Andy Murray Pro Stock Numbers???

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  1. Darkhors

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    I know that his racquet is a PT57A 16x19, but is there a specific code for his racket? I was thinking of trying to pick up one or two because I love the PT630, but I always wished they had made a 16x19 pattern. Anyway, just looking for a code or if anyone know how to tell if it's a genuine andy murray stick, that would be great as well. Also, what is the going price for a pro stock Andy Murray frame?

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  2. aimr75

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    Well the mold and the 16x19 pattern is a good indicator, but you'd need to take the pallet off to check if the pt code is not in the throat. Given the rarity, they would be big bucks. Wouldn't surprise me if they were to sell for at least $600 or more
     
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  3. aimr75

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    Forgot actually, his frames have custom grips molded onto the frame. No pallets
     
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  4. movdqa

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    I've only ever seen one Andy Murray frame for sale for around $800. It is indeed a very rare frame. You might want to try a tgk231.3 - those should be a little easier to get.
     
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  5. Marcus2137

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    The TGK (pro stock) version of the Prestige Pro is going to the the closest you can get to Murray's racket, unless you find Murray rackets to buy. The Prestige Pro version was the TGK 238.5, the newer paint job is labeled the TGT 293.1 (I believe.) Both are 16x19 string patterns, like Murrays. The mold has slight differences (like how far down the grommet channel extends), but the overall molds are basically the same, with main differences being the materials and construction method (layup) used for Murray's racket.

    I have both the retail and TGK (pro stock) versions and I am selling the retail version because I just can't get it close to play the same as the pro stock (even after matching weight, balance, swingweight).

    But without finding a Murray PT57a 16x19 (I don't know of any other pro using this drill pattern in the PT57a), the TGK 238.5 is absolutely the closest you will get (basically same mold, same string pattern), in my opinion.

    To answer your original question, I believe it would be very difficult to find out Murray's "Pro Stock Numbers", since it's so rare to see his rackets for sale. But as I said, I don't believe any other pro is using the PT57a with 16x19 pattern. So if you found a confirmed pt57a that was 16x19, with a Radical paint job; I'd be pretty confident that it's Murray's racket.
     
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  6. lidoazndiabloboi

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    Well doesnt Murrays frames have either "Andy Murray, A. Murray or Murray" printed inside the throat.
     
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  7. Bhagi Katbamna

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    Yes. No code that is visible, though I am sure that Head does have the code somewhere.
     
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  8. movdqa

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    I just checked the ad for Murray's frame from last summer and the ad said that his name and the model are on the throat (embedded, not on a sticker).
     
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  9. movdqa

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    Vidda indicated that one of the tgk231s had flex similar to the PT57A so the overall feel might be closest there.
     
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    The code is on the inside, its PT57a
     
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    Forum member "Suppawat" used to own one and it had the pt code in the throat:

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  12. ART ART

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    Tommy Haas use(d) the same PT57a 16x19.
     
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  13. aimr75

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    Yeah, this would be a better bet than a 238.5. But the OP should just go for an 18x20 pt57a
     
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    ??? When was that??
    I must have slept through it...
     
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  15. aimr75

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    I wondered this too.. but looks like a 16x19 in this pic.. but hard to say what it is

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  16. Cup8489

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    whoa, that is 16x19..
     
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  17. movdqa

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    Power pads too. Can someone check the drill pattern? Anyone have a better picture?
     
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    ART is correct, it does look like the PT57A. The angle is a little weird, however, if you look closely at the CAPs endings, the channel looks like the 57A. Great find!
     
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    Haas is now using an 18x20 racket.
     
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  20. ART ART

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    Are you saying that I am correct ??? :shock::shock::shock:
    ...

    More, that racket was a request from Haas to Head, and was a little hard for him to get it... Head is not giving this "special PT57a" to everyone... hard to tell why, but it's some kind of exclusive prodution just only for Murray.

    Last week in German ATP, "some guy" have asked more info about this racket to someone close to Haas, but no info was given free... just some words: "it's a special racket only made for him and the Scotish..." :twisted:

    But this one as a lot of lead under the grommets from 3 to 9(last time "some guy checked" ), and I guess silicone inside the handle.
     
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  21. Bhagi Katbamna

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    On some of them. The one that is in the museum in Cincinnati has no code, just his name.
     
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  22. movdqa

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    Looks like Haas has been through a lot of racquets. I see that there are three of his 238.1s for sale, that he has used the 238.4 and a couple of Dunlops. His frames seem to be around 360 to 370 grams.

    I think that Murray's frame would be fun to have but they are so rare, especially in personally used form, that I think that it would be impossible to get a pair of them. WRT Haas, it seems that there are several of his older frames still available.

    I wonder if FabFed has tried to get a Murray frame.
     
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  23. movdqa

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    > On some of them. The one that is in the museum in
    > Cincinnati has no code, just his name.

    Etched or sticker?
     
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    Too bad FabFed doesn't know how to measure swingweight or balance.




    ...I think.
     
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  25. Bhagi Katbamna

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    It looks like it is printed on(not a sticker). It looks like it is part of the paintjob.
     
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  26. dr325i

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    Always give credit when credit is due...
     
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    Murrya grommets

    Could they be using some Prestige pro gommets on the PT57A 16x19 or is it technically impossible?
     
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    i think Haas was just testing out 16x19 during the Australian season.

    He went back to the PT57A in 2009. I think his Dunlop molds were an attempt to copy the PT, because he was a PT user in the mid 90's when he first started on tour.
     
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  29. vsbabolat

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    Of course!!!! That is what he is using in His PT57A 16x19.
     
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    Thanks VsBabolat
    Could someone explain clearly the differences in the mold between the PPro and the Pt57a?
    Longer channel apparently on the Pt57a on the last grommets, drilling obviously 18x10 vs 16x19
     
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  31. Darkhors

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    Thanks everyone for the info. So the two I should be looking at are the TGK 238.5 and the 231.3, is that correct? And of course, maybe I should give the PT57A a try. I wish I knew people that had them to test. Anyone willing to part with one for a week or two? :???:

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  32. niktub

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    have you been thinking about a volkl c10 pro?
     
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  33. ART ART

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    Very very good racket, just add 4 - 8grams at the top, and it will play like a dream.

    This is one of the best rackets ever made to the retail market.
     
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  34. Darkhors

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    No, I really like my Prestige but I hit with the PT280 way back in high school for short stint and like it, just not the 18x20. Maybe now the 18x20 wouldn't be so bad, but if I could get the same layup as that with a 16x19, to me that would be the best. We'll see. I'll keep my eyes open for a PT57A and maybe pick it up and try it out.

    Thanks everyone.

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    wrong post
     
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  36. movdqa

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    > But we have to agree that Fed at 25 in today's draw will not
    > have the same success. May be 40% of what he had at that
    > time only he can have if he was 25 in this era.

    People respond to the level of competition that they have at the time. You can't really compare the Fed at 25 in the current environment to what Fed would be like if he was 25 in the current environment. Fed could have upped his fitness level in response to the competitive environment - just as Murray upped his game with Lendl. Federer said in a post-match interview earlier last year that his girls were a bigger priority - that happens when you get older and have a family.
     
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  37. klementine

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    So Andy's frame is hard to find......

    How hard would it be to find Sloane Stephens' old frame? A PrestigeMid with a 16x19 pattern?

    That's the racquet I would love to have. Should have jumped on that opportunity when TW had them ~3 years ago. Too bad they were sold out in 30min.
     
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  38. PaulC

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    I'm no PT57a or PPro expert, but got a friend who got a PT57a...

    From my observation, the main diff is the beam width, PT57a is around 19-20mm, the Prestige Pro is slightly thicker, around 21-21.5mm.

    I maybe wrong though, experts on this subject feel free to weight in or correct.
     
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  39. vsbabolat

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    The PT10 is 19mm.

    The beam width looks the same to me on a PT57A and MG/YT/IG Prestige Pro.
     
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  40. PaulC

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    Strange... my friend's PT57A is almost exactly the same as his Trisys PT280 (China batch) which was supposed to be 20mm when I compared them side by side...

    Whereas, the Prestige Pro that I got is slightly thicker at 21mm or 21.5mm...

    -- Donno whether his PT57 is a fake or not, which I heard about that a lot.

    The PT10 (Prestige mids paintjob) is definitely thinner at 19mm though.
     
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    The cap grommets andy murray uses on his pt57a seems to fit perfectly, if the pt57a is 20mm the grommet would be hangimg out .5mm on each side
     
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  42. vsbabolat

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    I'm holding a Pro Tour 280 and IG Prestige Pro they are the exact same beam width.
     
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