Andy murray thinks that Federer could still be number 1 if......

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  1. timnz

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    There were more fast court tournaments....he comments on how slow the couts have got these days..

    "If there was more tournaments on these courts, I think he could definitely be No. 1 in the world for the next few years," Murray told reporters. "It really suits his game well. Just so many of the courts are so slow now. It’s nice for us to get a change-up like here. Some of the tournaments are so slow it's tough against so many guys that are moving well and serving big. It’s become tougher and tougher to stay at the top of the game longer."

    http://www.tennisworldusa.org/ATP--...-be-no-1-on-faster-surfaces-articolo3654.html
     
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  2. BULLZ1LLA2.0

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    Roland Garros is faster now than it ever has been (and so are the balls). Federer still gets breadsticked by Nadal in the 4th set of RG final. But he does beat Djokovic there....
     
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    He's so right that...

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  4. aprilfool

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    And Federer bagels Nadal on the real fast courts at the WTF.

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    WTF courts are not fast at all, it's just that they are less spin/bounce friendly, so Rafa's groundstrokes to Fed's backhand are like sitters, free for him to rip...unless my sarcasm meter is off.
     
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    The ATP,the organisers of the big events,the sponsors and so on want the top guys to be in the semis,finals of all the big events.
    And if the surfaces would all be faster then a lot of things would be different and the chance that the top guys would be upset early in the tournaments is higher.
    The faster the surface,the smaller the margins are between the top guys and the lower ranked players with a good serve.It`s so easily for someone like Djokovic or Nadal who play well but get no rhythm against a big server to lose like 7-6 7-6 on a quick court.
    Sure Federer would have his fair share of big tournament wins but on the other hand we wouldn`t see every time Federer,Nadal,Djokovic or Murray in the semis or finals of the big events.
     
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  7. BULLZ1LLA2.0

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    Very true that.
     
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    French Open organizers are making it as easy as possible for big servers. Roland Garros has never been faster than 2011. Nadal still won, but you can see it no longer plays to his advantage.
     
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    Djokovic beat Federer in Dubai last year. Fed has not been dominating all fast tournaments he plays
     
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    No one is saying that Federer would win every tournament on a fast court but in my opinion the margins between the players would be a lot smaller if the courts play fast.U could still see a Djokovic,Federer or Nadal in the later stages of the big events but not all of them in every tournament.
    Also the scores will be a lot closer.For instance Djokovic won a pretty close match vs Stakhovsky in Dubai 7-6 6-3.On a slower surface the score probably would have been 6-3 6-1.
    The same can be said about Federer`s matches.He beat Del Potro on a slower surface pretty easily in Melbourne but in Dubai it was 7-6 7-6.
    I prefer the faster surfaces as the matches are more competitive in the earlier rounds between the top players and the lower ranked and we don`t see so many blowouts.
     
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    Timnz, I already made a thread on this - once again we are on the same wavelength. :)
     
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  13. DjokovicForTheWin

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    Imagine if all courts were fast low bouncing requiring a player to rely very much on pure tennis skills. Would Nadal win any titles ever?
     
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    This. I'm sick of seeing no competitive matches for the big 3 until the quarters and semis.. I used to like watching all the rounds, but nowadays I know there's no point because theyre going to come through without issue 9 times out of 10.
     
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    I think inside the service boxes should be slower court, and deep in the court and near the corners should be faster, rewarding more aggressive play.
     
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  16. MDCCLXXVI

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    Its interesting isn't it.

    As hard as tennis is (consistency of performance), its interesting to see the same players emerge every time. I don't know another sport where that occurs.
     
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  17. GasquetGOAT

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    Has Nadal won any indoor tournaments recently? I guess the answer is no, maybe one or two when he gets the once in a millenium lucky draw like USO 10.
     
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  18. GasquetGOAT

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    I think they should be ban the serve entirely and always start the point with a slice, a lefty backhand slice specifically.
     
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    Tennis elbow factory.

    Instead, they should have to do a 2hbh slice from below the hip.
     
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    So a player would have more success if most of the courts suited their game? Interesting theory.
     
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    No the theory is, if the courts didn't slow down, a clay court specialist would have just being a clay court specialist. Nothing less nothing more.:)
     
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    Yep

    Yes, that is what nadal and djokovic are currently experiencing. They are benefiting from this ridiculous policy of excessive slowness. And the lack of balance between surface speeds during the season.
     
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  23. TMF

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    Murray is absolutely correct. If the condition was faster and lower bounce Fed would have achieved even more. Fed is a better shot makers and would dictate the rally from the baseline. He gets more free point on his serve, the serve & fh comes in handy. His bh becomes a weapon, better striking zone and the slice is more effective.

    OTOH, faster and lower bounce Nadal wouldn't have achieved as much. No way he has 10 slams by now.
     
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  24. monfed

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    Yea, put Ralph in the 90s and he'd be another Kuerten/Muster or at best Courier.
     
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    I think Federer could be No 1 again if he won more (important) tournaments.
     
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    I am sure Federer would love that Nadal belongs to the 90´s...
     
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    But

    Yeah - but the problem is that the important tournaments have slowed their surfaces down so much to be completely in the slow court player sweet spot.
     
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    Nadal would have won as many French Opens but no Wimbledons and no US Opens and maybe 1 Australian Open. He wouldn't have won any where as many hard court Masters 1000's either. He is a great player but he has benefited hugely by the slow down court policy of the last decade.
     
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    Also, the bounce on the backhand side (Ad court) should be lower than forehand side.

    :)
     
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    I would bouch for that....it would be hilarious when Fedal plays.
     
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    Not going to disagree with you but I also feel that Federer is his own worst enemy in some of these matches.

    Regardless of court speed Rogers game is good enough to beat anybody. Rogers biggest problem is mental. He does not convert break points well enough, seems to loose focus, and sometimes appears to lack that "hunger" for winning a match.

    This is all natural of course as he is older now and has accomplished so much I am sure its hard to stay motivated all the time. Problem is it only takes a few minutes to give one of these younger hungrier players enough hope to come back and steal a match (we all saw it happen last year at Wimbledon against Tsonga).
     
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  32. monfed

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    Nailed it.
     
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    Come on Roger, it's time to do the RG Wimbly double!!!!
     
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    ^ I'd like a USO with that
     
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  36. devila

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    murray just is hurting because djoker isn't desperate to prove he could beat him and federina anywhere. unlike the clowns like roddick, nalby and davydenko, who enjoyed slower hardcourts but had air where their brains were supposed to be.
     
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    meh, Fed is not getting to #1 any time soon. Djokovic is playing well on any type of surface. Murray is just bs here.
     
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  38. celoft

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    Stating the obvious.
     
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  39. laughingbuddha

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    Tournaments originally slowed down courts for more revenue because fans wanted longer rallies. In a few years, tournaments will slowly start to speed up the courts because fans want varied styles. It is a cycle.
     
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  40. FedererUberAlles

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    Just caught the highlights for the final. Fastest court I've seen in years. The ball just FLIES.

    Some of the points look like they're straight out of a video game
     
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    What I hear a bit of is "The reason I lost to Federer is because..."
     
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    Yeah, now i hear fans want Federer to win, so they have to speed up the courts during the semis and finals.

    Slow courts when Fred plays Berdych and Soderling, fast when he plays Raphla and Djesus.
     
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  43. TennisLovaLova

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    Murray said yesterday that the IW court where he lost was slower than clay.
    Anyone who knows even just a little about tennis understands there's something wrong going on.
    With faster courts, fed would always win
     
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  44. Hitman

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    I would say fasters courts only. Low bouncing courts are the keys at the moment. He performs quite well regardless of speed if the bounce is not too high. Paris Indoors and WTF were slow, but low bouncing, and Federer played great there.
     
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    I think it's because of the consistency that's required that it the top players always in the semis and finals. The other players just lack the consistency.
     
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  46. CDestroyer

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    Court speed isn't his problem.

    Rather the matter in between his ears.

    And the lack of an aggressive style.
     
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  47. Evan77

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    oh man, with faster courts Fed would always win, whatever, too funny. some of you Fed fans are so delusional. it's beyond me. :)
     
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    Here's something to think about, how well did the top 5-10 do at this tournament? That will tell you if there would be any real difference.



     
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  49. TMF

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    True. Low bounce enhance his game more than the speed. But the faster surface is still better for him due to his shot making ability. Cinci., WTF and all indoors he's the best. One of the reason why Davydenko hates to play Federer but comfortable with Nadal.

    Too bad they slow down the court + increase the bounce.
     
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    Please leave thread, return with brain.
     
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