Andy Roddick's Consistency Was Underrated

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  1. McEnroeisanartist

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    I think a lot of people around here are quick to call Roddick a pigeon of Federer, but I admire Roddick's consistency for being a one time Grand Slam Champion.

    He has the eighth longest consecutive weeks in the top 25.

    He won at least one title in a year for 12 consecutive years which is 4th best all time.
     
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    Roddick is a great example of a player who suffered from a specific head-to-head having an arguably obvious detrimental effect on his whole career.

    He was able to be consistent and dominant over the field to the extent that he was able to meet Federer on many occasions in Major finals, but the match-up was atrocious for him, so unfortunate or not, in practical terms it probably resulted in him winning several less Majors than he might have done otherwise. The problem for him is he didn't have a massive haul of already won Majors to fall back on for it to be not so glaringly obvious how a specific h2h really poked him up the bum.
     
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    Agreed -- his faultless consistency at bending over and taking it sure was underrated.
     
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  4. chandu612

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    Lol...do the same for Ferrer and compare that with Roddick
     
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  5. chandu612

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    Consistently dominate the field and meet Federer???
    How many times did he meet Federer and in that how many times in Grandslams?
    For a guy who was consistent for sooo long and met Fed only few times, he sure would have won many more titles, if he had it in him.
     
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    Not quite sure what to make of this post.

    He met Federer in 4 finals and won none, and also met him in important Slam matches before finals and could just never get it done. Federer was a nightmare match-up for him and yet he did OKish against Nadal and quite well against Djokovic. Match-ups are a reality of sport so I don't see there being much contentious about the content of my post other than you probably are foolish enough to think I'm suggesting that Roddick displayed levels of dominance on par with the likes of Nadal or Djokovic, which simply isn't what I'm inferring at all.

    Take the post for what it's actually worth (which for the record is more than nothing).
     
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  7. mike danny

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    Not many rivalries involved players meeting 8 times in majors
     
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    Roddick was fairly consistant. His career was hurt alot by Federer.
     
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    The top ten in december 2004.

    1. Federer
    2. Roddick
    3. Hewitt
    4. Safin
    5. Moya
    6. Henman
    7. Coria
    8. Agassi
    9. Nalbandian
    10. Gaudio

    You cannot look at Andy Roddick's career without mentioning Roger Federer. So barring the GOAT standing in Andy's way, he actually had a sterling career.

    In 2004 Federer lost to one player in the 2004 year end top ten once and that was Henman, if Federer didn't exist..Hewitt, Agassi, Safin and Roddick would have taken the game by the scruff in 2004 before the rise of Nadal in 2005 but these players are not good enough to dominate outright, Agassi would have in his prime.

    Federer's consistency and quality was just too good for the Roddick's of this world and I apologize to Roddick fans for that statement.

    It was Federer's era barring Nadal then later Djokovic from 2004-2007 nobody else would stand in his way.
     
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    another number showing his underrated consistency: 11 consecutive years reaching at least a slam QF for roddick.

    who did better than him in the open era ?
    i have:
    • 14: connors [1972-1985], becker [1984-1997]
    • 13: lendl [1980-1992], sampras [1990-2002]
    • 11: edberg [1984-1994], roddick [2001-2011], federer [2003-2013] (active streak)

    feel free to help me completing this list if needed !
     
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    I'm not sure how underrated it was, actually - a lot of the time I hear Roddick's consistency being a major point of praise, and it's even more impressive considering the arguable talent gap between him and a lot of his contemporaries.
     
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    This exactly.

    It's not underrated, that's about all he was is consistent.

    Not to say literally thats all he was, but you get the point. He was more consistent than he was say great, or flashy
     
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    Exactly. Both 2004 and 2005 were decent years. Federer hewitt and roddick finished in the top 4 for 2 cons years. there was almost tge same top 10 in 2005 adding the rise of Nadal
     
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    He is underrated I totally agree.

    Think of it, the year of his retirement, 2012 he still won 2 titles, better than Federer in 2013.

    Roddick is a Mister!
     
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    Roddick is totally underrated. He finished in the top 10 for 9 consecutive years, made 5 slam finals and won one, hardly a bad record. The sad thing is, whatever he accomplished will always be overshadowed by Federer because of the extremely poor H2H between the 2. Roddick last moment at greatness was at Wimbledon 2009, after he lost that final, he was injured very often and his game/ranking/consistency took a huge drop before he decided to call it quits at the 2012 US Open.

    I've been watching tennis for almost 20 years now, and I don't think I can recall a player that suffered so much at the hands of another player to the point that it defined they're career....beside Roddick. Had Roddick put his hands on the 2004 Wimbledon trophy instead of Federer, tennis would be a lot more different now. I still believe Roddick had more than a slam in him, had he won Wimbledon that year, I think he could of ended his career with maybe 6 slams and a few more weeks as #1, just because of the added confidence.
     
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    i think Becker has a 12 year streak from 85-96 (85wimb w, 86 wimb w, 87 rg sf, 88 wimb f, 89 wimb&uso w, 90 wimb f, 91 ao w, 92 wimb qf, 93 wimb sf, 94 wimb sf, 95 wimb f, 96 ao w.
     
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    oH ididnt see that u have becker even better placed!!!!!
     
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    Underrated consistency, but OVER-Rated Talent. I especially love how people want to give Roddick 100 slams in the absence of Federer. Like Roddick was so good, he was a clear cut winner with the adscence of another despite winning only ONE slam his entire career

    I can understand giving Fed more slams without Nadal, Agassi more slams without Sampras, Nadal more slams without Nole. But not a 1 time slam winner more slams without Federer. Who's to say Roddick would have have seriously struggled under the pressure on the big stage playing someone else?


    Roddick's problem was his hole ridden game and bad attitude.
     
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    That, we will never know. But here's a thought. Roddick played in 5 Slam finals and in only one of them did he play someone other than Federer and that one was the one he won!
     
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    Watching the El Aynaoui vs Roddick Quarter final match right now. About a third of the way through the 5th set the winner/UE count stans at;

    El Aynaoui:
    - Winners: 76
    - Errors: 27

    Roddick:
    - Winners: 75
    - Errors: 22

    Insane level of tennis, but yes Roddick had no talent...
     
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    These arguments make no sense. ARod went deep (QF) in slams 19x. This includes 5 Finals and 5 additional SFs. A vast majority of these were losses to RF. He also won 5 Master Series out of 9 finals (and was runner-up to RF 2x).

    Andy was in the top 3 for ~3 yrs with time spent at #1. He spent most of a decade in the top 10. The only other player to exceed this in recent times has been RF (Nadal has another year to go to top ARod in this respect). Andy most certainly had the chops to be a multi-slam winner

    Not that all that many holes in his game. If there were, his resume would not be as good as it was. We have seen other players with huge serves not fare as well as ARod. As for attitude, Serena, JMac and other top players have been much worse in this respect.
     
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    Ignore 90clays he's the biggest Andy Roddick hater here. Everyone ignores whatever comes out of that dude's mouth when in comes to Andy Roddick.
     
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    I agree but I think he only wins one or two slams after at most and ends his career as a 2 to 4 slam winner. Roddick 2004 Wimbledon Finals is my favorite version of Roddick especially in the resilience he showed in the second set coming down from 4-0 to 4-4.
     
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    Consistency is useless when you have more holes in your game than a pin cushion that another can EXPLOIT endlessly.

    Roddick should have worked more on his approach and net game to back up that Serve/FH combo. He would have been a "consistent champion" instead of just a consistent player back then
     
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    andy did ok. like somebody said, slam champion, #1, bunch of finals...

    i think retooling his game made him more consistent, but maybe a touch less dangerous as well. overall, though, HOF career no question, and a pretty good life for himself, eh?
     
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    Roddick would have had a great career, but he had to face the GOAT time and time again.
     
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    Yes, it is underrated.
     
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    Unlucky to play in the Federa.

    Maybe a little like Roche: unlucky to play in the late Laverera.
     
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    His consistency at losing W finals is certainly underrated
     
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    Even 33 year old Federer nearly took out the best player in the world playing in his words "His best slam final ever". So Roddick had it pretty tough...
     
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    So is his consistency on grass in general, but I suppose I shouldn't surprised at your dismissiveness considering I can only think of one other poster that takes a dimmer view of the modern game than you.

    Agreed. Roddick was never going to be mistaken for Chang in terms of agility, but he was certainly a decent mover, with his top-end speed being pretty impressive to boot.
     
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    He wasn't graceful but he was a good athlete and got to ball most of the time.
     
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    andy had the serve of a really big guy without the major movement and consistency issues that most really big guys present. kind of sounds like backhanded praise but it's really a pretty formidable combination.
     
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    Had the forehand of a bigger guy too at times...
     
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    How does he compare with Roscoe Tanner, another big server from the US?

    of course, they played different technology and so it is extremely difficult to make an accurate comparative.

    I´d make a quick conclusion in that Roddick was more consistent at the baseline and Roscoe more adept to the net.
     
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    Does anyone know what happened to his forehand in the last half of his career?

    It was big early on, but then sort of went away.
     
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    Coaching changes, I guess he was told to go in a different direction? Even when he was 19 he had a big forehand. Part of it is I think he tried to become a bit more of a grinder because he thought that way he could beat Federer - like Nadal did.

    The thing is it was when he unleashed his forehand that he had his success in his later career. Like in Dubai in 2008 when he beat Nadal and Djokovic. Or Miami 2010 when he over powered Nadal etc...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=f9qTIcn4PeE#t=99

    That point there shows how massive he could hit it. The match in general was just monster hitting,
     
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    I could never get into Roddick - too much of a hole.
     
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    i think that video was when brad gilbert was still coaching him. i remember gilbert saying on tv a couple years ago, if he were coaching him again he would get him to gain more weight and play that power game he did before
     
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    Yeah I believe he split Gilbert after the 2004 season - I think Andy was disgruntled by the way he lost to Federer 3x that season and the beating Hewitt gave him at the YEC.

    But yeah his game was always best when he was imposing his power. His court positioning used to suck but he had so much power he'd get the ball by even good movers.
     
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    Too bad. It looks like a good solid shot, and occasional big weapon.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=iTaOps03LF0#t=99


    Did he ever hit a backhand winner?
     
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    Id say it was often a big weapon.

    He's hit a lot of good backhand passing shot winners, if you go back to the beginning of the video I sent there were a few.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTMHgIvVvUA

    Also that one ;)

    This one is quite nice too...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kk1NPQDL-7M

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXEGezNtO7M

    He hit a really good backhand slice pass against Federer in Montreal in 2003 IIRC. But yeah he didn't really hit many off the ground in rallies however if you gave him a target he had a decent passing shot off that wing. Otherwise his backhand was just a rally shot.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u7D3iQxlUo

    He hits some huge backhands down the line in the first 1 minute 30 seconds of this video. None of which are winners but they set up easy volleys for him.

    And yes I realize you were jesting with your comment :lol:
     
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    He just didn't have the fluidity of movement of Federer. If it was boxing he was the equivalent of a slugger with his massive serve versus a Federer who was a more skilled boxer. Watching Federer play Roddick was sort of watching Mohammad Ali versus George Foreman when Ali used the rope a dope. Federer would block the big Roddick serve into play and survive Roddick's power. Eventually Roddick gives him an opening and Federer knocks Roddick out.

    But I'll give Roddick this, he had one of the best serves I've seen. A big serve makes up for technical weaknesses.

    I thought when Roddick had Federer on the run and let's say Federer did his defensive lacrosse forehand to float the ball back, Roddick often just let the ball float deep on the baseline instead of taking it out of the air and hitting a strong volley. Instead he hits a topspin baseline drive and you know at this point Federer was almost certainly going to win the point.

    Imo a Jimmy Connors would beat Roddick most of the time also because he could return the Roddick serve better than average (no one imo can return the Roddick serve consistently well) and hold his serve regularly. Nadal just did not handle the Roddick serve as well as Federer.
     
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    I've seen commentators recently compare Tsonga and Roddick's movement, they get to most balls but don't look good doing it.

    Your description is apt, although even in matches where Roddick played well from all areas of the court Federer still got him. Even at this age we can see that Federer is very hard to resist in slam finals. Federer holds serve nearly as well as Roddick does and is the best player I've ever seen at neutralizing big serves. Federer used to score more aces than most players he faced because of his ability to get balls into court.

    Connors would beat Roddick most of the time because he's a better player ;). Connors didn't have a great serve though, certainly nowhere near Federer's. Roddick would have his chances on the return. Roddick actually leads the h2h with Djokovic with both being outside their best periods for most of the meetings mind you. Djokovic has many of the same weapons that Connors had. So I could see Roddick getting Connors a few times.
     
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    He was a great player who, at his best, could beat almost everybody on tour except for the players who weren't bothered by his serve speed.
    I really believe that if Roddick was at his prime TODAY, his final tally would include more majors/grandslams.
     
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    You're right but Connors shots were flatter and I think generally more penetrating, relatively speaking. Also Connors would force the play more at the net.
     
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    Indeed. Djokovic has the superior serve. Their games are more suited to the era they took part in.
     
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    Watching the Wimbledon 2009 Final, the quality of this match is often underrated. Some great play from both.
     
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    It wasn't just serve speed. Roddick doesn't get enough credit for how good his finesse serves were. He had every serve at his disposal. In 2009, he didn't even go for his 145+ bombs and started mixing it up more and still won 91% of his service games.

    IMO, by far the worst thing about Roddick's game was that horrific return of serve. It held him back a lot. Let's be honest, Federer's 50 aces in the 2009 Wimbledon final had more to do with Roddick's 3rd rate returning as opposed to Federer's serve quality. It was kinda frustrating seeing Roddick not being able to even react to 110 mph serves.
     
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