Anantak2k sold fakes (maybe unintentional, still resolving)

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  1. Fearsome Forehand

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    That subject (identifying counterfeit rackets) would make for an interesting thread in the Rackets Section. Especially if people have rackets they know are fakes compared side by side with a known genuine frame.

    The obvious things, weight, balance, beam width, string spacing and pattern, pallets, butt caps, flex rating, grommets, etc. Would be interesting to see the differences pointed out. Maybe we need an Official Counterfeit Racket Club thread. :)

    In this case, the "fake" may well prove to be an upgrade. However this buyer wanted a 27 inch frame and a plain ol' consumer frame so the pro stock version may not suit his needs. I suppose he could have taken a hack saw to the frame and amputated a 1/2" off the handle.
     
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  2. anantak2k

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    Buyer seems to have gone MIA...
     
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  3. Rjtennis

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    If he is going MIA he better at least change the title of the post. Your past record of transactions and how you handled this situation has more than proven you are an honest seller. The OP jumped the gun on this post considering you were in constant communication with him.
     
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  4. Fearsome Forehand

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    I guess he decided to keep them after all? Or, is he just sort of flaky and will reappear at some point? He seems pretty young, college kid, flaky is sort of par for the course. :)

    He has made himself look bad and you look great. Sort of ironic, no?
     
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  5. anantak2k

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    Yea. I sent him the shipping label 3 days ago.
    https://tools.usps.com/go/TrackConfirmAction?qtc_tLabels1=9405511699000802723469
    9405511699000802723469

    Still heard nothing from the buyer and they obviously haven't dropped it off at the post office as of now.
     
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  6. souledge

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    I would video you opening the package just to make sure he doesn't throw in some other rackets.
     
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  7. norcal

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    FF is TW's version of 4chan, lol.

    I assume the fakes are made in China? Seems weird to make molds for fakes then screw up the specs.
     
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  8. anantak2k

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    LMAO That's a rather good point!

    If they were trying to make a fake nblade why would it be 27.5 inches long instead of 27 :p
     
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  9. Fearsome Forehand

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    The "tells" of fakes is that they don't get stuff like weight, balance, flex, string pattern, beam width, string spacing, grommets, pallets, butt caps, graphics, foam and length correct.

    Counterfeiting is big business in the PRC. You have great counterfeiters who get most things right to the point where is can be hard to detect a fake and then you have lousy counterfeiters who make junk that would fool no one.

    I think there is a pretty good chance, 50/50 range, perhaps even greater, that the rackets in question are pro stock NBlades. There must be someone here who has some that we can compare to these. That is if the buyer (and the rackets) ever show up again which seems to be more and more unlikely as time goes on. Maybe he did get a hack saw. :)

    I'm glad I have rackets that don't have these sorts of issues (and that I know the provenance of the pro stock frames that I have.)
     
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  10. Fearsome Forehand

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    Package is tracking. Seller should have the rackets back on Monday or Tuesday.
     
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  11. spectastic

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    for the amount of effort they put into to the good fakes, they might as well get real jobs. The return would be multiples of whatever little sh* they're making now.

    anyways, if pro rackets are so different from stock ones, then isn't the whole industry guilty for false advertising? I think they might profit if they include pro stocks in their catalog every year for higher prices than the stock versions. those rackets would sell like mad
     
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  12. anantak2k

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    Yeah looks like the buyer has finally shipped it back. Strange that I haven not heard from them at all for 4 days now. I will make sure to record the opening of the package just in case.
     
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  13. Fuji

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    Bingo! :razz:

    Pretty much every top pro out there uses some version of pro stock racket. Whether it's a totally custom stick like Novak, or an older version with a new Paintjob, very rarely are they actually using the "new technology."

    That being said, I'm glad it looks like this might be resolved soon!

    -Fuji
     
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  14. spectastic

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    what do you mean
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    by the way, I checked out some pro racket specs just now, and Andy Murray's racket has a swing weight of 418.... if I leaded my racket to that spec, my 100 sq in racket would become a 98...
     
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  15. Fuji

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    The seller said it looks like the rackets have been shipped back to him, that's obviously a step in the right direction in my books. :)

    If you want to talk about pro stock / specs / modding it'd probably be best to message me so we don't clutter this thread with my two-bit knowledge. :razz:

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  16. anantak2k

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    Fuji,
    I would love to hear more of your two-bit knowledge. :)
    You wouldn't be cluttering the thread at all. Always a pleasure to learn new things :)
     
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  17. Fuji

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    Hahaha! Sure!

    Well with Andy's stick last I heard he decreased his SW from the low 400s to the top end 300s. (I believe around 365? I know some people have his stick) It was after his wrist injury and he obviously needed something a bit easier to swing around.

    If there are any other specific questions I'd be more then happy to help! :)

    -Fuji
     
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  18. spectastic

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    is the racket swingweight part of the reason why pros make their groundstrokes look so effortless? Yes, technique is involved, of course. But I seriously doubt they can pull it off with a stock version of their racket
     
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  19. Fuji

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    Well I'm not saying a super high SW will make you a pro, but it definitely aids in the process. If you have a high SW you are much more able to deal with harder shots, and it really helps increase torsional stability. Plus another benefit of the SW is like you said, the effortless plough through as long as you have "clean" technique without any hitches.

    For example, Berdych is reported of having a SW of 391-400. He arguably has some of the mechanically cleanest strokes on tour and he just annihilates the ball. Sure, with a SW of 330 he would still bagel pretty much any non top level player, but with that bump he is able to get the effortless power you speak of. :)

    -Fuji
     
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  20. anantak2k

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    UPDATE 9/18/2012

    I received the frames today. I have just issued the full refund to the buyer.
     
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  21. Fearsome Forehand

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    Good man.

    I hope Mike contacts Dire and has him change the title of this thread.
     
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  22. anantak2k

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    My paypal says that the refund is to be processed in 3 to 5 business days. I don't even know what that means (never saw that before, it has always been instant). That's rather strange but I am guessing that this is because the buyer only has their CC setup and have an unverified account.
     
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  23. Fearsome Forehand

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    That is normal for a PP refund. It takes a few days to clear. Why it is different than making a payment, who knows? PP works in mysterious ways. It doesn't really makes sense to me either.

    You would think they would yank the money from you and transfer it to his PP balance just as if you had sent him a payment. It does not work that way though. It seems to be similar to transferring money from PP to your bank account in terms of the timing. I suppose PP subsidizes the instant payment thing by fronting the money (so "instant payments" from bank accounts don't take 3 to 5 days to clear) but has no interest in doing so for a refund. Thus, there are no instant refunds unless they could somehow be funded by a PP balance. Not sure if PP would even allow a refunded to be funded by a PP balance.
     
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  24. anantak2k

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    Looks like the refund has gone through as of today.
     
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