulted out for the season even though some other matches were played early.

    In addition to what you would do as captain, what would you do if you were the ALTA coordinator having to decide?
     
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    That's a d*ck move by the other captain, even when it's not a holiday week/end. I'd have a talk with the opposing captain and spell out the rules, then have them get someone else to play, or agree to a losing score (for the opposing team's line 1) so they don't get defaulted out of the whole season.

    EDIT - As coordinator, cancellation the day of means a no-show. Even the night before gives *a little* more leeway to find someone else to play.
     
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    Definitely should force them to default their line 1. Once they agreed to play it on Wednesday then that is it. It's their problem if they can't play it once they agree to it and their captain knows that.
     
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    Default them!!!
     
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    OK.... some more information. We couldn't get in touch with the coordinator from Wednesday until Friday and at that point we had to decide whether to add someone to the roster in order to field a line 1 in case there was some argument about whether it was a legal default since we couldn't get in touch with the coordinator. The coordinator finally got back to the captain Friday afternoon and told us to play the line and it would be known that it was disputed while they checked with the VP and the President on a resolution. So the line 1 did get played with the substitute and as expected the sub got annihilated (line 1 at AA is no joke and they faced a woman who was once ranked in the top 100 in the world in doubles)
     
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    And just like that- ALTA came down with a ruling. They said that even though the coordinator gave our team bad advice to play the match, that because the match was played they consider the default to be waived and that all matches stand. So they are saying that the other team did default line 1 but the only way to take the default would have been to disregard the coordinator telling them to play and risking being defaulted out for the season.
     
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    Yes, ALTA has an annoying habit of making rulings contradictory to their own rules, or refusing to define or clarify a rule.
     
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    you can say that again.....
     
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    They put the screws to this past Men's season, no thanks to a shiftless "friend..."
     
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