Andre now admits separate amphetamine use

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  1. NamRanger

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    Yeah because Doctor Fuentes has reason to lie right?


    And we should just believe the Spanish anti-doping authorities right!? Because they would turn in their national hero Rafael Nadal right?
     
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    That is a pretty strong argument you make
     
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  3. NamRanger

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    What's pretty strong is your mancrush / obsession with Nadal.
     
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    So rather than going after the guy that is the most obviously linked to doping, we should go after players who have no suspicious findings about them?
     
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  5. namelessone

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    Actually the man himself,Fuentes,said he collaborated with some footballers and tennis players,not with Nadal specifically. We don't have the list so we don't know who is on it. The spanish authorities could have been withholding it since they have some famous footballers(way more popular than tennis in spain),not necessarily some famous tennis players. Nadal has been linked to fuentes because of a few french newspaper articles. There is nothing official linking him to this.

    But I'll go on and make the logical assumption that if Nadal was doping here,why shouldn't his DC buddies been doing the same? Like I said before Ferrer is more of a grinder than Nadal(runs just as much but doesn't win) and Verdasco has bigger muscles. They haven't been linked to anything because they aren't winning as big as Nadal. If the spanish have a concentrated effort to dope and conceal all their top athletes,why shouldn't the other top spanish players get some EPO in their system?
     
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  6. Anaconda

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    It's a good thing in reality.


    But it's very bad for his reputation.


    Maybe the ATP will start cracking down on everyone.
     
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    Agassi was naughty 12 years ago, but i forgive him after his charity has helped hundreds.

    At least Agassi SPENDS TIME with the children as oppose to Federer who goes see his charity at work once a year.
     
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    Are you guys idiots? We should feel sorry for Andre that his father was giving him drugs--he was a kid!! Morons...
     
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  9. settolove

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    Maybe...for about six months to a year, then they'll revert to type.
     
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    I wonder how many people know just how much amphetamine or other similar drugs go on in the junior and college circuits. Let me tell you something: in college tennis, drugs like amphetamine and modafinil + masking agents if there are tests are pretty damn popular, just as they are for studying...
     
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  11. NamRanger

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    Because neither guy has unbreakable stamina. Face it dude, Nadal's stamina is unbreakable. He is NEVER tired. You should just get over it and get ready to face the music within a few months or so, because it looks like the ATP is gonna have itself a boatload of scandals to deal with soon.
     
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  12. Anaconda

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    that's true.....


    do you think Nadal is doping??
     
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    Fed is never tired too....
     
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  14. Anaconda

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    federer conserves his energy....
     
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    At this rate, I won't even need to read the book.
     
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  16. Blinkism

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    And why isn't Federer a suspect for doping?

    Too many desperate people bitter about the course of things in the last 5 years.

    It's ok, it's funny to see, actually.
     
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    Well then it's obvious, without a doubt he's on the list .
     
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    His opponents are the ones doing the running. Most of them stand 5-10 feet behind the baseline but he is right on top of it.
     
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  19. edmondsm

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    So Nadal puts in more gym work then any ATP player ever? Because I can't think of another pro, past or present, that had Nadal's physique.
     
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  20. Chadwixx

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    Huge difference in their style of play and strokes. Nadal is a physical player, fed is smooth.

    Think hippo is being sarcastic ed, nadal doesnt lift weights.
     
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    really? so imagine Sampras as a SVyer, why was he sometimes exhausted in long matches?

    i mean... if people want to find reasons to accuse Nadal, the same can be done with Fed...and a lot of other players...
     
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    The man just had kids, you think he is going to be on the juice when he gets mirka pregnant? Only agassi would be that unthoughtful.
     
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  23. Blinkism

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    I don't think anyone is on steroids unless I have proof, but I think it's completely biased and unfair to single out one player...

    We all know why that certain player is singled out, though.

    Too many bitter people.
     
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  24. namelessone

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    Well "dude",then you don't watch Nadal nearly enough. Nadal was spent in chennai,just ask youzhny,and in the year in which his doping was the greatest(since he had the most success),in 2008. Or go see USO where Nadal was beat(even resting on his racket a few times) in the semi with Murray,even though that semi took place over 2 days and Nadal had time to rest. Or even Madrid 09',when Nadal wasn't exactly fresh after his semi with Djoker. Or if you want to go to the beginning of 09',what about AO when Nadal,according to his own statements,started to cramp at the end of the 4th set in the final and he sat in a chair in the moments before the award ceremony and didn't even get up to shake hands with the ozzie legends. Not to mention the fact that he was dizzy from the effort afterwards,again,according to his own statements. But he was probably faking in those moments just so we would think that he was tired.

    Nadal is a guy who pushes his body until it breaks. That's the way he plays. Sometimes he tires,sometimes he is fresh. But he will definitely push himself more when there is a bigger prize on the table. In chennai 08' he got bageled and breadsticked after a marathon semi with moya. In Madrid 09' he got beat after a lengthy semi with djoker. However,in AO he pulled through in the final even though he had a killer semifinal with verdasco. So I'm guessing Nadal only uses in GS's or something like that.

    I have "faced it" as you put it since 2004. Every year passes by and somehow Nadal evades the testers and the ATP covers up for him time and time again. I will keep on waiting it seems. In the meantime I would rather just watch some tennis then wait for doping scandals to come out. Seems more enjoyable somehow.
     
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  25. namelessone

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    McEnroe was smooth and he took steroids.
     
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  26. NamRanger

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    namelessone is just angry because he knows Nadal is going to get caught soon enough. Now he's just trying to deflect the attention towards Roger Federer.
     
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  27. Enlightened Coelacanth

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    But didn't Agassi take the drugs himself?
    That's ultimately where the buck has to stop. And it's cast a self made pall over his own career now.
     
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  28. namelessone

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    Do I write like an angry person? And what does Federer have to do with the discussion at hand? Seems like you are running out of arguments,even though you had few to begin with. Like I said before,if the ATP was covering Nadal up for 5 years and counting,what's to stop them from doing so in the next few years? Media pressure? That's a good laugh.

    What are you and the drakulie gang waiting for? As far as I can tell from your posts Nadal is covered. The ATP is covering for him,WADA's hands are pretty much tied and the spanish government won't release that list. What's Nadal got to worry about,right?

    You wait,in the meantime I'll stick with tennis.
     
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    lol. :) namranger is excellent at ignoring all the evidence that doesn't support his "theories". A master one might say.

    He zones in on nonsense to "support" his "case" too. My favorite was when he had those two pictures of nadal's arms up from a couple of years apart, supposedly showing that nadal uses steroids. Except IIRC one of the pictures showed a left arm and the other a right arm and then you couldn't even seen anything because one of them was covered up and the other one wasn't. PROOF! PROOF! :)
     
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    You do write like an angry person in fact, because you have posted a fair amount of posts defending Nadal like he is a saint, and now that there is evidence to show in fact that doping does exist (and by the looks of it, alot of players do it and get away with it easily), you try and deflect the attention away from Nadal, by saying that anyone else could be doping too, including Verdasco and Ferrer (despite the fact that no man in tennis is even close to fit as Nadal). Heck, you and many other Nadal fans even mentioned that Federer could be doping too, which is another form of trying to deflect the attention away from Nadal.



    Nadal will not be covered very soon. Alot of MLB players thought they were covered until Jose Canseco decided to market his book around the use of steroids in MLB. He did it for the wrong reasons, which was to make money, however he shed alot of light on the steroid issue in baseball. Right now, it appears tennis is about to go through what the MLB has gone through (Agassi = Jose Canseco). And I sure hope that your favorite player Nadal doesn't get caught, because if he does, you and the rest of the Nadal gang are going to be in for a wild ride.
     
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    I'm just waiting until Nadal gets busted. We'll see who has the last laugh.
     
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    Who's to say he isn't? I'm sure someone could come up with a plausible argument for how he is using either HGH or EPO or some other form of blood doping.
     
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    There is no evidence that even remotely links Federer to doping (unless you count the L.A. times article).
     
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  34. bolo

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    Right now nadal has just as much chance of using as federer or some other random pro.

    If nadal is using i and many other tennis fans will be sad, but it's good to you know you will be busting a gut Nam!
     
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  35. namelessone

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    Man,you are a riot. So "defending" Nadal with arguments is being angry. My tone has been pretty neutral because I don't believe in saints in sports,it's you who have been overly aggressive at Nadal,even though you have only circumstantial evidence at best. I have left open the possibility of Nadal doping whereas you have condemned him from the get-go,even without any real evidence.

    You and "the gang" need to settle on what Nadal uses,when he uses,who covers for him,why is he sometimes tired(as I have pointed out in that paragraph in which you have willingly ignored) and when has he been "suspended"(surely 09' wasn't the first year he got caught,I mean how much can Nadal's drugs vary,right?). Your "opinions" are way too diverse. From what I have heard from you Nadal was doping to increase his muscle mass, doping to improve endurance,other people were theorising that the spanish players went out en-masse in RG 09' because there was very strict testing,yet other nadal-is-doping posters claim only nadal was on fuentes list and not the rest of the spanish players(if the spanish government is covering up for tennis players I don't think Nadal is the only high profile tennis player on that list).

    Well,yes Federer could be doping too. I know it's hard for you to understand since you clearly aren't biased but Federer is also almost never tired,even in 5 setters.If McEnroe used,Federer could have also used. Unlikely but one can never rule out anyone. Oh,BTW,Nadal criticized the ATP for covering up for Aggassi the other day. Probably another publicity stunt by Nadal,right? I say,the guys has balls,taunting the ATP like that even though they have dirt on Nadal according to you.

    Dam,I just love the way how Nadal fakes everything. He fakes being polite,fakes being nice to fed,fakes injuries. When will he ever stop?

    If Nadal is a proven doper my life won't change. He is my favourite player for 5 years now and if he doped then he is another sporting dissapointment for me,but it doesn't affect me in the long run. Professional sports haven't been clean for quite some time and tennis makes no exception. But if I spent every waking hour figuring out who is doping and who isn't I won't be able to enjoy tennis. It's up to other people to figure that out. I am just a fan and I don't know what's going on behind the scenes and you're a fool if you think you do(without knowing people inside the ATP,not just the rumour mill BS).
     
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    What would Nadal get busted for ? Being too nice to his fans across the world ? or providing the shoulder to cry on for Roger Federer ?:confused:
     
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    Nadal probably faked that to gain sympathy around the world. And uncle tony told him to confort fed :):):)
     
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  38. TheTruth

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    Who did? Besides you know who.
     
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  39. TheTruth

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    Of course the ATP covers things up, but do you really think they would cover up for Nadal? I don't. I do think there's someone else they would cover up for though. They usually cover up for their fair-haired ones, the ones they love.
     
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    I agree. They slaughtered those other guys and turned a blind eye to Agassi for years.
     
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    Nadal, Federer, Djokovic are players for which the ATP would bust their ass covering up for. The pretty bring in all the money and attention.
     
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    NamRanger, the sad truth is you're the one who's obsessed with Nadal! You must think about him every day. We all write on threads that have nothing to do with Nadal, but then next thing we know you pop up over and over again in every single thread bringing Nadal into virtually every possible discussion. I'm new to this site, and already I can see that you're clearly obsessed with the guy!

    Hey, I love Rafa, too - he's my absolute favorite - so I guess I understand your fascination with him. But for all your attempts to hide your leanings or portray them as something else altogether, rest assured you're way too transparent. And the more you write sneering things about him and continue to bring his name up in every single thread, the more obvious your obsession. I actually think you don't know all that much about anything else in tennis. Have you ever watched Federer or Sampras or Agassi or MacEnroe? Do you know or have any opinions about anyone or anything other than Nadal? Can you contribute to any thread on this site for any period of time without bringing up his name?
     
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    Speaking of deflection, refer to the thread title. You sir are the one who has hijacked this thread to take attention away from the real issue--Agassi's drug use.

    And it is ridiculous to try to throw dirt on Nadal and ignore Federer's own case. Never spent any time off the tour due to injury, just rest? In his long career.

    While some may point to a "flawless" execution, there are a long list of smooth athletes who get injured. Haas, Malisse, Sampras, Tsonga, etc.

    Now, can we discuss the actual thread?
     
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    Especially after being warned from a trusted source. Makes no sense.
     
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    Dude the truth is no one here has anything else to talk about this time of year because there is only so much to discuss on this issue so they fall back on trusted ideas of contention like "Nadal on roids!"
     
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    Very well put! And no, you don't sound angry at all. A very reasonable poster, I think.
     
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    I disagree on Nadal and Djokovic.
     
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  48. ninman

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    Yeah you're right, they aren't going to cover up one of the most popular players in the game today, and Federer's only true rival. Imagine he gets busted back in 2005 and Federer goes on a wins everything on every surface for the next 3 or 4 years. You take away Nadal and Federer would probably have won 17 of the last 19 slams, including back to back calendar slams.

    People wonder why we're suspicious. Maybe it's because Nadal is like the 3rd player in 60 years NOT to defend his Wimbledon title citing some knee injury, that he picked up where exactly? He was perfectly fine during RG, then after he lost he's crying "it's my knees", when in reality he probably got a positive test and the ATP just told him if he sat out for a few months they'd let it go.
     
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  49. TheTruth

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    Nadal and Djokovic are not the media's darlings. They wouldn't do them any favors in my opinion. Busting Nadal would further strengthen Federer's legacy, if you ask me. Then, they could say Fed was so unstoppable drugs had to be used to gain an advantage over him. Would they do it? In a heartbeat!

    The rest of your post I'm not responding to because it's been proven by posters here on the board to be shallow, ridiculous, and based solely on hate.
     
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  50. ninman

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    Yeah, you're right, it wouldn't look bad at all if the 4 time RG champion actually turned out to have been juicing all these years.
     

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