Andre now admits separate amphetamine use

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  1. LiveForever

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    LOL! absolutely not. If the world found out that someone like Nadal is doping, oh boy. Tennis will enter the dark ages. The amount of negative attention the sport would receive will be destructive. ATP would go out of their way to cover up for Nadal
     
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    You don't get it--he was 15. I'll repeat: 15 years old. Not old enough to drive a car. The equivalent of a 9th grader.

    His father was pushing him to do it.

    Are we going to condemn him for what he did when was 15?

    P.S. His father sounds like a lunatic, who apparently threatened drivers with guns and and axes. Would you like to say no to a father like that?
     
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    I could say the same thing about your hero, Federer. He's been sitting out for a few tournaments lately, too. He's back now in Basel, but that's suspicious - hmm, isn't that town full of political leadership capable of pulling some serious strings for Federer?..so telling, I'd say. Yep, it's clear there's conspiracy in the air, some kind of right-string conspiracy, in fact...
     
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    Uh yeah, because small ATP 500 tournaments hold the same amount of prestige that Wimbledon, the greatest, most historic, and the ultimate championship in the game of tennis. Ok.
     
  5. NamRanger

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    I have contributed much to this board that doesn't involve Nadal, thanks.
     
  6. TheTruth

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    What?

    The issue is if the ATP would cover up for him/them. I don't think so. Thought I outlined my feelings on the issue pretty well.

    Again, the only people I've heard throwing suspicion on Nadal has been the small group of posters on this board.

    Hey! Wait a minute. Your response:confused:Where did that come from, and what does it address?
     
  7. Outbeyond

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    weak response, NamRanger...very weak.

    By the way, those of you trying to follow the actual thread here need to move on now. I'm on a posting challenge with our friend NamRanger who's a troll par excel-laaance...so you need to read and contribute to other threads if you want to be in a real discussion about real issues - and I'll try to keep NamRanger occupied over here!! LOL
     
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    You DO realise that Federer has never missed a Grand Slam because of injury even once in his whole career don't you? The last time Federer wasn't in the main draw of a GS was the 1999 US Open when he failed to qualify. He has also only once withdrawn for a tournament after it has started, and that was Paris last year, and NEVER retired from a match.

    He also did NOT state he was injured, he said that he wanted to rest some more, probably spend some more time with his family than taking a 6000 mile trip to Tokyo and Shanghai for a few weeks. Whereas Basel is where he lives.
     
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    Well if the ATP covered up for Agassi, I don't find it too much of a stretch to think they would cover up for Nadal.
     
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    There is no need to keep me occupied. That's just feeding me attention. Those who feed the trolls on purpose are worse than the trolls themselves.
     
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    according to some people here, Nadal's massive reputation in the tennis world makes no difference. The ATP wont cover up for nadal because they are all a bunch of *******s that are upset that Nadal wins against Federer. :lol: My ass. Nadal getting caught would be one of the worst things possible for the ATP. ATP will definitely sweep it under the rug if Nadal ever did such a thing.
     
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    Expect the ATP already covered for Agassi and several other people, that's the point. So we DO know the ATP covers up for top stars that are caught doping to try and preserve the image of the sport. It is not beyond the realms of reality that Nadal got a bad drug test, and missed Wimbledon to avoid further testing.

    This also given the fact that in 2007 he played the US Open with a knee injury, but won't defend his Wimbledon title with a much smaller or no injury. We're talking about apparently the greatest fighter in the sport, well people obsessed with winning will do anything for an edge, especially if they are trying to compete with the greatest player in the history of the sport.
     
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    No, The Great Fed did not state he was injured, for sure. He's much too smart for that, much too wily. He no doubt knew the injury excuse was over-the-top lately, so he quickly whipped up some tears about family time and such. We all fell for it...now I wonder...
     
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    This isn't the first time he's taken some time off from tennis. Like in 2005 he skipped a few tournaments after Wimbledon to take a little breather.
     
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    No, never. The trolls are themselves the true masters of trollery. And you, my friend, are THE master of it! The Grand Pooh-Bah.
     
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    See how silly this looks?

    This line of reasoning will get us nowhere.

    The thread is about Agassi, not Nadal or Federer.

    Many of the posts here appear to be thinly veiled attempts to bad talk Nadal.

    I'm out of this thread (for now) unless you guys a. bring something new to the table, or b. address the actual thread.
     
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    He was probably sniffing glue then...who knew??
     
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    No question about it, TheTruth, you gotta move on. [Either stay here and play with the trollery or find yourself a real thread worth your time!]
     
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    No other player is doing anything suspicious like skipping out on the biggest tournament in the sport while defending champion, citing a "knee injury" that he picked god knows where, because it wasn't during RG.
     
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    What??? :shock: you got a source?
     
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    You don't think The Fed's behavior is the least bit suspicious? He loses the Open, tells the world he's OK with it, sits out the next bunch of tournaments supposedly for "family," and you're convinced he's not doing drugs? C'mon, ninman, c'mon...
     
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    Wow, that was really bad
     
  23. Outbeyond

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    I'm having fun now (LOL)
     
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    I sure hope not!!!! :-|
     
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    Yeah,God knows where,nevermind the fact that he overplayed,playing 3 tournaments with pain since MC. What you and the rest of the squad don't seem to know is that Nadal has tendinitis in both knees,something you can live with IF you manage it. Nadal didn't and he paid the price for it. Once your knees "overheat" so to speak,the ONLY treatment is rest. I don't know if he "picked it up" during Madrid or RG but the pain was too big after RG. Nadal took almost 3 weeks off to rest for WB,missing queens just to cool off his knees but after playing those exo's he knew he couldn't last 2 weeks on those knees so he did the smart thing and quit. You and the nadal-is-doping squad act like he never missed a slam due to injury. He missed RG 04' due to an ankle injury(but it was probably just a cover-up for him doping at the time) and AO 06'.

    Knees don't know what tournament you are missing. When they are pushed enough they will give in. Nadal started to give way in 08' around USO and he didn't look great in the semi with murray. After USO,a few tournaments later,he called it quits for the rest of the year in paris because of tendinitis missing 2 VERY IMPORTANT tournament,TMC and the DC final. And guess what,he took 2 months off,just like in this rest period.

    Like I said,once you overplay,your knees will sideline. There is no "cure" for tendinitis flare-ups other than rest. Talk to people with tendinitis in different joints and you will see how painful it can be,even more painful with Nadal's style.
     
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    A drug addict? Do you know how many people have tried recreational drugs? It's a non-issue.
     
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    The whole discussion is getting out of hand. Stop for a second and see things for what they are. As far as we know Agassi took amphetamine that was given to him by his father on one occasion in his youth. And then that other time with the crystal meth that didnt really have anything to do with doping. Were not talking about someone or at least theres nothing to suggest that he was doping on a regular basis. And to you who think Nadal is taking steroids. You obviously know nothing about weight training and physiqes. You think that because someone looks muscular that must mean he works out a lot with weights and probably takes steroids. Nadal looks the way he does because of hes genetics. Muscles is many times an illusion beeing created by the fact that someone has genetics that makes them appear a certain way. If you would see some bodybuilders off stage in clothes youd think they looked really small, but when they are up there on stage they look huge. I hope that if Nadal ever hears any of this he smiles, people used to think i took steroids to, and i enjoyed every second of it cause i knew i didnt but obviously i must have impressed people a lot cause they thought i was doping. So keep hoping for youre bans and evidence of Rafas doping all you want......ITS NEVER GONE HAPPEN!
     
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    Common practice amongst certain juniors.
     
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    At RG 09, Soderling was MIA for a drug test....hmmmmmm...interesting. He changed hotel rooms and did not inform the powers that be. In a case like this....surely they could find him at the tennis courts...don't you think. I think it is very strange ...are the testing procedures so bureaucratic that if you miss your time...you can't be tested until you next "appointment"? :wink:
     
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    Agassi cannot make or break tennis. He's not that significant in the grand scheme of things. Moreover, tennis is suffering for a host of other reasons, which have nothing to do with Agassi's status as a drug addict.
     
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    I honestly don't believe Federer is doping. He seems to have quite a good nature and respects the rules. I dislike him but the reason he dominates the field is because he is just super talented and hardworking.

    I'm torn with Nadal though. Not because of posters but just because of interviews. He says he doesn't go to the gym - yep, he could be naturally strong but on the other hand it might be through the use of illegal substances.

    Fact is, now that Agassi has talked about his bad habbits, i wouldn't be surprised at anyone doping now.......
     
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    If he would be using steroids, why would he admit that he doesn't go to the gym? Doesn't he know that this would lead to suspicions? If I were on steroids, I surely would say that I got my muscles from gym.
    He may be naive, or simply HONEST.
     
  34. Anaconda

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    I wouldn't say i got my muscles from the gym. Because Anyone knows that you need to take the steroids work out to grow these muscles.
     
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    Not anybody. Just you and others that don't like him. If he's on steroids, then 90 % of the ATP and big part of the WTA is too.
     
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    I hope you're being sarcastic, if not then it's clear you don't have children. The birth of children kinda shifts priorities. IMO, Federer's year was made by winning the French and Wimbledon back to back. Had he also won in Australia, he might have been unhappy about the US Open loss. But, since he's won it 5 times straight, made the finals for the 6th, and had twins, I think his year was pretty much OK by him.



    I'm taken back to Nixon/Watergate and the Washington Post's coinage of a new phrase, "non-denial denial". Reading this, the good doctor says that he's worked with tennis players and the names simply haven't come out.

    The Spanish authority comes back and says that no tennis players are under investigation. He goes on to be clear that Rafael Nada is not under investigation.

    The two things have zero to do with each other. The doctor says that there are "names" which haven't come out, some of whom are tennis players. The Spanish authorities say they are not investigating tennis players. Why? Is it because they have no names? If a name were to come from the good Doctor, would they investigate?

    No Names equal No Investigation


    It is also painfully clear that the ATP's only interest in this is money. They are not going to suspend a top earner for the tour due to drug use. If Agassi can simply jot a note down on a piece of legal paper and get out of a meth test, well that's proof to me that the ATP is not serious about their drug policies.

    The cases involving Puerta and Canas do nothing but prove it to me as both were classified more as journeymen players than marquee players.

    The recent case with Gasquet, whose best supporter was Nadal, solidifies it even more. He tested positive for cocaine after a kiss? Yeah, right...

    The scuttlebut around the tour is that Nadal has been doping. Likewise, Federer has always been above reproach. He has always been circumspect about his scheduling and peaked when he needed to.

    Would it surprise me if Nadal had been using and got caught, as I've heard, in Madrid? No. The only plausible excuse for him missing Wimbledon, other than doping, in my view is that he was so traumatized by his loss at Roland Garros that he bagged Wimbledon.

    But, his behavior up until the start of Wimbledon is in contradiction to that as he played a couple of exos. In neither of those exos was he taped or did he complain about his tenodinits.

    I also find it disingenuous at best that he practiced while he was recovering from tendonitis. Darren Cahill remarked that he had the exact same injury as Nadal and it ended his career. More smoke.

    Add to that the fact that Nadal hasn't won on tour since, and the evidence is very much in favor of a traumatic turn of events. I can only then surmise that Nadal can't take a bite out of a trophy unless he has some juice to wash it down.
     
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    Don't worry Rabbit, I'm sure the Nadal fans will jump all over you for using logic.
     
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    I don't mind Nadal. I'm just saying that i'm torn to whether the guy is doping.

    How are 90% doping if Nadal is doping, elabrate please.
     
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    You keep bringing up McEnroe.

    Although he has confessed to having used recreational drugs in the past, like cocaine I believe, he has never admitted to using anabolic steroids.

    Rumors about his steroid use is a complete misunderstanding.

    One time during broadcast, McEnroe casually commented that he was given steroids for an injury and that this was strong stuff usually given to horses. And a lot of people misinterpreted his statement as referring to a performance-enhancing steroids.

    But I heard his statement live and I perfectly understood him to be referring to an anti-inflammatory steroid, and McEnroe later clarified his earlier statement.

    People need to know that there are many steroids out there that are not performance-enhancing anabolic steroids.

    Many medical creams that treat skin rashes contain steroids. Medicine my toddlers take for their asthma contain steroids. But these are not anabolic steroids. They treat inflammation.

    People familiar with medicine understand this. Only those who are not tend to jump to false conclusions.
     
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    Nadal is not the only one with big muscles. In fact, there are guys like Monfils that have even bigger guns. Stosur, Serena, Roddick, Dementieva, Hewitt, Verdasco, Safina all are very muscular.
    But just because you don't have muscles, doesn't mean you're not doping.
    Guys like Simon or Davydenko, who can play for hours without getting tired and without having a great phisique are just as suspicious as Rafa is.
     
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    Do you think that Nadal would have continued working with the good doctor after the big scandal? Because the doctor got caught and Nadal continued being the same.
    You have zero information or proof that he got caught with something during Madrid or any other tournament. Maybe you had a dream. But if he was caught with something, I don't understand why would he been wasting time defending Gasquet and criticising the ATP now for covering Agassi, when supposedly they coverd on him too. It doesn't make sense.
    I remember that before Rafa's announcement regarding Wimbledon, Roddick gave an interview and said that he has tendinitis too and he's used with playing while having some pain. Probably Roddick's tendinitis is not the same with Cahill's tendinitis, since one couldn't play with it and one can. So you can't say that Rafa has the same injury that Cahill had because there can be various degrees of this desease. I also remember that during those two matches from the Hurlingham exho, people that were there were saying that Rafa had serious problems with bending his knees.

    But since we won't get anywhere with this, you may continue with your suppositions and I only hope that someday all of you will get tired, although I find it difficult to believe. Seems like you have Nadal's strenght and never get tired. Maybe you're all on drugs.:twisted:
     
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    ninman, here's what we have:

    Agassi admitted he lied, and on more than one occasion. In fact, he seems to actually flaunt it, imo.

    Nadal has one muscular arm and is the same body weight as Federer.

    Gasquet claims he's innocent. I don't know, and can't speculate on that.

    But, maybe that's the difference. I'm not speculating. I'm dealing with cold, hard facts, not wishful thinking. It's irresponsible to smear someone's name without proof...or remorse.

    And for those who call others who judge Agassi hypocritical and in the next breath align themselves with this kind of nonsense,...well.

    Anyway, it's doubtful we'll agree on anything.
     
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    What does Nadal have to do with Agassi? Am I asking what magic pills Mirka gives Fed every morning? What is wrong with you? Rafa is not the one who tested positive this year (that would be Gasquet) and he's not the one who got a test warning for missing a test at RG (that would be Soderling :roll:). He's not the one either investigated for illegal gambling (that would be Davydenko). You don't think tennis has enough problems the way it is? You want to add imaginary ones as well? I think we have enough on our hands right now that we don't need to do that...
     
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    Ninman, Nadal didn't come up at Wimbledon with a "mystery" injury. He had already withdrawn from Queen's because of his knees. Rafa has had problems with his knees for quite a while. There is no parallel whatsoever with whatever happened to Agassi at AO.
    It's really easy to trash somebody's reputation without any basis. Fed took a long time off after USO. He didn't mention any particular injury. Isn't that suspicious? Isn't it just that he needs a clean break before starting doping again? Anyone can start a rumor about anyone. That's easy to do. It's also pointless and cowardly.
     
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    There is so much trash in this post that it's hard to know where to begin!
    About the Spanish list, there is not a single clue or indication of any sort that Nadal was ever on that list. He had never consulted and was not linked in any way to that doctor.
    Rafa did complain a lot about his knees before, during and after the pre-Wimbledon exhos.
    The only one with a suspicion of doping hanging over his head at RG is Soderling because of the missed test.
    Nadal did NOT practise while recovering. That is complete bull. He practised a little before W because he had hopes he would be able to play (but he didn't play at all for 2 weeks after he lost at RG), he didn't play for weeks from the moment he gave up playing W. Get your facts straight because you're downright lying about this.
    It is also complete bull that tendinitis should terminate one's career. Even Roddick testified that it's a problem one can manage. Overuse is the worst enemy of tendinitis though. Roddick has never won 5 tournaments in 5 months including 1 slam 3 masters, 1 500 and 2 other finals. It's the amount of playing that did Rafa in this year but any doctor will tell you one can overcome tendinitis with rest. It is NOT and has never been a career threatening injury.
    About not winning, it takes time to come back after injury (and Rafa contracted a stomach tear probably from trying to spare his knees wile serving). Also Rafa had long title droughts before, especially in the second part of the season, very usual pattern for him. Hum, what tournaments has Fed won between Basel 2008 and Madrid 2009? That's a long title drought. Thanks for letting me know it has everything to do with doping and nothing with bad form.
    You say "Federer has always peaked when he needed to", that would be a damning argument in favor of Fed's doping. How could you possibly always be at your best when you WANT to be unless you dope? This is actually the best argument to exonerate Rafa of any cheating. If he was doping, don't you think he would make sure he is at his peak during RG/W? Of course he would! The fact that the timing for his lowest form of the year was SO disastrous to his ranking and his career in general is the most convincing proof that there was no foulplay involved. Even a simpleton would understand that... but why do I feel that I'm overestimating you already :???:
     
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    Well said. With a dad like his, Andre is lucky he didn't end up as a serial killer!
    I think he managed his life pretty well, considering. Despite the meth, he should be proud of himself for somehow making it through with honors.
    (Wow I almost forgot this was a thread about Agassi with all those rambling rants about Nadal!)
     
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    I'm sick of Andre Agassi and this whole mess he created. He should have just shut up, Safin was right.
     
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    Not as strong as your detestation/obsession with Nadal :roll:
     
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    So instead of hoping that Fed can reverse the trend and start beating Nadal regularly, you'd rather wait and hope that Nadal is accused of doping? You realize how pathetic that sounds?
    Not going to happen though. You're wasting your AND our time.
     
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    While you make some good points even if you have more inside info on the ATP tour than other posters here you still only have rumours and hearsay.There's still no concrete proof that Nadal is doping and as anyone else he's innocent until proven guilty.You may have a strong suspicion that he or the other top players are doping and I personally wouldn't really be surprised if it turn out majority of top players are doping(now more than ever since Agassi shoved how far ATP is willing to go to protect thier star players)it still remains merely a suspecion and not a case backed up by evidence.

    As for the bold part,that argument isn't valid IMO,juicing or not in this time of year Nadal usually isn't biting trophies either way,this(USO series and indoor season)is his by far worst part of the season for various reasons,his performance so far isn't really that much better or worse than what is the norm from him this part of the year.

    The rest arguments I can see your point,I was also shocked to see Nadal pull out of Wimbledon after playing 2 exos and not having his knees taped during FO.
     

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