Andy Murray to support Scottish independence...

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  1. Fedex

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    The ancient Britons were a pagan Celtic/Basque derived race encompasing the whole of the British Isles - England, Ireland, Scotland and Wales and subdivided over time resulting in territories England and Wales as Britons, and Ireland and Scotland as Britons, Gaels and Picts.
    After the Romans left Britain, the Saxons invaded pushing the Britons West and North.
    The Jute/Anglo Saxons, a confederation of Germanic tribes, were foreign invaders who eventually formed England and changed the language from Brythonic to German which became English and most place names were changed form their original British to Anglo Saxon eg Anglia, Essex, Sussex etc.
    The indigenous language and culture were obliterated in most parts of England but even to this day the English, as do the Irish, Scots and Welsh, derive most of their gene pool from early pre Saxon Britons.
    Like it or not folks, from a historical, political and racial perspective, we are British through and through.
    In the story of King Arthur, note he was not an Anglo Saxon English king.
    King Arthur was a Briton, king of the Britons fighting invading Anglo Saxon hordes.
     
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  2. Goosehead

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    no way will Canada will merge with usa..as if they arnt huge enough countries by themselves..Canada's population has just gone past 35 million..cant see why they wouldn't want to stay as they are..maybe if Canada had only a couple of million, but not 35m.
     
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  3. Goosehead

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    around 30-35% of scot eggs want independance I think so there is a long gap to be made up if its gonna happen..16-17yr old can vote which is diffenrent from the usual 18+ in elections...

    the feeble English will sit back, and fart, and view the spectacle..vamos.
     
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    The JFK quote: "My fellow Americans, ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country" springs to mind.

    -SF
     
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  6. boris becker 1

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    Most opinion polls say only 30% for 60% against 10 % undecided
     
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    Apparently JFK was fond of fairytales. Eisenhower was much more pragmatic, and almost foresaw what was coming in this scathing warning:

    "In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist."

    http://coursesa.matrix.msu.edu/~hst306/documents/indust.html
     
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    Looks like the opposite could well be true. Murray speaks on the subject for the first time:

    Perhaps surprisingly, Murray does not have strong views on Scottish independence. “You need to figure out what’s best for the country and then come to an opinion,” he says. “I want to read more about the issue. I don’t think you should judge the thing on emotion, but on what is best economically for Scotland. You don’t want to come to a snap decision and then see the country go t1ts up. I am proud to be Scottish, but I am also proud to be British. I don’t think there is any contradiction in that.”
     
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  9. wilson_nxt

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    Sports and politics don't mix.
    Most English folk are quite happy for Scotland to go it alone!
     
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  10. Bartelby

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    Sports and politics are inextricably mixed.

    Most sports stadia are built, even in America, as a result of political lobbying.

    If Scotland gets political independence it will still be tied up to the other nations with which it shares a land mass and a European identity.

    And Mr Murray will still choose to live in England and only visit his hotel in Dunblane.
     
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    My passport tells me that I am a citizen of The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Thus, England, Wales and Scotland constitute Great Britain. Being "British" means being a citizen of one of these countries which make up Great Britain. Scotland gaining its independence does not necessarily mean that Scotish citizens will lose their British identity.

    And Murray could still represent Great Britain and be regarded as being British after Scottish independence.

    In reality, the probability of Scotland voting for independence is proabably less than 50/50.
     
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    That's interesting, Fedex. "German became English". I know the similarities, and i guess I remember that German is a very old language, but the way you say "German became English" sorta blows my mind.

    Was that a very short time-span ? German has 3 genders for objects while English thankfully just uses a neuter for objects.
     
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  13. boris becker 1

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    In recent opinion polls 28% in favour of Scottish independence. About 55% against. Parliament, the prime minister etc has allowed a referendum, a democratic process etc.

    In Catalonia 58% for independence 20% against. 1.5 million people marching on sep 11 for independence. The PP in Madrid refuse to recognize referendum, generals threatening to send in tanks like 1930's again, etc.
    Totally different situations please don't compare.
     
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