Andy Murray's Head MG

Discussion in 'Pros' Racquets and Gear' started by ericsson, Jul 19, 2009.

  1. PED

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    I was trying to be kind-sorry if it came across as being a jerk :)

    That racquet is most likely not an MG Radical, Head would love for you to believe that it is and that's the reason that it's painted like a Radical. I mentioned that you are new to the boards as this discussion has gone on since Australian Open of 2008.
     
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    Not at all, I did not think for a second that you were being rude. I just did not understand what me being new to the forums had to do with the discussion. That's why I referred to your comment as 'enigmatic'. I see what you meant now, and it is indeed relevant. Perhaps the original poster has an established reputation as someone who regularly gets his hands on rackets that belonged to ATP pros. If so, my doubts are misguided. Otherwise, I'd posit that a frame that looks like MG Radical, down to 'radical' model name on it, and weights close to stock MG Radical (+ lead and CAP grommets) is likely to be, well, MG Radical. Or at least it certainly is NOT a Prestige. Whether or not it may have belonged to Murray at some point is another question.

    I also don't doubt that some pros get custom frames from the manufacturers, put PJs on old models to make them look like new ones, etc. More power to them. It makes for an interesting reading, but I really don't care what frames pros use. By definition, their frames/mods are extremely unlikely to work for my level of skill.

    Peace. I'm not trying to cast doubt on anyone's knowledge. Just contributing to the discusion.
     
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  3. PED

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    Ericsson has proven to be a very reliable source of info on the pro sticks, so I tend to take his word as gospel in this area. Plus, there are many on these boards (VS Babolat comes to mind) who are experts in all matters dealing with Head. The general consensus seems to be that it's a Prestige Pro, albeit modded to Andy's specs.

    For the longest times (until Jan 08) Murray did play with the I Radical-right down to the old fashioned PJ. Whatever he's using now, Andy does a pretty good job with it. He should be moving over to the Youtek PJ soon. FWIW, check out Greg Raven's site below, he's got some great info on Pro sticks.

    http://www.hdtennis.com/grs/pro_racquet_specs.html
     
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    It is obvious PJ, NOT Radical (from simple observation):
    - has 4 loops on the throat
    - has 16x19 string pattern
    - a CAP is an easy mod though

    Head MG Pro is 16x19 but 3 loops. The MP is 18x20 with 4 loops... So, add the CAP to that, could be a Prestige Pro with Radical Colors. Could be anything else under the paint.

    If it is indeed the Prestige Pro, the question remains -- WHY would they paint it with the Radical colors???
     
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  5. Eiffel59

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    Maybe because after Agassi retirement they need someone to further promote the Radicals.... :-?
     
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  6. dr325i

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    Cilic.........
     
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  7. benxten

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    hmm so is andy using a prestige pro that weighs less than the retail version stock since ericsson said the racket only weighs 345 grams which is about 12.16 oz with a decent amount of lead tape still on it? or am i crazy to think it could be a custom radical mp with 16x19 pattern that has been leaded up instead?
     
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    I also have two of the TGK238.1 rackets that are Microgel Prestige MP BUT weigh (unleaded) a lot less than the retail MG Prestige MP...

    Could be anything under that Radical paint...

    The frames that Pros have access to MAY have little in common with the PJ on them...
     
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  9. PED

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    To answer the question of why paint it like a Rad, the Rad has traditionally been the big seller in the performance market for Head-like a Pure Drive for Bab.

    I like Cilic's game but I doubt he's going to sell many racquets in the US. Murray, on the other hand has a high profile and the #3 rank needed to move some product for Head. From the heavy discounts from local retailers on the new speed products, I don't get the feel that Djoko is doing the same though ;)

    On the question of the weight of the Pro's, both mine have a bit of lead in the Head and an OG but weigh in at 345 dead on so whatever Murray's using is not too far off stock specs but I don't know about the balance. I'd love to see the RDC on that one.
     
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  10. PED

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    Pro has 4 loops, I just double checked.
     
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  11. Blade0324

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    LIke Dr325i mentioned it really could be about anything under the paint. I don't think it's unlikely that it's not a MG Pro just because it weighs less than a retail one stock even though it has a lot of lead in the hoop. Like I said before the couple MG Pro's I have from the pro room in Austria are 345g with silicon in handle and pretty significant lead in the hoop. Head makes these sticks much lighter off the production line to allow for ideal customization depending on the pro so that the static weight does not get too high. Like PED said I would love to see Murray stick on the RDC. Also I really want to know about mine on an RDC just no access to one.
     
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  12. ztennis002

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    Thats so cool how it says Andy Murray thanks for taking the time to give us pics
     
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  13. benxten

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    hmm wish i could have that type of room for customization. i want a lighter mg prestige pro like around 11.5 oz that is super headlight so i can lead it up at 3 9 and 12 oclock position.
     
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    MG Rad Pro has 3 loops
    MG Prestige Pro has 4 loops.

    From my observation, the Rad Pro is a different head shape (100 sq) from the MP and prestige mp/pro. The only indication that Murray is using a Prestige Pro is the string pattern, 16x19. Both MP's are 18x20.

    Also, is there really any difference between the Prestige and a CAPed Radical? Looks wise, they are identical.
     
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  15. lidoazndiabloboi

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    also, what kind of grip does murray use? leather, synthetic? thanks
     
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    Synthetic Karakal Super grip with Tourna overgrip.
     
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  17. lidoazndiabloboi

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    thanks ericsson
     
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    TheSexPistol, great name, but **** view on Murray.
     
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  19. PED

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    Ericcson, did you ever have time to check the balance on the Murray stick? Thanks
     
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  20. ericsson

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    Not yet Ped, its on hold, as soon i have more time i sure will do.
     
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  21. PED

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    No problem Ericsson, just curious,not trying to be irritating :)
     
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  22. Steve F.

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    You're not the only one who's curious! ;)

    Look forward to it ericsson, whenever you find the time.
     
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  23. PED

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    It should prove to be interesting-one hears all these stories about a 370 or 380 SW, it would have to have quite a bit of lead in the head with only a 345 static weight.
     
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  24. dincuss

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    sorry for this ericsson, but could you take a picture of the butt cap?

    and if you could take it in comparison with another head butt cap.
     
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  25. JediMindTrick

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    The Radical has a thin bridge while the Prestige doesn't. Anyway, Murray's racquet can't be a Radical MP because it's 16x19 and it doesn't have a thin bridge. It can't be a Radical Pro because it has 4 loops in the throat (compared to 3 loops on the Radical Pro) and it doesn't have a thin bridge. Obviously it's a Prestige Pro.
     
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  26. ericsson

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    I will do as soon i find the time...
     
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    Well let me tell you something, it aint a prestige pro eighter...
     
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    that's what I expected...
    It is probably something like TGK but custom...
     
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  29. AlpineCadet

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    Hi Ericsson, great find! What exactly doesn't make it a Prestige Pro :confused:
     
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    Thank you so much:D
     
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    Wouldn't a Prestige Pro be the closest mold a consumer can get? And if it's not a Prestige Pro than is it the TGK version? Because the pictures i've seen on this board comparing Andy's stick to a stock Prestige Pro look awfully similar...
     
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    I will post a pic soon of the rail where the CAP grommets go in, in Andy's racket it's a different channel and shape then on the retail MGP pro (kudos to VSB here!)
    I will also demo a MGP pro soon and compare the racket to point out it's not a MGP pro, (it's most likely a PT57 custom mold)
     
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    You're welcome.

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  34. dincuss

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    According to Nate Ferguson, Andys but cap and grip should be wider that the original Head shape. It seems a little wider in the photos, but in real life is it much wider?

    EDIT: if anyone is wondering where I found this out
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eql8Jnpa9Bs
    @ 7:55
     
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  35. PED

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    Nice work ericcson and thanks for all the effort :)
     
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  36. JediMindTrick

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    A PT57 with a 16x19 pattern, sounds like a dream racquet!
     
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  37. PED

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    I agree, I 'd love to have one. I guess all I need to do is become the #2 ranked player in the world ;)
     
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    Ericsson did you check the balance on that thing? I'm not talking about precise specs but if my memory serves me right Murray played with an even/close to even balance frame with a swingweight close to 400.

    Is he still playing with a close to even balance stick?
     
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  39. komodo16

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    sorry for the noob question but what exactly does PT57 mold mean?
     
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    PT57 is the name of a racket.
     
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  41. komodo16

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    simple enough
     
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    when Murray was using the I.Radical, was that a PJ? The string pattern was 18x20.
     
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    still havent measuare the balance?
     
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    Yes it was. It was a PT57A with an i.Radical pj.
     
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  45. PED

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    The PT 57 mold is available only to the higher ranked Pro players. It comes in two versions: A (softer) and E(firmer). They tend to be painted in whatever the current Head model is and according to stature. Murray's the flagship player so they've got him him the Radical Pro PJ. Soderling uses the PT57 as well and his is also a Radical. Gilles Simon's PT is painted like a Microgel MP.

    Both Soderling and Murray just "switched" to a "new" racquet in the last month. I wonder how the new Youtek paint is affecting their PT's ;)

    They come up for sale here occasionally and are by all accounts, AWESOME.

    As much as I'd love to use one, I think the 350g SW is too much for me as I prefer the 328-330 range myself.

    Don't feel bad about the noob question-I asked it myself last year ;)

    If you search for PT57 under the racquet section or the Pro equipment section, you'll find a decent amount of threads with some really solid info.
     
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    replying to the underlined line:
    Actually, if you're lucky, you can obtain the "unmodified" ones that come VERY light and the SW is nowhere near 350.
    The two I have weigh about 337g strung (no OG or dampener) and have 31.8 cm ballance.
     
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  47. PED

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    I made the comments above on SW because I'd never seen anyone on here with a PT with an SW of less than 350 or so, but as I've seen since, one can easily tweek the SW. :)
     
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  48. beneszilo

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    HI ericsson!
    Please check the balance out if you have some time.
    thanks
     
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    sure thing, i'm a little busy but when i found the time i will do.
    Stay tuned.
     
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    So...anyone of you played with a PT57 made for top ATP players? Which would be the closest stick from Tennis Warehouse? The prestige Pro?

    I wander if Murray, after he switched to Youtek Radical Pro, is still using a PT57 stick, because his Youtek really has another form than the PT57.

    It's 100sq inches, not 98, and it's 16x19.

    2day I watched Andy Murray's match with Del Potro, but I forgot to look if he has cap grommets like Microgel Prestige Pro has, pr his racquet is without grommets, like the stock Youtek Radical Pro...maybe somebody allready knows this
     

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