Andy Murray Lead Tape

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  1. Funbun

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    Despite the fact that he had an early loss in the tournament, I still want to know his lead tape setup. (Yes, I started this thread because of the Djokovic thread, too.)

    Does anybody know Murray's lead placement? Or racquet polarization for that matter?

    No need for discussion on Murray's greatness/terribleness. Just the specs and speculation!
     
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  2. Pioneer

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    From what I've heard he used to use a very high SW (around 400) until about 2006 with tons of lead tape under the bumper but then toned it down a lot because of his injury
     
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    just curious if anyone had this info.
    i know his racket weighs 345g, but im just wondering if hes got lead tape on his racket
     
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  4. aimr75

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    ^ I think the 345g is an older spec due to his injury. There are some recent pics floating around that reads "heavy spec" inside the throat
     
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  5. movdqa

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    He's using a PT57A - very light hairpin, which means that he has to be using lead.
     
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  6. Don't Let It Bounce

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    From the 2009 U.S. Open:
    A.Murray 362 g 32.3 cm 366 kg•cm^2

    Sorry – I didn't write down where I got these specs, but if it wasn't from these boards I was probably led to it by these boards. I just stick this kind of stuff in a spreadsheet whenever I come across a list from a stringer.

    I also didn't write down whether it was strung or not, but the list it came from looks strung (Federer at 364 g, Nadal at 354 g, high balances throughout).
     
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  7. Funbun

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    Thanks, DLIB. However, those specs were actually from the user "art art" here, and he was described as "dodgy" by some members, like not revealing his sources, etc.

    Unfortunately, even if that were true, you can tell from past videos that his technique has actually changed a bit. Comparing now to 2009, he's swinging faster and his forehand's a tad different.

    @aimr75 I actually have no clue about that. We haven't had a recent spec from any TW member (or the Internet, for the matter) since 2009. I believe that the "heavy spec" tapes were actually around the same time Murray had the injury.

    If someone actually managed to snag a recent Murray racquet, that would be awesome.

    That, or have ericsson post the racquet swingweight!
     
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  8. aimr75

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    here is a recent pic

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    ^^^ Actually, that was posted in late 2009 by NikeUp. I assume it was a bit after Murray's injury (later in the year, correct?).

    I have mostly gone by the assumption that his weight stayed around ~345g, in addition to maintaining his swingweight, since in 2010 and after his strokes look relatively identical.
     
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    One of Murray's frames was sold this past summer by a TW member though it's listed on another forum. The weight listed was 324 grams. That may make 345 grams reasonable for strung weight.

    It seems a long way down from the Greg Raven numbers from years ago though.
     
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    ^ ah ok, that guy who got his broken frame from london mentioned it weighed a ton.. would have been good if he weighed it
     
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  12. movdqa

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    Well, it was a claim. He was supposed to post pictures of it but never came through with the goods. In my mind, you can't really feel that much of a difference between a 12 ounce frame and a 13 ounce frame unless you can swing it and you're not going to do that with a broken frame.
     
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    pics were posted eventually

    http://s1231.photobucket.com/profile/marcssparcs

    the guy could have gotten the static weight at least i would have thought
     
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    Hi all, just posted this on another thread somewhere but I had a brief hit with one of Murray's racquets recently.

    Felt heavy and had a VERY head-heavy balance. I weighed it and was shocked to see 355g as felt way heavier than that to me. Played great, very solid, tons of power but difficult to overhit if that makes sense!?

    For the OP it's got two layers of lead under the grommets, running from 10 o'clock round to 2 o'clock. That's a lot of lead so stock frame must be very light - think people have mentioned it's the old pro tour frame but I don't know the specs of that frame. This racquet had the old black and silver butt cap. Paintjob was of YouTek Radical MP, not the Pro which I thought was a bit odd.

    Got pics if anyone wants to see them and I can figure out how to get them up...
     
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    ^ nice, how did you get hold of the frame? If youre not sure about uploading pics you can email them to me and I can upload. aimr75@hotmail.com
     
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    Found myself posting the same thing on two threads now, sorry about that!
    Other thread is here which should now have link to some pics on flikr.

    Frame was donated to a tennis charity here in the UK by Judy Murray - she's one of the patrons of the charity and I know some people there so go to have a quick go and sneeked it off to weigh it! It's signed so couldn't do more than hit a few quick balls with it unfortunately. I'm used to heavy racquets but this felt very different as it was so much more head heavy than I'm used to (PS 85, MGPmid user). My first go with a pro's own frame though.
     
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  17. Funbun

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    That's really cool that you got to weigh in his racquet, he's gone 10 grams heavier haha.

    I'm assuming that his swingweight is around 370, around where Djokovic is at. He has to keep up with the heavier, faster shots on the tour, and be a more aggressive baseliner, and naturally his racquet compensated a bit for that. It makes sense that his racquet is near even-balance; he is a baseliner, after all.

    The PS 85 and MGP mid have relatively low swingweights, so yeah, you definitely will feel that the racquet's really heavy.

    Thanks for sharing!! I'm loving the pics and your lead tape analysis.

    As aimr75 had taken notice: it's a 18X20 string pattern? What in the world? He did use 16X19 in that pic you posted up there, aimr75.
     
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  18. Standstill

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    So are you saying Andy Murray is head heavy? That is so interesting.
     
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    This is a funny comment. Ha. Ha.:neutral:
     
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    Thanks for getting that from P1!

    I expected him to have that much lead tape around there. He's got to be able to match up to Djokovic's style, so why not go high on the SW?
     
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  22. Adidas_Anderson

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    My dear old friend , nice picture :shock:
    give me a call when you are free :)
     
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  23. movdqa

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    Wow! My tgts are leaded up similarly but those have about 1.5 inches more at 3/9 each. My tgts have a sw of 386 strung. Those must be beastly (Berdych-like) to swing.
     
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  24. Rogael Naderer

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    Hello me old matey,

    Credit is of course to P1 for being so open with us fans.

    Murray does seem to have a high SW.

    I often think he should switch his string setup around though; gut mains, poly crosses. It's just better feeling & playing.
     
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    If rec 4.0 guys can play 12+ ounce high swing weight imagine what a pro can wield. I assume most top guys have a high swing weight stick. How else can they hit so hard and consistent against those types of balls and pace.
     
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    Murray's looks to be on the high-side. Federer and Nadal are quite a bit lower, Djokovic too though not as low as Federer and Nadal. Berdych is way up there, somewhere between 390 and 400.

    I hit with the IG Prestige MP (386 SW) for four sets this afternoon. You can do some amazing things on groundstrokes but it really changes what you can do on the serve. I definitely play better with a swingweight of about 360 or lower. But it's fun to play around with the really heavy stuff sometimes.
     
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    Mate,thats your own opinión lol i think he likes his current, although sometimes i think making changes in life can be a positive thing :)
    when should we have a match ;)?
     
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  28. Rogael Naderer

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    Internet slagging match?
     
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  29. Rogael Naderer

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    My pic is better than yours...
     
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  30. PED

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    There is an older pic from a few years back in the P1 archive that shows Wawrinka's TGK uncapped. Looked like he used a similar amount of lead to Andy.

    http://p1tennis.com/media

    Scroll down a bit and it's in the middle of the page
     
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  31. vsbabolat

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    Those Pro Stock frames have to have that much Lead tape on them to achieve the end results desired by the client. Please understand that those frames start out extraordinarily light for customization and matching.
     
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    I agree, I was assuming that the hairpins of Andy's PT and Stan's TGK had a similar starting point weight wise(280g ish)-is that the correct assumption? :)
     
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    you always win :) except on the tennis courts against me haha :)

    I think what ped means that Andy has a simmular setup like Stan the man :)
    It's hard to tell from the picture the amount of lead they have though:oops:
     
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  34. Rogael Naderer

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    From what I can see that is around 6-8 grams at 12 (assuming it's one layer).

    I don't know what other lead he uses in the handle etc but we have seen rom other threads that he is around 355 grams static weight (or was at one point).
     
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  35. Adidas_Anderson

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    any one have full specs on stan the mans prestige pro?
     
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  36. movdqa

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    Are you talking about Murray? The P1 picture looks to be lead from 3 to 9 and I read somewhere that it's double-layer. Most of the Prestige Pro Stocks that I have have two layers from 10 to 2 so it would not surprise me at all that Murray has two layers from 9 to 3. The high swing weight makes sense given his strokes.

    Berdych often hits a kind of brush-up stroke when he's out of position or doesn't have time to setup for one of his crushing groundstrokes. The high swingweight allows you to just brush up on the ball and still get some pace on the ball while ensuring that the ball stays in the court.
     
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  37. PED

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    His TGK was 31cm balance and 359g static: both unstrung.
     
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  38. Rogael Naderer

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    I love my racquet for this reason!
     
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  39. PED

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    ^^Can't be sure from the angle but it appears to go to the upper band of the 3/9 area on Murray, certainly deeper than just 10/2
     
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  40. Rogael Naderer

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    Edited now, I read movdqa's post wrong.
     
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  41. Adidas_Anderson

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    Yeah Right, Yeah Right, Yeah Right :)
    Don't think Berdych is the same as your though LOL~ You should know that Tennis-Holic @_@



    Thanks for Sharing the specs on Stan the Man!!!
     
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