Andre Agassi prep school allegation of racism

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  1. Sentinel

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    I self pleasured myself reading these two posts.
     
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    No, I simply said it does happen...so I wouldn't be surprised if that is the case here. I also said I don't think Agassi would intentionally do something like that. It is not useless. You have some here that don't think this actually goes on in 2012. They think because we have a Black president that all is well. Newsflash!!! You still have some jacked up people in the world and in this country. I never said it goes on "everywhere". I said it goes on and it does. I say when you find it, don't turn your head. Deal with it. We have obviously progressed a lot in this country and I don't think anyone would deny that.

     
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    Nah...when you live it you know the difference. When you don't you won't know the difference.

     
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    Hold on now...you really don't want to discuss Africa do you?lol As far as the stats go. I'll say this about that. If the ignorant Black folks that commit those crimes could go out and pick up 45 and 50 thousand dollar a year jobs because of nepotism and ****, they'd probably not be out messing people up. It's funny how you hear people all the time when someone black screws up or whatever, it's because of AA. So let me ask you this. How do ignorant White people get jobs, because they have them. I know a black dude that is married to a white girl with blonde hair. She's been fired off of like 4 jobs in the last 4 years(recession) making 14 and 15 bucks an hour. Many would say well that's okay but it's not like she's raking in a 100 grand....the thing is she doesn't even have a highschool diploma. I also know a Black man that had a 4 year degree from Ga tech that is working under a white man with no college degree at all. You won't ever find a situation where a white man a 4 year degree is working under a black man with a highschool diploma. You may say it here but I doubt it can be proven. No one wants to discuss that. So I say if the rules were the same for everyone, guess what...there would be a lot more white folks out here jumping on white and black folks. I don't justify it but the numbers are the way they are just as the number of Black men in jail are skewed for a reason. So we can go on all day about that. I still say this. When it is proven that someone is doing something that they have no business, then get rid of their @$$. If a black man is out here jumping on White folks then lock their @$$ up. I'll tell you why stats are the way they are, but you'll never hear me say...."let the poor black man off because the white man kept him down". No I'm an equal oppurtunity blaster. I say in 2012 there is no reason that people shouldn't be in school or educated. I say whoever is screwing up...get'em lock'em up and throw away the key. That goes for the CEO of Exxon if he's practicing racism and that goes for pookie in the hood if he's out here jumping on white folks because he's too damn sorry to start from the ground and work his way up. I don't play the racial lines. I call it like I see it. It is what it is.

     
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    <grabs a bag of popcorn and sits and waits for an answer as Jeapordy music plays in backround>

    Ahhh we're waiting for an answer Li0scc0. :)

     
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    Of course it goes on... sadly, but it's up to us, the ones who see beyond race, religion and sexual orientation, to do the right thing, or as Ghandi put it (i believe) to be the change you want to see!

    but to assume that it this case in particular was a matter of racism given the backgrounds of the school? it just sounds a bit farfetched!
     
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    So, your point is that the white farmers deserved to be massacred, and the genocide is OK because, perhaps, their ancestors were oppressors?
     
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    Yep, good post. If somebody complains they were fired because of sexism, racism etc... does it not occur to them why these supposedly prejudiced people hired them in the first place.
     
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    maybe they didn't hire them.....but they were when the person got there. but also some of you fail to realize there are levels of racism and sexism. a person can be hired just on their qualifications but based on stereotyping might be treated unfairly as compared to thers due to stereotypes. you see that happen to women often. statistics show women get paid less for the same work. if you want a better example just look at the academy awards.
     
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    show some proof and i might take you serious......
     
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    The Academy Awards is not a good example. Tom Cruise has never won an academy award and gets paid a lot more than actors who have. It's about box office value not "doing the same job".
     
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    So what you are saying is if you heard of cases in mostly black schools where teachers are indulging in racist practices, you wouldn't be apt to believe it for the simple reason that they wouldn't be there if they didn't want to be basically. You are basically eluding to the notion that Agassi is aiming to help these kids so he'd not have racism practiced in his organization. If that is what you are saying, I agree but to a certain point. I don't think everything that goes on Agassi is aware of until it gets to this point. I hope it's not true but I'm telling you things like this happen even in situations like this.


     
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    I didn't get that from her post. Let me ask you though. How long do you think this country would put up with people outside this country doing what happened in Africa? I'm just asking. What do you think would happen? Do you think that people in this country would try to sit down and have a cup of coffee and discuss them taking over control of this land and no blood get shed?

     
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    In regards to the academy awards, i was referencing it in regards to black actors. who gets roles but most of them are demeaning characters and they win awards for them. so there is a recognition of their acting ability by the awards they recieve, but not in the jobs they are hired for. and box office isn't all they go by either, if that was the case jennifer aniston would never work.

    this documentary speaks to my point-
    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xl...ancing-an-independent-black-cinema_shortfilms
     
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    So the genocide of whites in South Africa is not happening? I see.

    As for the government statistics, in the United States in 2005
    - 37,460 white females were sexually assaulted/raped by black men
    - less than 10 black females were sexually assaulted/raped by white men

    Let's convert this to daily statistics, shall we?

    - Over 100 white females are raped/assaulted DAILY by black men
    - less than 0.3 black females is sexually assaulted/raped by white men DAILY

    What this tells me, and any rational person reading this, is yes, racism DOES exist. Many (not all) black men are racist against white women given the preponderance of crimes victimizing whites.
     
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    Right or wrong, the white farmers exist in South Africa. Do they deserve to be murdered? Do peaceful blacks or Arabs in Europe deserve to be murdered because they are there uninvited? Do Palestinians or Israelis, depending on your perspective, deserve to be murdered because of their presence in Palestine/Israel?
     
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    I didn't say they deserved to be murdered. I asked you what do you think would happen here if the same thing happened. I guess my point is some are quick to point out how people are being murdered there. No one is addressing how that situation came to be in the first place. How did white farmers take control of a land where they are the minority? It seems like some want to address part of what's going on there but no one wants to talk about the entire story.

     
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    I think you may need to go back and see exactly what the def of racism is friend. People being murdered or raped has nothing Lets examine shall we. Below is the def of racism. I don't see anywhere in there where it says anything about murder.

    Furthermore, based on this def, can you tell me where Black people as a race has any power to set up a system that would allow them to set up a government, policy or system to impose these beliefs.


    a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.


    a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.

     
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    No, we haven't progressed much at all! Evolution is a slow process!
     
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    Racism can be any measure of racial discrimination in any context. Racial bigotry is racial hatred.
     
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    That is exactly what has happened in South Africa and Zimbabwe.
     
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    We all discriminate. I don't think there is any denying that. all of us has the power to descriminate, but only people in power have the ability to impse their beliefs. Just as an example. You ever heard of redlining? this is white bankds would keep blacks from moving into certain areas. When have you ever known blacks to have the power to do such a thing. Back in the day when Blacks couldn't go into certain parks, pools etc. That's imposing your beliefs as a race based on race. Now does that say all white folks are racist? No, infact, there were many whites that died during the civil right's movement that are left out of history for whatever reason. it took whites to put Barack in office. So the question is not are all white people racist, the question is what race has the power to impose their beliefs on another race. I think people today are better off because people with the old way of thinking are dying off and it's making for a much better place.

     
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    No, that was an uprising...pretty much like what you saw in South Central. Those people there are tired of being f'ked over and that is just the end result of a corrupt system. Can you imagine really what it would be like here for White people to out number blacks but Blacks be in control of everything and in all the decision making positions for the last 200 plus years? Sooner or later something is bound to jump off.
    I will say this. If Blacks were in control the same as whites have been, I don't see anything that would stop them from doing many of the same things to whites as whites have done to blacks through the years. The question right at this moment though is this. Do Blacks have the power in this country to to do whites what whites have done to blacks. The answer is clearly no. So the question of can Blacks be racist in "this" country? I say no. If they were given the same power would they be? I don't see anything that would lead me to bellieve that Blacks wouldn't be racist. That's why you need diversity.

     
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