OK, I take it all back. All my talk this season about how the serves of 4.0 women are no big deal, that is. I take it back. 'Cause tonight I got totally schooled by two 4.0 women, one of whom used to be 4.5. They served better than the 3.5 dudes I have faced in mixed. They had good second serves. They followed their serves (and returns) to net. When you hit a good topspin dipper to them, they calmly hit a drop volley. And when you tried to lob them, they calmly fell back and *crushed* their overheads. I was aced out wide on the deuce court twice, and I rarely got a good return into play. My partner in the ad court was aced three times out wide, and neither of us could be considered slow or infirm. You know, there was a thread in the instruction forum asking whether the women in the videos were 4.0s. A lot of people dumped on 4.0 women in general. All I can say is that these two women I played tonight (both on the undefeated 4.0 team in our league) were good. Their strokes looked good. They played the net and poached. They didn't do endless one-up, one-back. My partner and I went down in flames, 6-2, 6-1. I am so proud of those three games we won. Making 4.0 is starting to look utterly unattainable if I need to play like these two to get there!