An Alpha or a Gamma machine?

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  1. GS

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    I'd like to buy a 6-point cranker with a floor stand. I've narrowed it down to an Alpha Axis Pro and a Gamma X-ST. Both are pretty similar. The Alpha comes with an instructional dvd. I've heard that Gamma's printed instructions are alittle lame.
    Which is the better buy, guys? Thanks in advance.
     
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    Alpha. Superior build.
     
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  3. rodrigoamaral

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    Alpha is better quality
     
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    Thanks so much. I'll get an Alpha!!
     
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    I'd take a Gamma 6004 over any similar offering that Alpha has. (upright/stand lockout machine, the x-st is a tabletop).

    To say that Alph's built quality is better is far from true. The only place Alpha outdoes Gamma is on the base clamps they offer on certain machines. ("switch action" vs. otherwise). This is true of Gamma 5003 and the table top machines. If they both offered switch action base clamps it would be no contest. BUT they don't.

    Two cents. Either machine will work just fine and provide years of service.
     
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  6. cajun_sparkle

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    ^ This is something you should take to heart.

    With that said, I have an axis pro and couldn't be happier. I started off with an Alpha blu-fx 20 years ago which is their discontinued 2 point stand up crank. Both were/are great machines. Solid construction, great features for the price, great support. Since I live a city away, they let me drive up to the warehouse to pick it up. They also run a kite shop there lol.
     
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  7. Stefanm

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    I'm in a similar boat, but with 2 additional details.
    1. I'll be stringing a fair number of Prince EXO racquets so the brake mechanism may be important to me

    2. I may be considering a Wise electronic head in a few years and was curious if sighs worked better with the Wise

    I'm sure either would work fine, but would be interested to hear some opinions from folks
     
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  8. jim e

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    I like having a good brake stringing Prince O Ports as it makes the job easy.
    I have strung my share of them over the last few years and never had an issue using the brake. The manuf. of my machine now has an updated one with an automatic brake to really make O Ports easy, but the brake I have works great and no boomerangs, or spacers or modified 50/50 stringing needed, as you string as normal and just put on brake. It is nice.
    I heard that the Wise really cannot tolerate those angled pulls with brake on without causing issues. If you really think of getting an electronic CP machine you may want to just get one designed as such from the beginning.
     
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  10. Stefanm

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    Great info. I really appreciate this board as a resource.
     
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  11. Irvin

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    I now have a stringer with a good break on it but still don't use the break method. My stringer has a fixed 6 point mount and the side supports badly obstruct the string path using the break. But using the 50/50 method those side supports never get in the way.
     
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  12. red rook

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    My Gamma has been like a tank through these years.
     
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    I just ordered a Gamma X2 so I hope they are built well!!
     
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  14. MixedMaster

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    Fed Ex delivered machine yesterday afternoon. I must say it's much sturdier than I thought it would be. Assembly was simple and strung my grandson's Prince last night. It went fairly well. Since my last machine had a starting clamp, it took me a few min. to get the starting down, but I think I've got it. I took my time and the string job came out fine. The Gamma clamps are great and easy to work with. If I get time this evening I'm going to re-string my Strike 100 with Gut/polly.
     
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  15. idono1301

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    That's great to hear! Congratulations haha

    I'm curious on how you adjusted your clamps. I always seem to make mine
    too tight so that dimples can be seen, or too loose that it slips.

    Thanks
     
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  16. gamerluke

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    I stopped looking at Alpha when I saw the braking systems on the Revo/Axis, neither of which is very good. I personally don't play with O-Port racquets, but if I'm paying $679++ for a machine, I don't want to think twice about how to string a certain frame. The better brake (and the diablo, which makes a lot of sense to me) made it a no-brainer to go with the Gamma, assuming the build quality on both brands is otherwise the same.

    P.S. I ordered the X-St -- I can add the stand later.
     
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    Wow... hadn't seen that thread. Not to get off topic but I think maybe diablo design could be improved so that it's not part of the gripper. If it's fixed to the metal mounting plate and does not move, It would be able to handle strings entering it at compound angles and the gripper, tension head only sees force in the X-axis. Probably thinking too much... It's a solution to a small or non-problem and introduces another (small tension loss due to friction)... thinking too much/little.
     
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    Bad idea the diablo on a CP machine is fixed so it does not spin which (according to Babolat) takes half the tension off the string in the gripper. I know that when I pull tension on strings like Babolat Xcel there is no ghosting on the string from the gripper when pulled at 66 lbs. There is ghosting from the clamps but not the gripper. Now on my older 6004 which was a crank machine the diablo rotated if it did not you tension would be way off.

    Long story short DON'T use a break to string a Prince with the Wise.

    EDIT: And if you ever thinking of upgrading to a Wise and you use a brake think again.
     
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  19. jim e

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    I have a CP machine with a large fixed diablo that does not spin, and it works just as it should. Its great on O Ports using the brake , as the string enters the linear plates straight, even at angled pulls.
    I do not see how you think its a bad idea that a CP has a fixed diablo.??On a CP machine it should not spin.
     
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  20. Irvin

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    So do I now Jim the brake on the Star5 works great but the top side supports get in the way. I don't think the diablo on a CP should not be fixed, on the contrary it should be. I though eelhc's idea of the diablo not moving with the gripper was a bad idea as the diablo that does not spin will lower the tension on the pulled string. His idea was to mount the fixed diablo so it did not move with the gripper on the Wise and therefore would not shear off the tension head.

    Herb Wise's first diablo was one that did spin like one on a Gamma 6004 crank machine and the diablo kept working itself loose at first until he figured it out.

    EDIT: Jim you may remember the thread a few years ago when we were discussing how diablos worked. There are two kinds the fixed and spinning and there is a definite advantage to each but that are not interchangeable from one machine to another.
     
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  21. MixedMaster

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    Adjusting the clamps was one of the things that took a few minuets. What I did was start loose and then tighten up when I could tell there was no slippage. I took my time as I'm going to string my Strike 100 with gut/polly and don't want to pinch the gut too much. I have some extra "older" clamps that I used to hold tension while I adjusted the new Gamma clamps.
     
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  22. idono1301

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    Oh okay thanks!

    I'll try and take more time testing it next time. It's funny, because by the time I get to the crosses, the clamps are adjusted fine. It just takes so long to get it adjusted before the mains.
     
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  23. MixedMaster

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    I had to re-adjust my clamps last night as I was putting the gut mains in my racket. Just took a couple of minuets since I had figured out most of it before. I just didn't want the clamps crimping the gut. I figured as long as it's not slipping it does not need to be too tight.
     
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