Alternative string needed to replace multifilament strings for my daughter

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  1. INTO10s

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    My 13 yo daughter currently plays with Technifibre black code string in the mains (48lbs, 17G) and Technifibre X -one biphase in the crosses (52lbs, 16G) this combination has worked great, she is a highly ranked player that hits the ball hard with a lot of topspin, has a full western grip, full court player, also likes to come to net often. The co-poly strings add durability while the multifilament strings soften the bed and provides some added touch. Has never had any issues with her arm using this hybrid combo. She plays 2-3 hrs a day, 5 days a week and plays tournaments usually twice a month. The problem now is that she is breaking the cross strings (x phase) every week and its getting very expensive even though I am the one stringing the racquets and this also requires a lot of my time to keep restringing. I am looking for an alternative string, probably a synthetic gut, that will provide the most similar play to the current multifilament string. I hesitate to make the change but economics require me do so. Any specific recommendations for alternate synthetic gut strings to replace the X-one biphase. Thanks in advance for any advice or recommendations
     
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  2. fgs

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    stay away from synguts - they do usually match the polys in durability but they take away quite a lot from the feel of the stringbed.

    try finding a cheaper multi to replace the x-1 biphase. i currently play with the mantis comfort synthetic (a multi in spite of the name), but durability is a little bit of an issue. i had for a certain while a rather good experience with the wilson sensation, which i played with kirschbaum competition mains. reasonable feel, reasonable durability and a reasonable price.

    there is a thread that provides really good infos on multis set up by 'mikeler' - you may want to do some reading there for inspiration.
     
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  3. mikeler

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    I've not tried them as crosses yet, but people on hear swear by Babolat NvY as a synthetic gut cross. If you want to stick with multis, I've had a great experience with the following ones as a full job in terms of durability and playability:

    1. Discho Microfibre 16
    2. Prince Premiere Attack 16
    3. Dunlop DNA 16

    I've tried Mantis Comfort Synthetic as a cross but it is too breakable for most. Genesis Thunder Blast would typically get me 12-15 hours as a cross with profiled polys and plays very well.

    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=352048
     
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    girl with western grip doesnt need any xtra feel... Try Prince syngut (any such as duraflex or premier attack or lightning xx)
     
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    Not sure what you mean "that a full western doesn"t need extra feel" but she often does switch her grip around very effectively to hit slice forehand down the line, drop shot and block returns plus she plays a lot of doubles and loves to be at the net so yes she does require strings with a good feel
     
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    ricki,
    any player who comes to the net more often needs in my opinion a little bit of "feel". of course, it is just my opinion.:)
     
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  7. INTO10s

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    what another multifilament that is more durable then the X-biphase
     
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  8. Jerry Seinfeld

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    Multis do not blend well with polys, period. A soft solid core syn gut will provide more durability, but she will eventually be blowing through that too. Try the Babolat N.vy...it's a nice option/interim step until you find yourself moving to a full poly setup.
     
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    Head RIP Control 16.


    Durability wise, synthetic guts can win out. Playability, no way. The additional softness and feel for certain players with a multi cross cannot be attained with a cheap synthetic gut.
     
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  10. rich s

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    TF E-Matrix ($4.99/set) would be a multi to investigate as a substitute for X-1.

    It will not be any more durable than X-1 but at one quarter the cost of X-1 it will help the economics of the situation.
     
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  11. Jerry Seinfeld

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    Respectfully disagree. The characteristics of the poly are dominant and using a multi or a soft solid core syn gut is hard to distinguish a difference in feel/playability. However the solid core syn guts offer greater support to the poly than multis and help to extend the playing life of the stringed.
     
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  12. klu375

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    There are some more durable multis but they will still not last in a hybrid with a shaped poly. You need to be prepared that she will be breaking polys soon.
    We used this
    http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/Forten_Synthetic_Gut_Sweet_16_String/descpageACFORTEN-F16.html
    but why not to try Techifibre syngut
    http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/Tec...tring_Reel_Black/descpageACTFUSA-KSP16BK.html
    You can find some cheaper poly too like MSV Focus Hex in reels.

    Just switch her to whatever is economically feasible for you - most girls are not very picky about strings. Give her a few combinations to try. Another idea is to get sponsored by the manufacturer and start getting strings for free or at discount.
     
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  13. corners

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    Blackcode mains/Ashaway Monogut ZX crosses. ZX is a new Zyex monofilament that is less stiff than any syngut but slippery like a poly. That slipperyness allows the mains to slide and snapback for good spin and also keep the interstring friction low so that both mains and crosses last longer. There is a thread on this string. Reports on poly mains/ZX crosses have been very positive. Should provide as good or better comfort than her current setup with significantly better durability. Multis, and x-one biphase in particular, are, in my opinion, the worst possible cross string. Multis are essentially made of glue holding together lots of very thin nylon strands. Biphase uses a polyurethane glue that is very sticky, so interstring friction is very high leading to lots of string abrasion. That abrasion will start to loosen and break the individual strands of nylon, which start to poke out, further increasing friction. Then, those strands start to catch on the main strings, pulling clumps of them out and you start getting fraying and then breakage. If you don't want to try ZX, I think Gosen OG Sheep Micro 18, which is about as stiff as an average multi, would be a good choice. OGSM is a syngut, or nylon monofilament, so it won't fray like a multi. It is a bit crisper than Biphase though so you'd want to drop the tension a tad. Just my two cents.
     
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    while syngut crosses do soften up the stringbed indeed, very similar to multis, and the best of them are quite playable during the first session, the performance in terms of touch and feel drops off a cliff after about 3 hours of playing. i have to admit that for the time being i have not yet played with babolat nvy as a cross, but a set is on the way too.

    while multis definitely don't have the durability of synguts, they do provide a much better support in that feel/touch-department for their entire stringlife.
    i would therefore suggest that the diameter of the poly mains be slightly reduced, one gauge lower for instance, like black code 1.18 and the multi can be 1.30, that would better match the durabilities of the two strings.

    i have also found that synguts usually lead to more notching on the mains than multis, which is not really important in respect to durability, but is rather important in spin production. the more heavily notched poly will slide less across the syngut and thus impart less spin on the ball as opposed to the multi which keeps up the spin level for a longer period of time.

    while i have not yet played the monogut zx as a cross, i can imagine this to be a really interesting combination. i have a set of 1.27mm (natural) but i will first test it in full bed nevertheless and that won't surely be earlier than mid april.
     
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  15. coloskier

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    By the time you are breaking polys the ploy is already dead anyway and needs to be replaced. A strong 2nd for RIP Control.
     
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  16. fuzz nation

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    A young slugger I coached through high school was happy with a similar hybrid that had Gosen OG Sheep Micro 16 in her crosses. Durability and feel were rather good for her, but now she's killin' it on a college team and has switched into a full bed of soft co-poly (she plays with the BLX Blade 98... in pink of course).

    That could be the way to go (keep the tension not-too-snug), but I haven't done any of this with my high school troops yet. My next sampling of a softer co-poly will probably be Tourna Poly Big Hitter Blue in 17 gauge - reels are rather affordable. I was using Gosen 17 ga. Polylon (crazy cheap!) for the few kids who wanted hybrids, but that's definitely a firm, crisp poly.

    Head RIP Control in 16 gauge should be a durable multi if you stay with that string type. I've also been impressed with the durability of Yonex 850 multi, but I haven't tried in a hybrid setup yet.
     
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  17. mikeler

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    I agree with FGS above that the main difference is in feel with multifilament crosses versus synthetic gut. A young girl will probably not notice much in the comfort department but those with aging tendons certainly do as well.
     
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    Finding a less expensive alternative for Blackcode could help as well.
     
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  19. Steve Huff

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    The most durable synthetic I've tried, and recommend to my customers, is Wilson Red Alert. It is really durable for a synthetic.
     
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