Andy Roddick Frame :)

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  1. BobFL

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    Here are the specs:

    Balance point: 13inches or 330mm
    Weight: 12.1oz or 345grams
    Strung with: (m) PHT and (x) NG at 65lbs
    Lead tape starts at 7th cross and ends between 16th and 17th. Total length: exactly 120mm with overlapping of 25mm between 11th and 13th cross
    Grip size: 4 1/2
    PJ: Cortex

    I am really happy that I finally got it. Used to have a lot of PTs, TGKs and H22 but this is just something different :) C'mon A-Rod!!! We want you back man! :)

    Bob
     
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    Nice. Got any pics of it? I always figured it would be heavier...
     
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    Does it have cortex or not?
     
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  4. BobFL

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    No no, it is pj-ed...
     
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    I will certainly post some photos. My wife took her nice little Cannon and all I have at this time is Nokia cell phone which is not good enough :) I will up them around 5PM ET. Yeah man, I was expecting a bit more mass as well but who am I to comment on that ;)
     
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    Bob thats awesome man. So the racquet is 13 points headlight..or did I miscalculate?

    I'm not surprised it is so light..I am just amazed at the string tension in such a stiff racquet.
     
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    Is it as stiff as a regular pure drive?
     
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    Nice get! Are you going to hit with it or do you want to keep it "mint" (it's used already)?

    For those who are wondering, 13 inches = 4 points HL
    EDIT: I forgot it's an extended racquet so make that 6 points HL
     
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  9. BobFL

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    Hi Mr. PP :)

    Hmmmm according to my math it is 5 pts hl?
    AFAIK:
    - 305mm is 12pts and
    - 315mm is 9pts hl

    According to this, 330mm would be 5pts hl on extended frame?
     
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  10. [d]ragon

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    Bob, it should be 6 points HL
    The middle point of a 27.5 racquet is 13.75
    minus 13= .75 inches
    1 inch = 8 points so
    .75 x 8= 6 points HL
     
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    Oh trust me, I will definitely hit with it :D It is mint now so I will certainly ignore low balls ;)

    Thanks for clarification! I really don't know how to calculate hl-ness for extended frame...

    @dincuss: I don't know YET :)
     
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    Thanks again for the math because math doesn't lie! :)
     
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    Oh ok..that makes sense to me on the balance. glad you are going to hit with it, that makes me jealous to be honest, but it's really cool..haha.
     
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    Very nice catch BobFL ... and it's the older PJ.
    BTW-- It looks as if you live on a golf-course? :)

    Please let us know how the racquet plays...

    I remember reading that you actually own/played with the consumer version... is that correct?

    Should be interesting comparing the two.
     
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    Yes, it is the cortex pj just like I said in my original post ;) Frankly speaking I do not like this "new wave" paint jobs with the "rainbow" letters that can be found on Youtek Prestiges, BLXs, GTs...

    I do have PDR GT Standard BUT my dear friend 'dgoran' has swirlys and pre-cortex PDs and he is cloning this setup so we can test drive them tomorrow (weather permitting)...
     
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    Once again amazing catch...
    Just as I suspected for a long time I believe that we confirmed it (based on a quick beam measurements) that its swirly mold doe to its 1mm thicker beam in the throat area.

    Pure Drive Team (non-swirly) has 1 mm thinner throat thus in my experiments in the past it plays softer than swirly.

    Cant wait till tomorrow.

    Like Bob said top 10 for last 10 yrs with 345gr racket GASP ;).
     
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    Pretty sweet stuff
     
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    Nice! So he uses thinner mains now and I do not see that little overlapping? Btw, both chambers have something injected. One of them has some black stuff that appears to be silicone and the other one has some semi-stiff foam...
    And this is absolutely irrelevant - I like Cortex pj much more :cool:
     
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    OK, I think I can answer your question now :)
    Compared to the Extended Swirly that I used to have Andy's frame felt A LOT softer. Btw, I expected it to play much stiffer and it was surprisingly soft and comfy. I have also tried Cortex Roddick and compared to that racquet this one played like a wet noodle and it swung easier if this makes any sense :)

    I don't think I am competent enough to review this beauty hence I am leaving that to my knowledgeable and eloquent friend dgoran :)
     
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    nice pics....great post!
     
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    Thanks man! :)
     
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    Poor Dgoran, he is going to be so bummed when he finds an almost unattainable racquet that sounds like a fusion of his Pro Tours and Pure Drives. :)
     
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    Hahahhahahahha this is a good one!!!! :lol:
     
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    LOL it is quite attainable all I have to do is get in top 10 real quick...I am working on it...;)

    All kidding aside it was little bit difficult to compare the sticks since it had very soft natural gut PHT string bed installed while mine had BBO minus silicone. The only thing that it would be softer is full gut job additionally it had silicone and you all know that changes EVERYTHING. Case in point, try stock LM Racial and try my silicone-d LM Radical and you have 2 different sticks...

    It is my opinion still that this racket is a Pure Drive + (Swirly) which is stiffer than 2001 PD + team with silicone and lead and nat gut to add some comfort. Time to hunt down some PD Team + Swirly's and get to modding (PHT+Gut + Lead + Silicone) to have a true comparison.

    That being said we both were quite scared to really give it a true whack since I was freaked out that I will drop the racket and damage it somehow, (like PowerPlayer did the other day lol) BUT the racket is true beauty and its a true testament that you don't need anything over 12 oz to return those HEAVY, HEAVY local park heroes serves like many here on TT will lead you to believe.

    All in all this racket is an amazing find at any price point since its nearly impossible to get it on **** and similar sites (unlike h22 pt57 and rest of the clones...) in this paint job combo especially. Not to mention this rackets history which really kick started Babolat's popularity in US after seemingly unknown junior, 1 yr after switching to PD + , had a break through year.

    To copy and paste and save some typing READ THIS:

    The background of the Roddick's Babolat Pure Drive + is that Benhabiles’s player was an American junior almost no one had heard of, Andy Roddick. “I didn’t know much about him,” concedes Brownlee, who at the time was working for Prince. Back then, Roddick didn’t have a big reputation; in 1999, he lost in the first round of 2 of the junior grand slam tournaments. Volkl was the only other cooperation willing to give Roddick a racket, but he decided on Babolat because of his coach’s relationship with Appino.

    A year later everything changed. Roddick won three out of the four boys’ majors and became the No. 1 junior in the world. Other juniors took notice, especially of his monster serve. Some actually phoned Babolat in France, to see if they too could get “Andy’s racket.” “If he had been out there with a broomstick,” says Rick Macci, who coached Roddick between ages 9 and 14, “I think people would have wanted to try a broomstick.”

    Lastly its only fitting for BobFL, fellow TT-er who is know in our neck of the woods as "Cannon Serve Bob", to obtain a racket that set an official ATP serve speed record as if great serving sticks somehow gravitate towards those who can actually utilize their magic ;)

    -Goran
     
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    Yeah, I really like Roddick too. He's got a great game. I love watching him.

    Plus, he's a cool guy.
     
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  29. Ross K

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    Er, sounds a bit like a PST GT +?!...

    Nice thread.

    R.

    BTW... qsn... what stiffness RA are we talking exactly?
     
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  30. Ross K

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    And another qsn while we're at it... how much lead exactly is it on the hoop?

    Thanks,

    R.
     
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    Hi Ross,

    I don't know about RA but I do know exactly how much lead was installed :)

    Total length is 580mm. Sorry for using SI units. It is more accurate that way because the number is rounded...

    Calc: (4 x 120mm) + (4 x 25mm) = 580mm; 4 x 25mm would be overlapping I mentioned in my original post...
     
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    Great work on both your parts. Just curious, so the silicone in the handle also alters the overall feel of the racquet? I'm using lead weights in the handle currently (14g) and that's working so far but was also considering adding the silicone. If it adds softness, that's not a bad thing in a Bab :)
     
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  33. Ross K

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    Cheers Bob... and... sorry to be a bit of a doof here, but how much are we talking in grams?

    TIA,

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  34. PED

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    Ross, 580mm converts to 22.834 inches. It's quarter inch lead and is 1 gram per 4 inches. So, that works out to be 5.7g of lead :)
     
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    Haha, no worries :)

    Just move 2 decimal places to the left :) That would be 5.8 grams. This is not 100% accurate but it is good enough imho.

    Or you can do it like this for more accuracy:

    580 x 0.03937 / 4 = 5.7 grams

    YAVW :)
     
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    Thanks PED :) I didn't see your post before I started to type :)
     
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    No problem, I'm just excited to have a thread where someone actually hits with a pro stick :) thanks for that.
     
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    Of course, I mean what else would I do with it? :)
     
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    what everyone else who has one seems to do, take pictures and hang it in a display and never actually touch it.
     
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    Those are called ****** sorry i meant to say "collectors" BobFL is actually a player.
     
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    AMEN! :):twisted:
     
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  42. Hmm...if it was Federer's racquet and BreakPoint had gotten ahold of it, I can think of a few things he would want to do with it that didn't involve tennis.
     
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    Bob and PED,

    Thanks v/much for lead amounts info earlier.... I feel an experiment coming on! :roll:

    R.
     
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    I just wish this thread had come out about a month ago and I could have gone to a similar setup for my apd plus. It would have saved me a month of frustration ;)

    I'm now at 341g and 32.7cm and it works great.
     
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    Great thread, thanks. This confirms what Courier said back when Roddick was just hitting the big time, that Roddick's racquet felt very light compared to the racquets that Courier was used to playing with. The usual local park hero ******** on this board claimed Courier was paid off by Babolat to say this, since they need a 14 oz frame to handle the heat they face, Andy's must be a similar weight.
     
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    You are all very welcome :)

    A few people asked me to open the butt cap and take a photo so here it is:

    [​IMG]
     
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    Bob, the left looks like silicone, any idea what the stuff on the right is?

    I see the 330 # as well on the cap. Isn't he up to almost 500 PD's used currently?
     
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    Yeah, it is a silicone on the left. Hmmm, I am not sure about the right chamber but it looks like some kind of a foam? As far as I know he is very close to 600 :)
     
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  49. LetsGoRoddick

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    These are great pics. I have been lookin at making my PDRGT+ look like Andy's paintjob. So far I have applied tournagrip(blue, XL) and PHT, but I have some RPM blast which I may use soon, because I don't like the PHT feel anymore.

    Thanks for the references and additional info.
     
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  50. Ross K

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    What's a month of frustration now you're happily blasting hitting partners off the court, right?! :grin: ...

    Another qsn I'm afraid H :roll: ... What's your grip/handle set up there on your APDGT+?

    TIA,

    R.
     
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