Andre Agassi: Federer-Nadal era is ending

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    He made some good points, and I agree 100% about Murray's potential, most people are selling the scott way short these days.
     
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    If anyone has lost any ground, it is Djokovic. Nadal has lost some ground too, but that has been because of injuries. I am pretty sure he will be back in full flow next year.

    The jury is still out on Murray ... most refreshing change at the top is DelPo. It remains to be seen if he can keep up this level, or will drop a little like Djokovic did after this Aus Open win.
     
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    Maybe he's right in terms of *domination* but I still think they will carve up the majority of the major titles for a few years to come.

    French Open: Nadal is always going to be favourite for this, and if he goes out then Federer is favourite. The players Agassi mentions can't touch either of them on clay.

    Wimbledon: Federer and Nadal will be the two favourites for this for the next few years. One of the players Agassi mentions (probably Murray) may take one of the next four Wimbledons. Federer and Nadal will take the other four.

    Australian Open: The hard courts there are slow enough for Nadal to be a big threat, and fast enough for Federer to be a big threat. Djokovic and Murray may pick up one apiece in the next four years.

    US Open: This presents the best chances for the chasing pack, but I still think Federer has one more US Open title in him.

    Masters Shields: Rafa will consistently be the most successful Masters player each year due to his domination of the clay court season.

    My predictions for slams in the next four years:

    AO: 2 Nadal, 1 Djokovic, 1 Murray
    FO: 3 Nadal, 1 Federer
    W: 3 Nadal, 1 Federer
    USO: 1 Federer, 1 DelPo, 1 Murray, 1 Djokovic

    RF/RN: 11, The Rest: 5

    The biggest threat to this IMO is someone completely new bursting onto the scene, possibly a clay court specialist who can take down Rafa at Roland Garros.
     
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    Agassi's such a troll,saying Fed and Nadal are finished :).

    Maybe he's right,we'll see.I hope Novak wins another slam soon,Delpo made a great breakthrough as well.Murray's game while he's talented IMO isn't that suited for winning slams.
     
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    He's probably talking about their dominating the GS together .. They still won 3-3 and others 2 in 2008-09.
    He's right that the era is coming to an end from the duo point of view. Its difficult to see federer winning more grand slams post 2010 when he will be 29 and few months.

    Even though Murray is still the best bet, it is hard to see him being the dominant factor on any surface like Agassi is mentioning. I think its a pressure factor at work as he was expected to win at AO, USO and big home fav at Wimby as well. Once he wins one, i would expect him to win at least 1 a year for the next 3-4 years.
    It could be spread more evenly after 2010 perhaps if Nadal doesnt return fully fit in 2010.
    Remember it wasnt long ago we were debating if he could win all 4 GS this year after his great start to 2009...Things change very quickly
     
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    When things dry up, they can dry up fast.

    If someone said that after the end of '84 that McEnroe would never win another slam, that statement would have been met with disbelief.

    Also after Safin won the AO of '05 and we were told that he wouldn't win another tournament - of any kind - that would be hard to swallow as well.......
     
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    Roger will not be winning slams at 31/32 years of age, hence the reason I give him less slams. Maybe I should have made it 2:2 at Wimbledon and 4:0 at the French. Either way, my point is that I think they will win more slams than the rest of the field combined over the next four years.
     
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    So you think that the next 16 slams will be won by 5 players? Two years ago you never heard of DelPo...I would bet that of the next 16 slams...less than 10 will be won by these 5.

    I'm a huge Roger fan also.
     
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    Nadal winning 3 SW19?
    The USO is the toughest slam for him to win, but I think winning 1 USO is more plausible than winning 3 SW19.
     
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    The same disbelief for Wilander after 1988 and Hewitt after 2002. Suprisingly, they never won another slam.
     
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    I know!

    Murray winning a slam?

    Ridiculous
     
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    Agassi had some good points. Guess we'll just have to wait and see.
     
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    You just hate him dont you.:twisted:
     
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    I'm not going to make predictions about GS's in 2010 in this thread, but I don't agree with Agassi. In any case, this isn't a huge prediction because Federer is 28 and obviously not going to dominate, but that doesn't mean the next few years won't be major in terms of their rivalry. Especially at French Open and Wimbledon.

    If Del Potro falls off and Djokovic doesn't get it back, a new person will have to come in and start to take over, and I don't see that being Murray. I think he's a headcase.

    Del Potro has a good shot though. Very strong player
     
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    Some people really underrate Andy Murray. The guy can beat anyone, he proved that multiple times. He is also a multiple MS winner. Yes, his slams performences this year have not been great (for a top 3 standard), but I bet he wins a slam in 2010, maybe even the AO, maybe Wimbledon. He just has a bit more growing up to do and he's up there. I also see Djokovic finally gaining his confidence back and return being a threat at the slams, possibly making another final, but I don't see him winning any in 2010. I see Nadal winning the French, and Federer winning another one, perhaps Wimbly or US Open.

    Last but not least, I don't see DP winning the AO. I already predicted I don't see him winning 2 in a row at this point of his career. We are already seeing the signs of this with his recent losses.
     
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    With the slower grass (and with Roger looking more vulnerable on that surface) I's say Nadal goes into future Wimbledon's at least 50/50 with Roger, whose prime years are behind him.

    After the French, Wimbledon will probably be the easiest slam for Rafa to won.
     
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    That's why I said the biggest threat is someone new on the scene. Soderling/Monfils/Tsonga/Simon/Roddick et al. None of these are going to take slams. It will either be the five mentioned or someone new entirely, but Agassi can't be talking about someone new when he's on about the era of Rafa/Roger coming to an end.

    Regardless, I'd almost guarantee that Roger and Rafa win more slams in the next four years than DelPo, Novak and Andy.
     
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    Yeah, sure. Those guys combined won 1/4 GS with the other three going to Fed/Nadal.

    Agassi is getting a bit ahead of himself.
     
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    Man...Andy Murray gets soooooooo much praise from people, some of it deserved, some of it undeserved.

    I can't see Murray ever dominating the game. I think he's a slam winner, but I don't see him ever having a year like Fed had in 04, 06 or 07 or like Nadal's 2008. He's too susceptible to big offensive players and doesn't play well enough yet on clay to be a favorite there either.

    I just don't get this. Maybe when he wins a slam we can talk about his world domination...Until then, how about letting his tennis do the talking.
     
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    Before any era is declared "ending", heralding Andy Murray, Andy should be winning a share of the slams. One would be nice for starters. Del Potro and Djokovic have credentials worth mentioning too. In any case, I think Djokovic is the man and is about to prove it.
     
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    Agassi is afraid that Rafa and Fed will break his masters series record of 17 :oops:
     
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    Huge Agassi fan here, but Murray game isn't built for dominating. At best he'll be lucky to follow in Hewitt's footsteps.

    I expect to see Djokovic come back into form. I also expect to see Nadal regain form in 2010, but he must retool his game.
     
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    Roger/Nadal will inevitably break Andre’s record. I think that’s the only record that Agassi held besides being the only player to win 4 AO.
     
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    Many seem to underestimate Murray big time. He has the best backhand in the current game. He is alongside Nadal as the best returner on tour. His first serve has improved alot and is now a key weapon in winning cheap points. When he plays offensively his forehand hardly ever breaks down. Agassi is correct, Murray is for sure a multiple slam winnner.
     
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    Yeah if winning 2 slams in your career is considered multiple slam winner. :rolleyes:
     
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    If he even wins 1 at all.
     
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    Andy Murray is probably the most overrated player on this forum next to Marcelos Rios. Hell, Kafelnikov managed to win 2 slams (against solid players too; it's not like they were complete pushovers) despite his limited tools. People talk like Andy Murray is on the same level of talent as Federer and Nadal; that's simply not true.



    Andy Murray so far this year has lost to :


    1. Fernando Verdasco, a fragile headcase. Verdasco in fact did everything in his power to lose that particular match, and still managed to win because of Murray's passive play.

    2. Andy Roddick, who although is good, by no means is an immovable object that Andy Murray can't get past (if he is as good as he is hyped up to be).

    3. Fernando Gonzalez on clay; that's excusable, although Andy Murray still went in as a favorite in this match too based on previous results.

    4. Marian Cilic, where Murray went into full pusher mode and proceeded to get the living snot beat out of him.





    Who the hell tries the indoor season but indoor specialists? You think Andy Roddick wouldn't do well on indoor HCs with his serve and his type of game? Yet he has consistently done poorly on every indoor HC tournament he's ever played. Why? Because these events are all at the end of the season. To make the conclusion that Del Potro's recent losses during a portion of the season where nearly every top player goes into full tank mode / not care mode means anything, is really ignorant and dumb.
     
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    He should feel lucky if he has a career like Hewitt...
     
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    I see Murray winnning around 4 slams actually. He is capable of great things.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOB6MJvjH9U
     
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    Your assessment of those matches makes me chuckle. Verdasco was on fire and nothing Murray could of done. Roddick was also serving unsually well and Murray couldn't handle that. Murray going in as favorite against Gonzo is just a joke. Don't know where you pulled that out of. And lastly, Cilic was playing the best tennis of his life while Murray was playing with a wrist injury.
     
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    Retarded article. If anything the Murray hype machine is close to ending for good when people clue in that the guy isnt slam material.
     
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    Picking Nadal to win 3 more Wimbledons and 8 more total slams is simply ridiculous.
     
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    If the fate of the men's game is left to Murray, Djokovic and associated players....get ready for a major slump.
     
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    Nadal could already be past his prime with all his injury problems and his physical game style taking a toll and you are predicting him to win 8 more slams including 2 more hard court slams and 3 more Wimbledons!! Get off the crackpipe please.
     
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    Lets not be silly.
     
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    ROTFL what is silly about that. Do you really think he is ever going to be better or even as good as he was in 2008-early 2009? That is far more silly than anything at this point. Predicting Nadal to win 8 more slams makes about as much sense as predicting Safina to win 6 slams.
     
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    ROTFL!!!!

    This suits your post.
     
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    You fail miserably. Your Nadal predictions makes me laugh harder than I have in a long time.
     
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    Actually what he said made sense. Alot more sense than anything the poster he was quoting did.
     
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    I can see agassis point it think it already happened when murray ws nr2 for some weeks.

    the "dominance" of those two players who had spot 1 & 2 for I don't know, 5 years, is ending. hell that is SO long. no duo ever dominated the sport like they did. out of the last 24 GS they won together 20 of them. crazy if you think about it.
    they'll still be favorites in the GS, they will each win more tournaments (I would not bet money on whichone to be the more succesfull one), but the consistency isn't/won't be the same.
     
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    It's possible, anything is, but the successor? That's going out on a limb for real.
     
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    More likely there will be a transition period without a clear successor. Inevitably though, there will be one.

    Agassi is free to talk about how he feels about the current game and where it's headed. I don't know if I agree with him, mostly because I think too much is uncertain to predict more than a year in advance. It's always fun to speculate, isn't it?
     
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    It's easy to laugh now, but you have the luxury of knowing this thread will sink without a trace way before any of this can materialise. Unless Nadal's career finishes in the next three or four years he's likely to pick up another three or four French Open's at least.

    I'm sure people would have scoffed at predictions that Fed would win 11 slams in four years after his first Wimbledon. Nadal has won 6 slams in five years, and he still has the traditional prime period to go through. If anything, three more slams for Fed is the more unlikely prospect. The guy is 28 already.
     
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    The "consistency" is yet to be found in those hungry young wolves, who snatched a slam here & there but failed to keep the momentum going.

    Let's not forget that Fed already won 2 slams this year. Of course, pll are so used to see him win all the time that they announced "end of an era" when he lost the USO final.

    Nadal won the AO & was the hot favorite for the FO & Wimby, until injuries forced him out.

    That leaves little room for the rest.
     
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    Nadal and federer might not win a grand slam ever again.

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